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1971 and a bit of alternative history. What if Sheik Mujib became PM of Pakistan

I'd like to get a few draws of that stuff you are smokin'. Must be good.

But seriously, please read up history before you post.

Keep banging your head on the wall. Your crap has no takers.

Many reasons:

1. Pakistan is not as reliant on foreign trade as BD is - think of sanctions.

All the trade that you are getting is by letting foreigners abuse Bangladeshi workers. Not just trafe but human export is another reason of quick Bangladesh growth. And no offense but selling your women as maid to foreigners. Secondly your leaders whine in the world for no tariffs or gsp, and trade priorities due to poor population.

2. Pakistan had cover of Afghan war and so West did not impose sanctions anyway.

I know you guys along with your indian compats are masters of propaganda, but this history is not as old and is well written unlike pre 80's where you can easily change anything. Pakistan was under heavy sanctions after 1988 and even worst in 1998.

3. BD would need to get really serious about defence spending - triple the current budget to pay for a program and SAMs/ aircraft to protect the installations from US/ Indian attack.

Your Indian friends won't allow you either to increase defense spending and neither to have any nuke development. And since Bangladesh is cursed geographically by india covering it from almost 80% sides and Myanmar covering from most of the remaining, any activity in Bangladesh is being monitored by India and once they see you working on nukes, they will send their aircraft to destroy any such facility.

Pakistan would be a liability.

They would want to drag BD into their dispute over Kashmir with India.

You want to jeopardize the fastest industrialising large economy in the world for people who have no ethnic connection with BD'shis?

Nobody in Pakistan wants something like Bangladesh to be part of Pakistan. So relax and chill, it is just few umma chumma lover Pakistanis who think like jokers. Pakistan share nada with Bangladesh, geography, history, culture, language, ethnicity and race, problems, ETc etc nothing whatsoever.
 
All the trade that you are getting is by letting foreigners abuse Bangladeshi workers. Not just trafe but human export is another reason of quick Bangladesh growth. And no offense but selling your women as maid to foreigners. Secondly your leaders whine in the world for no tariffs or gsp, and trade priorities due to poor population.


Disagree with all apart from why BD allows maids is beyond me!

Pakistan also has lots of migrant labourers and so not much difference from BD.

Conditions in BD garment factories have increased a lot since Rana Plaza disaster and the workers will have a big pay rise in time for the election next year.

BD leaders do not "whine" for no tariffs or gsp and anyway it is much better than begging IMF/China for loans like Pakistan does.


I know you guys along with your indian compats are masters of propaganda, but this history is not as old and is well written unlike pre 80's where you can easily change anything. Pakistan was under heavy sanctions after 1988 and even worst in 1998.

"Heavy sanctions" like not giving those F-16s?

Anyway after Pakistan joined the US against Taleban in 2001, a lot of the debt that Pakistan owed was forgiven.


Your Indian friends won't allow you either to increase defense spending and neither to have any nuke development. And since Bangladesh is cursed geographically by india covering it from almost 80% sides and Myanmar covering from most of the remaining, any activity in Bangladesh is being monitored by India and once they see you working on nukes, they will send their aircraft to destroy any such facility.

BD decides what it spends it's money on. India has no say. Remember what BD's BGB did to India's BSF in 2001?

BD just sees no need to have a hostile relationship with India right now as it needs an additional 10-15 years to build up it's economy and military.
BN and the government have already announced that they will be constructing 6 next-gen air defence frigates in partnership with a foreign vendor and India dare not say anything about this. These frigates will be a serious threat to Indian aircraft, ships and coastal targets.

Anyway I do not forsee BD going for nukes for many decades.
 
Disagree with all apart from why BD allows maids is beyond me!

Pakistan also has lots of migrant labourers and so not much difference from BD.

Conditions in BD garment factories have increased a lot since Rana Plaza disaster and the workers will have a big pay rise in time for the election next year.

BD leaders do not "whine" for no tariffs or gsp and anyway it is much better than begging IMF/China for loans like Pakistan does.

Are you thick or something? You claimed and bragged about trade and I slap you with reality check and now you drag Pakistan in migrant labor? Hardly you will find Pakistani claiming nonsense crap unlike Indians and their puppet satellite states.

Do you now want me to start posting links from HRW and amnesty, etc etc? Nobody gives a fk what stunt you have to do before elections.

You sure did in the past and showcased yourself as very poor country, which helped you get trade benefits. I do remember Pakistan trying to do something similar during Zardari govt and Bangladesh went against it whinning about their exports will suffer.

You call getting loans as begging? Are you a r3tarted troll or something? If you ask for loan to purchase a house, are you begging?

"Heavy sanctions" like not giving those F-16s?

Anyway after Pakistan joined the US against Taleban in 2001, a lot of the debt that Pakistan owed was forgiven..

