27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Gandhi G in da house]

The only proof you will accept is when an AMRAMM goes up your A$$ the way it is going up Ganesh’s A$$. No you should not laugh but cry on your own stupidity and wishful thinking.

As for the lessons learnt, PAF games every scenario possible and their professionalism is obvious. On the other hand, the IAF response coming from your chiefs was we will be better because we will import Rafales. In the past it was the Su33s. and they barely got off the ground last time. No country should sell weapons to India as you forces give a bad name to them. You used an Israeli SAM to a Russian chopper. Your Israeli Spice bombs were way off target. You lost two Russian jet. IAF will do the same tp Rafales.

Your incoherent rabid anti hindu ranting only tells me that I touched a nerve there. Learning lessons is what makes you stronger. My advice is for your own good.

No you should think why you have been beaten by a country of size of UP of your country...why a smaller & weaker neighbor always stand and challenges your power....after analyzing ...you should cry hard

It would have been worth analysing if this smaller country were able to take Kashmir from India or were able to prevent itself from being split into two by India. But, downing of one vintage Mig 21 doesn't merit such analysis.

 

[Ultima Thule]

One of those several AMRAAMs your F-16s fired but were dodged by the IAF

Hahaha how can your vedic mighty raptor of the East evade/dodge AMRAAM with home on jam capabilities and has capabilities of maneuverability/agility of 40-50 Gs whereas all fighter jets of the world can sustain 10-11 Gs at max @Gandhi G in da house

[QUOTE="Gandhi G in da house, post: 11815352, member: 33897"]1. Yes, India missed on 26th. Either deliberately or by mistake. Doesn't matter.
2. Yes, PAF got the better of the IAF on the next day. And yes, IAF shot down its own heli. Incompetence on the day by the IAF. Can't deny that.

However,

3. On 26th Feb, IAF came much further into Pak territory than PAF did into Indian territory the next day. IAF in fact cross the IB in Pak while the PAF didnt.

4. IAF was not challenged at all on 26th Feb while PAF was challenged on 27th Feb by the IAF which led to the dogfight and Abhi's jet being downed.

5. The dogfight on Feb 27, by most accounts involved only 8 IAF jets vs 24 PAF jets, a ratio of 1:3. Out of those 8 IAF jets, 4 were vintage Mig 21s. That day PAF caught IAF by surprise with its most latest F 16s and JF 17s in its inventory. This won't happen every time. In fact in a future conflict, the numerical superiority is likely to be in favour of India because of the difference in sizes of the two air forces.

I am not suggesting that PAF has nothing to celebrate for what happened on 27th, they do, but you too need to learn your lessons from 26th Feb and prepare for future conflicts when the numerical ratio will not be the same as on 27th and Mig 21s will most likely not be involved again.



Am i supposed to laugh ?

This isn't proof.[/QUOTE]
In Indian version only we send only 12 jets to attack (6 jf17,6 mirages)in iok and unchallenged my foot you're (IAF) claiming you stayed 21 minutes in pakistani airspace how can it be possible,first decide yourself whether you intrude in Pakistani airspace or not,first your Vedic IAF said that we intrude deep in pakistani airspace but within few days your mighty Vedic IAF change its statement and told we didn't intrude in Pakistani airspace but instead we uses standoff precision glide BOMBS (spice-2000) so tell me which statement of IAF is true [USER=12221]@Gandhi G in da house[/USER]

 

[SIPRA]

Hahaha how can your vedic mighty raptor of the East evade/dodge AMRAAM with home on jam capabilities and has capabilities of maneuverability/agility of 40-50 Gs whereas all fighter jets of the world can sustain 10-11 Gs at max @Ghareeb_Da_Baal


In Indian version only we send only 12 jets to attack (6 jf17,6 mirages)in iok and unchallenged my foot you're (IAF) claiming you stayed 21 minutes in pakistani airspace how can it be possible,first decide yourself whether you intrude in Pakistani airspace or not,first your Vedic IAF said that we intrude deep in pakistani airspace but within few days your mighty Vedic IAF change its statement and told we didn't intrude in Pakistani airspace but instead we uses standoff precision glide BOMBS (spice-2000) so tell me which statement of IAF is true @Ghareeb_Da_Baal

They will keep on changing their stories, in order to overcome their utter humiliation, both on Feb 26 and 27.

 

[PakSword]

And you don't have a shred of solid evidence for shooting down our f16 either,and don't talk about those crappy image by IAF after Pentagon confirmed that none of our f16 went missing i will make these kind of image better than IAF because i am a software developer/graphic designer in USA @Ghareeb_Da_Baal

Hahaha how can your vedic mighty raptor of the East evade/dodge AMRAAM with home on jam capabilities and has capabilities of maneuverability/agility of 40-50 Gs whereas all fighter jets of the world can sustain 10-11 Gs at max @Ghareeb_Da_Baal


In Indian version only we send only 12 jets to attack (6 jf17,6 mirages)in iok and unchallenged my foot you're (IAF) claiming you stayed 21 minutes in pakistani airspace how can it be possible,first decide yourself whether you intrude in Pakistani airspace or not,first your Vedic IAF said that we intrude deep in pakistani airspace but within few days your mighty Vedic IAF change its statement and told we didn't intrude in Pakistani airspace but instead we uses standoff precision glide BOMBS (spice-2000) so tell me which statement of IAF is true @Ghareeb_Da_Baal

Ghareeb_Da_Baal ne tumhara kiya bigara hai bhai?

 

[NA71]

sti

Your incoherent rabid anti hindu ranting only tells me that I touched a nerve there. Learning lessons is what makes you stronger. My advice is for your own good.



