Will The US Embarrass The Indians

[khansaheeb]

It's in Pakistan and India's best interest this doesn't come out. If one version is proven wrong. The people will cry for blood and cause major embarrassment for the army and might force them into doing something stupid.

Right now both camps are happy with the versions provided by their army, so let it be. Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that.

Sooner or later US is going to see India as threat, it is only matter of time. India has it's own global economic aspirations which is a threat to the US global ambitions and there will be clash. -"Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that".

 

[EyelessInGaza]

"Embarrass the Indians". LOL, the self made headline itself not only contradicts the balanced version of the article, it highlights significant desperation on part of the OP.

As for believing, I'll go with the fact that the Indian Airforce itself stated that the copter that went down was it's fault, not not due to enemy action. This openness is in the best traditions of the Indian Armed forces, something that gives great credence to their other claims.

It's also the type of public transparency that's rarely- if ever- to be seen in ANY Pakistani armed forces institution. So while I welcome the release of data, I know which side to believe in for now.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Funny thing is that Foreign media mostly doesn't even mention the Pakistani claim of shooting down a Su-30, let alone investigate it. At least they mention the Indian claim of shooting down the F 16 and look into it. They know that the Pakistani claim has no credibility at all.

 

[Trango Towers]

But there is nothing mentioned about the 2nd plane which PAF shot down. PM IK recently claimed to shot down 2 indian jets on World's biggest forum yet no talk about it while pro Indian western media is desperate to find out the truth about Pakistani F16 which Indians, nonsensically claim it depsite of the American count. Talk should only be about whether second Indian plane downed by paf was su30 or not.

The indian airforce knows and we know. So relax...those that can do do and those that cant talk

 

[Windjammer]

"Embarrass the Indians". LOL, the self made headline itself not only contradicts the balanced version of the article, it highlights significant desperation on part of the OP.

Lol, desperation is when your airforce had to fly a mix formation to fool the Indian public with claims that these are the very same aircraft that attacked Balakot and the same SU-30 that PAF claims as destroyed. How desperate is that.

As for believing, I'll go with the fact that the Indian Airforce itself stated that the copter that went down was it's fault, not not due to enemy action. This openness is in the best traditions of the Indian Armed forces, something that gives great credence to their other claims.

Yup, the same IAF which was claiming a nice round figure of 350 Militants killed within 24 hours on the other side of the LOC, yet it took them 8 months to disclose own goal in their front yard.....Elections over....dust settled. BTW, any sign of that eluding Black Box.

It's also the type of public transparency that's rarely- if ever- to be seen in ANY Pakistani armed forces institution. So while I welcome the release of data, I know which side to believe in for now.

The Indian version of transparency is all too obvious in the following pictures
While PAF erects a monument with a replica of IAF SU-30 giving all it's details, the IAF once again fools it's own public by painting one of it's own wreckage in PAF colours. But i'm sure you have no issues with this.

Funny thing is that Foreign media mostly doesn't even mention the Pakistani claim of shooting down a Su-30, let alone investigate it. At least they mention the Indian claim of shooting down the F 16 and look into it. They know that the Pakistani claim has no credibility at all.

It was initially reported by your own media before they changed the narrative.

 

[Windjammer]

Yet more humiliation for Indians.

 

[loanranger]

Of course F16 is made by a private company - the US Govt owns no company except US Post. It still brings a lot of money and jobs to the US and is an integral part of the military industrial complex

Very convenient of you to ignore the rest of my post. No f16 went down you desperate Indian. You are a small minded creep. Look at the size of your Airforce and you still so desperately dream of bringing down a seven times smaller countries aircraft. IAF will cry out loud not it doesn't already when we procure new jets....

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Bas kar aur kitna rulayga

 

[masterchief_mirza]

"Embarrass the Indians". LOL, the self made headline itself not only contradicts the balanced version of the article, it highlights significant desperation on part of the OP.

As for believing, I'll go with the fact that the Indian Airforce itself stated that the copter that went down was it's fault, not not due to enemy action. This openness is in the best traditions of the Indian Armed forces, something that gives great credence to their other claims.

It's also the type of public transparency that's rarely- if ever- to be seen in ANY Pakistani armed forces institution. So while I welcome the release of data, I know which side to believe in for now.

Where do these clowns keep arriving from??

There was mobile phone footage of the crashed helicopter with numerous witnesses and a friggin civilian casualty on the ground. India didn't "admit" anything in any "tradition" of any openness or transparency...they simply could NOT hide it.

Yet they still obfuscated and delayed until they realised they had to simply state the truth. Pakistan calculated from day 1 that regarding the helicopter, it was actually in their favour to simply state the truth - Indian incompetence downed the mi17. Pakistan outplayed them on the downed chopper by declaring it had nothing to do with them.

Do you remember the father of one of the casualties cursing Pakistan immediately after? Pak simply said, not our problem dude, go speak to your own military.

Pakistan well and truly shafted your pathetic Hindutva nation. But frankly you set yourself up.

What are your flags btw?

 

[Jackdaws]

Very convenient of you to ignore the rest of my post. No f16 went down you desperate Indian. You are a small minded creep. Look at the size of your Airforce and you still so desperately dream of bringing down a seven times smaller countries aircraft. IAF will cry out loud not it doesn't already when we procure new jets....