Go and read proper history no indian or bangladesh one. No F16 (which was paid for already) was just one of hundreds, there was sanctions from being on many industries to exports to ramifications on nations that sell or purchase anything from Pakistan, etc etc. You would disintegrate into hundred pieces if that comes to your tiny nation. "Alot" of debt "forgiven"(lol :lol:) is just one of several nonsense myths.

BD decides what it spends it's money on. India has no say. Remember what BD's BGB did to India's BSF in 2001?

BD just sees no need to have a hostile relationship with India right now as it needs an additional 10-15 years to build up it's economy and military.
BN and the government have already announced that they will be constructing 6 next-gen air defence frigates in partnership with a foreign vendor and India dare not say anything about this. These frigates will be a serious threat to Indian aircraft, ships and coastal targets.

Anyway I do not forsee BD going for nukes for many decades.

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Dude, there is no tax on dreams, dream on dude, dream on.:rofl:

You are living in fools paradise if you think bdsh can do something without indian approval.
 
Yeah we requested Afghan governments to arm and fund insurgents in Baluchistan and frontier.(1970s)

We also requested 40th Army to invade Kabul.

Then we requested the world to leave Afghanistan in a mess instead of brokering a peace talk.

Then we requested Massood and Hekmetyar to fight each other like mangy dogs and devastate Kabul in process.

Then we made a mistake by requesting Mullah Omer to hand over Bin Laden.

Then we requested US to invade.

LOL. It's easy for enemies of Pakistan to blame Pakistan for all problems in the world. More difficult to see that most nations would have collapsed long ago if having to endure what Pakistan had to.

Usually Pakistani, Indian and Bangladeshi Muslims share same Masjid.

Well, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have excellent ties and good relations. We are both heavy in Tabligh and involved in dawah activities to Non-Muslims. We have no problem visiting each others' masjids.

Indians, however, remain still mortal enemies of Pakistanis, whether Muslims or Not. Somehow they are not able to get beyond the hate and brainwashing by Hindus. Maybe 30% Bangladeshis (probably AL) also have an irrational fear of Pakistan.

3rd world country cannot afford luxury of democracy.

What happened to that egalitarian and great secular democratic progressive nature of Bangladeshis? You don't have any shame in defending a dictator, and puppet of India, who is slaughtering your own people for being religious or BNP supporters.

You want Pakistan to use BD territory to fight India?
BD will NEVER allow any country to have a base on it's territory.

Except India. India can dictate everything to you, and you just sit around like slaves waiting for their commands.

All while they deport Indian Muslims claiming them as Bangladeshi migrants, while Burma/India pushes Rohingya back into BD, while India shoots down your border guards, steals your land by changing rivers, and controls your foreign/domestic policies.

BD had only 1 real enemy.

Who is that?

If you say Pakistan, we don't consider BD an enemy. It's a one-sided feeling on your part.

Pakistan would be a liability.

They would want to drag BD into their dispute over Kashmir with India.

You want to jeopardize the fastest industrialising large economy in the world for people who have no ethnic connection with BD'shis?

Indian Muslims and Kashmiris can face genocide, but its only about your Bangladesh economy. If Muslims had behaved like this in the early days of Islam, we would be no better than the Yahood.

Whether in Burma or Kashmir, BD owes itself to speak up for the truth. If Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Thailand and other nations close to India can criticize India for its policies, why is BD silent?

Nobody in Pakistan wants something like Bangladesh to be part of Pakistan. So relax and chill, it is just few umma chumma lover Pakistanis who think like jokers. Pakistan share nada with Bangladesh, geography, history, culture, language, ethnicity and race, problems, ETc etc nothing whatsoever.

I'm a believer in Ummah, too. I don't think joining with Bangladesh is practical. We would have to wait for the current geopolitical realities to change. I have the same feeling about Afghanistan. Let this generation go, and try to find more common ground next time. Doesn't have to be absolute unity in one state, friendly relations are a step in the right direction.
 
@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I support Pakistan position on Kashmir and BD needs to support this as well.
Partition was done on basis of religion and so Kashmir should be with Pakistan.

BD government is doing weird things like trading with the Barman savages that expelled Rohingyas which is bizarre. Makes no sense to me as I would rapidly arm the military and bomb the animals.

What BD cannot do is fight someone else's war. It has a good chance of escaping 3rd world status within one generation and needs to keep things stable.

With Imran Khan in power, there is some chance of improving ties between BD and Pakistan but a very close relationship is not possible for many decades at least.
 
And no offense but selling your women as maid to foreigners
What kind of weird logic is this? Is allowing a woman to work in a foreign country is equivalent to selling her? You have dishonored the entire womenfolk with this callous remarks of yours and you should withdraw this remark. You cannot question the woman who may be abused by her dishonest Muslim employer in the very very pious Islamic Saudi Arabia. How about your Randi Mahals in Lahore?