It would have been worth analysing if this smaller country were able to take Kashmir from India or were able to prevent itself from being split into two by India. But, downing of one vintage Mig 21 doesn't merit such analysis.

still sheer arrogance ....you can only do it by exploiting proxies....

still shame for you if smaller is trying to snatch some thing from you...and you can not be able to tackle. just ask your self...why did you send Vintage M21? that was arrogance huhhh....the other side slapped on your face.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Ghareeb_Da_Baal ne tumhara kiya bigara hai bhai?

Keun bhai aap ko pasand nahi aya kia sir

 

[Suff Shikan]

And certain Indian soldiers grabbed them out of thin air.

 

[PakSword]

Keun bhai aap ko pasand nahi aya kia sir

Yaar aap quote kisi ko kar rahay ho tag kisi aur ko kar rahay ho... Loll

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yaar aap quote kisi ko kar rahay ho tag kisi aur ko kar rahay ho... Loll

Yaar mein aik dam sahi quote aur tag ker raha hoon @Gandhi G in da house ko

 

[ziaulislam]

1. Yes, India missed on 26th. Either deliberately or by mistake. Doesn't matter.
2. Yes, PAF got the better of the IAF on the next day. And yes, IAF shot down its own heli. Incompetence on the day by the IAF. Can't deny that.

However,

3. On 26th Feb, IAF came much further into Pak territory than PAF did into Indian territory the next day. IAF in fact cross the IB in Pak while the PAF didnt.

4. IAF was not challenged at all on 26th Feb while PAF was challenged on 27th Feb by the IAF which led to the dogfight and Abhi's jet being downed.

5. The dogfight on Feb 27, by most accounts involved only 8 IAF jets vs 24 PAF jets, a ratio of 1:3. Out of those 8 IAF jets, 4 were vintage Mig 21s. That day PAF caught IAF by surprise with its most latest F 16s and JF 17s in its inventory. This won't happen every time. In fact in a future conflict, the numerical superiority is likely to be in favour of India because of the difference in sizes of the two air forces.

I am not suggesting that PAF has nothing to celebrate for what happened on 27th, they do, but you too need to learn your lessons from 26th Feb and prepare for future conflicts when the numerical ratio will not be the same as on 27th and Mig 21s will most likely not be involved again.



Am i supposed to laugh ?

This isn't proof.

1. Yes, India missed on 26th. Either deliberately or by mistake. Doesn't matter.
hold it there..per IAF, IAF didnt miss, so they are lying..that is biggest scandle in this whole event
3. you mean 5km moving in territory has any importance? balakot is 49km from LOC
5. well, if no.1 is true this holds no value as IAF is lying but isnt that incompetence..how come IAF had such a poor response

 

[PakSword]

Yaar mein aik dam sahi quote aur tag ker raha hoon @Ghareeb_Da_Baal ko

Usually you reply to, and quote the same person in your posts.

Here you were replying to Gandhi gi in the house and quoting ghareeb da Baal.

 

[ziaulislam]

so you think a 5 times less powerful force successful downing a jet and responding to strikes stating it hit its target, has no reason to celebrate

what should have happened on 27th is clear, IAF should either hold an inquiry why it missed or state it did miss on purpose

on 28th IAF should have retaliated and punished
Pakistan

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Hahaha how can your vedic mighty raptor of the East evade/dodge AMRAAM with home on jam capabilities and has capabilities of maneuverability/agility of 40-50 Gs whereas all fighter jets of the world can sustain 10-11 Gs at max @Ghareeb_Da_Baal

USER=12221]@Ghareeb_Da_Baal[/USER]

Whether the Su-30 had met a violent end, or was damaged and landed back, or the aircrew had been able to kinetically defeat the missile altogether, remains moot. Hard evidence by way of aircraft wreckage or details of aircrew casualties has not been available so far.

This is from an article your own Kaiser Tufail wrote. He seems to have given the answer.

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/06/pulwama-from-bluster-to-whimper.html

Also, the simple fact that the PAF pilot who shot down the Mig 21 received a higher award than the pilot who supposedly downed the MKI shows that it's a fake claim. Why would a pilot who downed the MKI receive a lower award than the pilot who downed a Mig 21 when MKI is a much superior fighter to the Mig 21 ? Lol. This itself makes things clear.

so you think a 5 times less powerful force successful downing a jet and responding to strikes stating it hit its target, has no reason to celebrate

I already said PAf has reason to cel

so you think a 5 times less powerful force successful downing a jet and responding to strikes stating it hit its target, has no reason to celebrate

what should have happened on 27th is clear, IAF should either hold an inquiry why it missed or state it did miss on purpose

on 28th IAF should have retaliated and punished
Pakistan

I didn't say PAF has nothing to celebrate. I in fact said the opposite.

 

[syedmunib]

Also, the simple fact that the PAF pilot who shot down the Mig 21 received a higher award than the pilot who supposedly downed the MKI shows that it's a fake claim. Why would a pilot who downed the MKI receive a lower award than the pilot who downed a Mig 21 when MKI is a much superior fighter to the Mig 21 ? Lol. This itself makes things clear.



I already said PAf has reason to cel


I didn't say PAF has nothing to celebrate. I in fact said the opposite.

Norman Ali Khan was the overall mission commander in the fighter aircrafts and he shot down the Mig21. Hence the higher award.

Hassan was under his command.

 

[Blueskiez 2001]

I belive that PAF shot down a SU-30.

Why PAF do not show irevocable evidence is so strange. They showed the evidance to Alan Warnes so why not release it?

The only way PAF can prove it is by showing hard evidence ie. suits / equipment from the pilot - and if they don´t then this "mystery" of SU-30 will not be solved period.

PAF could affcourse "don´t give a damn" since the Indian Airforce know whether they lost a SU-30 or not - and that is actually what really matters.

Then the mortals like us can keep on guessing...