Dream? Lol, OK.
How much smaller was Germany compared to the US? Or Japan? How much smaller was Italy compared to the Soviet Union? In fact, smaller well armed countries are tough to conquer because they are able to mount a stout defence which becomes difficult to breach. Of course, their problem is that they are also unable to mount an offence except for some minor intrusions.

You have your narrative and we have ours. Hence, if the Americans have the data, they should just provide it.

Pakistan had Abhinandan for over 24 hours. He didn't know what narrative was being shown across India. Surely in his interrogation he must have said that he didn't shoot anything down. Pakistan should just release that footage.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Lol, desperation is when your airforce had to fly a mix formation to fool the Indian public with claims that these are the very same aircraft that attacked Balakot and the same SU-30 that PAF claims as destroyed. How desperate is that.

Yup, the same IAF which was claiming a nice round figure of 350 Militants killed within 24 hours on the other side of the LOC, yet it took them 8 months to disclose own goal in their front yard.....Elections over....dust settled. BTW, any sign of that eluding Black Box.

The Indian version of transparency is all too obvious in the following pictures
While PAF erects a monument with a replica of IAF SU-30 giving all it's details, the IAF once again fools it's own public by painting one of it's own wreckage in PAF colours. But i'm sure you have no issues with this.

It was initially reported by your own media before they changed the narrative.

One news channel ? You will now resort to slip of tongues or lack of information with a news anchor to prove your claims ?

Forget about out news anchor, your own ISPR head had given a statement earlier that you had two India pilots in your custody, later changed to one. Where did the other pilot go ? Till date no explanation has been given.

Dream? Lol, OK.
How much smaller was Germany compared to the US? Or Japan? How much smaller was Italy compared to the Soviet Union? In fact, smaller well armed countries are tough to conquer because they are able to mount a stout defence which becomes difficult to breach. Of course, their problem is that they are also unable to mount an offence except for some minor intrusions.

You have your narrative and we have ours. Hence, if the Americans have the data, they should just provide it.

Pakistan had Abhinandan for over 24 hours. He didn't know what narrative was being shown across India. Surely in his interrogation he must have said that he didn't shoot anything down. Pakistan should just release that footage.

Whatever Abhi said under Pakistani custody cannot be taken as the truth for obvious reasons.

I agree with whatever you said though. Pakistanis have been using their smaller size as a constant excuse fore their failures against India but the examples you gave show that size doesn't matter that much. Look at what Japan did to China too.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

One news channel ? You will now resort to slip of tongues or lack of information with a news anchor to prove your claims ?

Forget about out news anchor, your own ISPR head had given a statement earlier that you had two India pilots in your custody, later changed to one. Where did the other pilot go ? Till date no explanation has been given.

He has multiple times said that two units reported the same pilot. You always cherry pick the statements.

 

[Jackdaws]

One news channel ? You will now resort to slip of tongues or lack of information with a news anchor to prove your claims ?

Forget about out news anchor, your own ISPR head had given a statement earlier that you had two India pilots in your custody, later changed to one. Where did the other pilot go ? Till date no explanation has been given.



Whatever Abhi said under Pakistani custody cannot be taken as the truth for obvious reasons.

I agree with whatever you said though. Pakistanis have been using their smaller size as a constant excuse fore their failures against India but the examples you gave show that size doesn't matter that much. Look at what Japan did to China too.

They seem to have treated him well. So full marks to them for that. But as I said, he obviously didn't know what Indian Govt and media were saying so in his interrogation they must surely have asked him about what he did or did not do.

Anyhow, this topic doesn't have a conclusion till some facts truly emerge.

Size becomes irrelevant. At its zenith, the Reich controlled all of Western Europe and much of Eastern Europe. The only country giving it hell was Great Britain, a small island.

 

[Windjammer]

One news channel ? You will now resort to slip of tongues or lack of information with a news anchor to prove your claims ?

Forget about out news anchor, your own ISPR head had given a statement earlier that you had two India pilots in your custody, later changed to one. Where did the other pilot go ? Till date no explanation has been given.

Oh slip of tongue now, one could understand if he had said MiG-27 or MiG-29 but only you characters will believe otherwise. The DG ISPR in fact at point said, one pilot captured and two are other reported in the area.....he later clarified the error as various sources reporting on the same incident....something the PAF Airchief also confirmed to me or as in his words, ''A person gets shot in the leg, some haphazardly will report, shot in the left leg while others may say right leg''. Did you clowns ever asked your war lords, where did they pull out that piece of AMRAAM from.
BTW, do also recall the half a dozen pathetic versions that were initially given on the loss of the MiG-21......One gem was that the aircraft malfunctioned over IOK but the pilot and the wreckage drifted into Pakistani territory.

 

[IndianGuy_]

Sooner or later US is going to see India as threat, it is only matter of time. India has it's own global economic aspirations which is a threat to the US global ambitions and there will be clash. -"Also US clearly wants to maintain relations with both countries, and will not do anything to spoil that".

Umm India is far from a position where they can even compete with Europe. Let alone US.

US infact needs India to grow faster and solidify its defense so they can counter China. India will benefit from that and so will US.