We have seen your Pakistani Islamic people in 1971 and now we sometimes see the similarly mean Islamic people in Saudi Arabia. However, you all are so fond of entering Paradise even after doing many such evil deeds. Shame on you!!!
 
Why can not Bangladesh make NUKE if pakistan can make? What speciality in pakistan that we do not have?
You just don't have the talent. Go get them then lol.

Make Bangladesh a mini military hub! :lol:

We all know the reality, Bangladesh is too small to be militarily relevant.
 
You just don't have the talent. Go get them then lol.

Make Bangladesh a mini military hub! :lol:

We all know the reality, Bangladesh is too small to be militarily relevant.

Whatever makes you sleep at night bud....:-)
 
You just don't have the talent. Go get them then lol.
We will , when we will be able to reach to that position alone , not with USA charity , but we will get if we can afford alone unlike pakistan. In sylhet and moulovi bazar we have uranium.
Make Bangladesh a mini military hub! :lol:

We all know the reality, Bangladesh is too small to be militarily relevant.
Small in what sense ? small land area? Well UK is 3 times smaller than Pakistan in land size , So pakistan is 3 times greater power than the UK , I am convinced sir with your logic .:hitwall:
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By whom?

Nobody gives a rats @ss. Bongas can't prove anything---All that was shown in the name of proofs was pictures of those who died in floods plus so called first hand accounts which were no more than fairy tales coming straight out of someone's "fertile" imagination.


By almost everybody around the world. U might not give it a rat’s *** since ur own country was involved in the atrocity. But everyone else does recognize it as one of the worst genocide in the history of mankind. The targets of Pak Army were mostly civilians and the attack was an undeclared war on the basis of ethnic identity.


As RJ Rummel said in his book,


In 1971 the self-appointed President of Pakistan and Commander-in-Chief of the Army, General Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan and his top generals prepared a careful and systematic military, economic, and political operation in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). They also planned to murder its Bengali intellectual, cultural, and political elite.

After a well-organized military buildup in East Pakistan the military launched its campaign. No more than 267 days later they had succeeded in killing perhaps 1,500,000 people, created 10,000,000 refugees who had fled to India, provoked a war with India, incited a counter-genocide of 150,000 non-Bengalis, and lost East Pakistan.


As I said earlier, it is humanely impossible for such a small force(Posse) to eliminate so many people.

35000 men and a squardon of lightly armed F86---Guarding the border, running civil administration fighting Mukti terrorists and killing and raping at the same time---

Were your lot like sheep and cattle in a slaughterhouse getting ready to get their throats slit at an assembly line?

That Brave Muktibhai needed the help of some 200,000 Indian soldiers and some 11 IAF squardons to achieve their freedom despite outnumbering Pakistani forces by a great margin.


And finally, cherry on top!

K C Pant, Indian former Defense Minister in September, 1994 during a discussion on Indo-Pak relations held in New Delhi, said


Peace is important between Pakistan and India. We respect the professional competence of the Pakistani soldier. Had democracy continued in Pakistan, Islamabad would not have suffered the debacle resulting in the surrender of its 40,000 military personnel to India in East Pakistan.


U cannot even lie properly, can u? Pakistan Army deployed 35000 troops but at the end of the war mysteriously 40000 troops surrendered in front of the coalition force. Looks like Pak soldiers reproduced 5000 of them amidst of war.

But obviously all of these r made up numbers. So it hardly matters anyway. Pak army was good at killing unarmed and innocent men, women and children only. But when these civilians took arms in their hand in order to protect themselves and formed mukti bahini 93k of these Pak soldires chickened out and ran back to Islamabad by seeing the might of our brave Muktijoddhas.


That's why your women work as maids for Arab Sheikhs ?


That's why your women have sold their bodies in Calcutta ?


Its not surprising to see that u consider women as sexual objects only. After all u r from a country called Pak which is one of the worst countries in the world as far as gender equality is concerned. Our women have the economic freedom. Yes, sometimes they get exploited while perusing their career. But we do not use that as an excuse to confine them in a corner rather try to take actions against those who r exploiting them.


In contrast, Ur womenfolks r illiterate, unproductive and a burden to the society. No wonder they need to remain subservient to the men because they r illiterate and have no knowledge about their right. How will they get educated? After all, In Pakistan girls get murdered and bombed if they go to the school.


That's why your pole vaulting brigade get's a mauling by BSF every now and then?

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economic powerhouse, my @ss.

Now get out of this Pakistani forum and massage your ego with misleading figures provided by your govt for local consumption.

