27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[nomi007]

why indian are showing again and again this picture
who is he?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

why indian are showing again and again this picture
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[Windjammer]

why indian are showing again and again this picture
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I posted a thread on him awhile back, he also performed on sea view a few years ago and when the clash took place between PAF and IAF in February, he was in US doing some course.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/shahbaz-of-sherdil.493512/

 

[BATMAN]

Yes the only thing holding PAF back in Feb were prevailing rules of engagement.
Do you have some info you can share about possible future engagements..

India will never open an armed conflict, unless they have Pakistani PM and cabinet in their pocket.
In current time, war is fought on multi dimensions and influencing decision makers of opponent to the point that their decision making process is delayed for few seconds is more than enough.
Current cabinet and PM can do all the speeches but what matters is how they withheld permission to shoot 9 Indian SU and didn't permited PAF to decimate their airbases in followup air dominance. WHY?
Every missile firing was subjected to the permission of new regime, links of current regime with IRGC are well known. Plenty of pictures can be found of PM and his cabinet meeting greeting IRGC, clearly shows indirect link with RAW.
If any one failed to see this open treason, than he's surely under the spell of wicked witch.

 

[nomi007]

I posted a thread on him awhile back, he also performed on sea view a few years ago and when the clash took place between PAF and IAF in February, he was in US doing some course.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/shahbaz-of-sherdil.493512/

Million dollar answer bro thanks

 

[loanranger]

India will never open an armed conflict, unless they have Pakistani PM and cabinet in their pocket.
In current time, war is fought on multi dimensions and influencing decision makers of opponent to the point that their decision making process is delayed for few seconds is more than enough.
Current cabinet and PM can do all the speeches but what matters is how they withheld permission to shoot 9 Indian SU and didn't permited PAF to decimate their airbases in followup air dominance. WHY?
Every missile firing was subjected to the permission of new regime, links of current regime with IRGC are well known. Plenty of pictures can be found of PM and his cabinet meeting greeting IRGC, clearly shows indirect link with RAW.
If any one failed to see this open treason, than he's surely under the spell of wicked witch.

You are openly calling the PM of Pakistan a traitor. Looks like we are all under this wicked witches spell except you please save us.

 

[Talon]

 

[BATMAN]

You are openly calling the PM of Pakistan a traitor. Looks like we are all under this wicked witches spell except you please save us.

He's Pakistani PM not because he passed CSS exam or was a scientist in atomic energy or have fought wars for Pakistan.
He's the one who openly accuse Pak army on international forums, without presenting evidence.
He has openly stated that he wanted to help modi win elections.
His voters in Punjab are same, who were allies of Zardari, in exchange he helped Zardari in Sindh.
He has even handed over economy to Zardari's team.
So save your threats for some one else.
Here every past PM was called traitor, may be you are forgetting the candid slogans of Imran Khan''modi ka jo yar he.....''

 

[Bratva]

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Personally do you believe we shot down SU-30 ? Because so far No evidence has emerged for SU-30 killshot

 

[HawkEye27]

Personally do you believe we shot down SU-30 ? Because so far No evidence has emerged for SU-30 killshot

Do you expect us to release the HUD video, Radar feed and EW Signatures that confirmed PAF’s claim.

why don’t we ask counter questions?

1. Why Su-30 left the fight if alive?

2. Where is the debri of other 4 AMRAAMs that Su30 dodged

3. Where are the pictures of AMRAAM crash site? No bcs that crash site had pieces of Su30 with it

 

[Bratva]

Do you expect us to release the HUD video, Radar feed and EW Signatures that confirmed PAF’s claim.

why don’t we ask counter questions?

1. Why Su-30 left the fight if alive?

2. Where is the debri of other 4 AMRAAMs that Su30 dodged

3. Where are the pictures of AMRAAM crash site? No bcs that crash site had pieces of Su30 with it

These 3 confirms that Radar blip disappeared from the scopes which is not enough to confirm a kill. Kaiser Tufail answered all your questions. And Btw A similar claim was made during Afghan war where PAF confirmed a Soviet SU-22 kill through HUD and other electronic data which later turned out to be incorrect as the Aircraft was managed to crash land back in Afghanistan.

 

[Riz]

Personally do you believe we shot down SU-30 ? Because so far No evidence has emerged for SU-30 killshot

Check your last SU-30 accident.. Nice way to write off SU-30 from inventory..

 

[Safriz]

Personally do you believe we shot down SU-30 ? Because so far No evidence has emerged for SU-30 killshot

Compared to PAF own pilots and radar crew, you are a nobody.
If they say the kill was made then their statement has a lot more weight than insignificant keyboard warrior like you.
Are t you the same guy who had been claiming that the entire ERIEYE fleet was destroyed by terrorists? Only to be proven wrong after do many years.

 

[loanranger]

Personally do you believe we shot down SU-30 ? Because so far No evidence has emerged for SU-30 killshot

I know this point bothers you. That we claimed Su30 but no evidence. But look we have explicitly claimed it in Mujhaideen e Aflak aswell as other instances. We could have also claimed that we ahot their helicopter down if we wanted to lie. No one including India would have contradicted us as it would help them save face. So I choose to believe PAF has far greater credibility and nothing to hide. There is another fringe possibility that the Su30 managed to return to base as it was not compromise by the missile or it deployed a decoy. Did you know PAF has decoys in its inventory. Such as this
https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/ale50
Maybe Indians fired a missile from an Su30 and said it was Abhinandan just to create confusion and think they scored a kill. When acctually our pilot had employed the countermeasure above to evade.
Highly unlikely any missile was fired from Indian side though. I am just being creative.

 

[Bratva]

Compared to PAF own pilots and radar crew, you are a nobody.
If they say the kill was made then their statement has a lot more weight than insignificant keyboard warrior like you.
Are t you the same guy who had been claiming that the entire ERIEYE fleet was destroyed by terrorists? Only to be proven wrong after do many years.

You have a habit of Making lot of rubbish claims. Kindly quote where I said this.? From No Erieye destroyed to 1 destroyed, 2 badly damaged. PAF was force to admit down the years about the cover-up.

PAF Pilots and radar crew are not infallible. Their claims are not infallible. If you believe in their infallibility then sure we can Believe PAF pilots and radar crew.

I know this point bothers you. That we claimed Su30 but no evidence. But look we have explicitly claimed it in Mujhaideen e Aflak aswell as other instances. We could have also claimed that we ahot their helicopter down if we wanted to lie. No one including India would have contradicted us as it would help them save face. So I choose to believe PAF has far greater credibility and nothing to hide. There is another fringe possibility that the Su30 managed to return to base as it was not compromise by the missile or it deployed a decoy. Did you know PAF has decoys in its inventory. Such as this
https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/ale50
Maybe Indians fired a missile from an Su30 and said it was Abhinandan just to create confusion and think they scored a kill. When acctually our pilot had employed the countermeasure above to evade.
Highly unlikely any missile was fired from Indian side though. I am just being creative.

Lets not get carried away. Pakistan was not cleared for AN/ALE-50 Decoy system and PAF never purchased it. Notifications from American side are enough indication what Pakistan purchased with F-16.

Explicit or Implicit claims will remain a claim until claim as you yourself said that SU-30 might have performed evasive maneuvers and at such a distance which is 70 KM + distance, A chaff cloud and SU-30 disappearing into mountain range to hide itself will obviously make the radar blip disappear or it crash landed back to airbase.

Hence relying solely on HUD and electronic Data isn't a fool proof way to claim something.