@Desert Fox @django @Nilgiri



Never forget the fact that u were played like a football by the Amaericans and now they have passed the ball to the Chinese. Americans bombed the hell outta ur tribal area, killed ur own people and like an enslaved and subservient nation u still allow them to pass their convoy through ur border. Remember 2011 nato attack where they killed 25 of Pak army personnel?




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Remember the incident when US navy seals entered Pakistan to kill laden and did not even bother to inform Pakistan? It’s not surprising though. After all they consider Pak as their colony.


For the last part of ur post, u can bark as much as u want. U r the one who started it by talking crap about Bangladesh and now u r crying because someone has shown ur true worth as a Nation.


I m posting in Bangladesh related section and presenting actual facts. Current Pakistan is no match for Bangladesh. Our GDP per capita, debt to GDP ratio, export amount, currency, literacy rate and so many other things clearly suggests that we r way ahead of Pakistan Economically as well as socially and the gap is likely to increase in the coming future.
 

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BD economy is similar size to Pakistan.
Pakistan's nominal gdp is much higher than Bangladesh's you ignorant runt. Go check google.

By almost everybody around the world. U might not give it a rat’s *** since ur own country was involved in the atrocity. But everyone else does recognize it as one of the worst genocide in the history of mankind. The targets of Pak Army were mostly civilians and the attack was an undeclared war on the basis of ethnic identity.


As RJ Rummel said in his book,


In 1971 the self-appointed President of Pakistan and Commander-in-Chief of the Army, General Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan and his top generals prepared a careful and systematic military, economic, and political operation in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). They also planned to murder its Bengali intellectual, cultural, and political elite.

After a well-organized military buildup in East Pakistan the military launched its campaign. No more than 267 days later they had succeeded in killing perhaps 1,500,000 people, created 10,000,000 refugees who had fled to India, provoked a war with India, incited a counter-genocide of 150,000 non-Bengalis, and lost East Pakistan.





U cannot even lie properly, can u? Pakistan Army deployed 35000 troops but at the end of the war mysteriously 40000 troops surrendered in front of the coalition force. Looks like Pak soldiers reproduced 5000 of them amidst of war.

But obviously all of these r made up numbers. So it hardly matters anyway. Pak army was good at killing unarmed and innocent men, women and children only. But when these civilians took arms in their hand in order to protect themselves and formed mukti bahini 93k of these Pak soldires chickened out and ran back to Islamabad by seeing the might of our brave Muktijoddhas.





Its not surprising to see that u consider women as sexual objects only. After all u r from a country called Pak which is one of the worst countries in the world as far as gender equality is concerned. Our women have the economic freedom. Yes, sometimes they get exploited while perusing their career. But we do not use that as an excuse to confine them in a corner rather try to take actions against those who r exploiting them.


In contrast, Ur womenfolks r illiterate, unproductive and a burden to the society. No wonder they need to remain subservient to the men because they r illiterate and have no knowledge about their right. How will they get educated? After all, In Pakistan girls get murdered and bombed if they go to the school.






Never forget the fact that u were played like a football by the Amaericans and now they have passed the ball to the Chinese. Americans bombed the hell outta ur tribal area, killed ur own people and like an enslaved and subservient nation u still allow them to pass their convoy through ur border. Remember 2011 nato attack where they killed 25 of Pak army personnel?




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Remember the incident when US navy seals entered Pakistan to kill laden and did not even bother to inform Pakistan? It’s not surprising though. After all they consider Pak as their colony.


For the last part of ur post, u can bark as much as u want. U r the one who started it by talking crap about Bangladesh and now u r crying because someone has shown ur true worth as a Nation.


I m posting in Bangladesh related section and presenting actual facts. Current Pakistan is no match for Bangladesh. Our GDP per capita, debt to GDP ratio, export amount, currency, literacy rate and so many other things clearly suggests that we r way ahead of Pakistan Economically as well as socially and the gap is likely to increase in the coming future.
wow idiot, atleast we don't legalize prostitution, like your country does, and your women are sold as prostitutes to brothels of Kolkata. lol.

You shouldn't talk when you have no knowledge.

Whatever makes you sleep at night bud....:-)
Go get the nuclear weapons then buddy! :lol:

Prove me wrong. :lol:

BD economy is similar size to Pakistan.
You are lying.

Don't compare GDP per capita.

Compare Nominal GDP. Guess Economics is not your cup of tea.

Pakistan's nominal GDP is 283.7 billion USD (2016).
Bangladesh's nominal GDP is 221.4 billion USD (2016)

You simply google it.

Don't obfuscate.
 
Pakistan's nominal gdp is much higher than Bangladesh's you ignorant runt. Go check google.

So much butt-hurt there dude.:(


BD economy for 2018 is 286 billion US dollars and Pakistan is at 313 billion US dollars - only 10% higher with 20% more population.

Now, just chill and accept reality.
 
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