Will The US Embarrass The Indians

[IndianGuy_]

Its your version. From technical point of view what do you think Pakistan would have achieved by keeping the pilot in custody???

He could've been compelled to release information that was classified. An IAF pilot is as valuable asset as you can get.

They could have kept him longer (not hurt him but hold him) under any pretext given the seriousness of the situation.

 

[war&peace]

There is nothing to suggest India or Indians do too? Why US is choosing to not reveal details is anyone's guess.

There's a lot to suggest that Gangadeshis are averse to the facts and evidence. So far all the independent sources have invalidated Gangadeshi claims and a lot a has already been said and show and still their insistence on that shows their brain unable to accept the truth.

USA definitely does not want to embarrass Gangadesh since it has to use you against China so it won't bode well their plans that their ally got thrashed by a 6 times smaller country. But for a sane Indian it should be more than enough that despite being a strategic partner, US has not validated Gangadeshi claims. Rather whatever has come up in media through unofficial sources, goes against Gangadeshi narrative

Agreed but India take heart from the fact that they forced Pakistan into returning him with their aggressive diplomacy. So win from Jaws of defeat if you see it that way?

Would you apply the same logic to 1971 war... in fact, by your logic, getting thousands of soldiers freed is a much bigger win for Pakistan.

 

[IndianGuy_]

So far all the independent sources have invalidated Gangadeshi claims

Care to share any official reports from country other than Pakistan?

Would you apply the same logic to 1971 war... in fact, by your logic, getting thousands of soldiers freed is a much bigger win for Pakistan.

Absolutely. The general view in today's time is that India let off Pakistan easy. And should've bargained the release to maybe solve Kashmir dispute once and for all.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

He could've been compelled to release information that was classified. An IAF pilot is as valuable asset as you can get.

They could have kept him longer (not hurt him but hold him) under any pretext given the seriousness of the situation.

Pilots have only information about their planes which isn't very valuable since we have the wreckage.

Care to share any official reports from country other than Pakistan?


Absolutely. The general view in today's time is that India let off Pakistan easy. And should've bargained the release to maybe solve Kashmir dispute once and for all.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article204302.html

 

[war&peace]

Care to share any official reports from country other than Pakistan?

Sorry no spoon feeding since it has already been discussed to death on this forum so please feel free to look up the threads in the pertinent sections.

 

[Cookie Monster]

What IAF spanking?

We shot down our own chopper? It was a war like situation and someone made a colossal mistake and they are being dealt with.

India managed to chase PAF out in quick time and one pilot ended up crossing into Pakistani airspace. You downed him, but India's aggressive diplomacy meant the situation didn't end up embarrassing India.

That's the Indian version. And it's what they choose to believe here.

And no Indians won't believe sun revolves around the earth because there are plenty of sources to prove otherwise. What other source proves Pak version is right and India's is wrong? or otherwise as well?

Aggressive diplomacy? U mean the lie that India pressured Pak into releasing the captured pilot?
Lmao in ur dreams. If India had such clout why couldn't u guys get Kulbhushan Jadhav released?

As for India not receiving a spanking...that notion only exists in ur head(and the heads of ur fellow Indians)
- PAF said it is going to respond and then responded to Indian incursions by carrying out its own attacks
- IAF engaged and was promptly shot down and ur pilot captured

For any country...when u bomb their territory and shoot down their jet...capture their pilot...that is tantamount to war and warrants a response(just like how Pak responded to Indian attempt at bombing Pak territory).

What did India do in return? Nothing...there were no counter raids by IAF. What followed was just lies and facing saving about India shooting down an F16(showed no proof)...lies about India pressuring Pak to release the pilot...and many many other lies.

 

[PakSword]

Since you asked. This is our version as opposed to peace gesture version by Imran Khan.

IAF’s MiG-2 Bison crashed into across LoC and its pilot Abhinandan was captured by Pakistan forces. On February 28, after a day of anxiety and relentless diplomatic pressure from India, Pakistan decided to release Abhinandan. Today on March 1, Abhinandan has come back to India.

What happened behind the doors on a diplomatic level since the government stated that IAF pilot went missing, is a testimony of India’s rising stature in the world.

India ruled out any negotiation for the IAF pilot, it said it was Pakistan’s responsibility to follow guidelines under Geneva Conventions. However, India categorically stated if Abhinandan was harmed or not released, there would be severe consequences.

In the meantime, all the P-5 nations put pressure on Pakistan to act against terrorism. Pakistan requested UAE to snub India for the OIC conclave. However, UAE chose to turn down Pakistan’s requests. Amidst this, the US, European Union, Saudi Arabia, UAE and other P-5 nations put immense pressure on Islamabad and it left with no option but to release Abhinandan, the report said.

Entire report is available in Financial Express.

What about Mr. Kulbhushan? Why are you guys wasting your time in international court?

What other source proves Pak version is right and India's is wrong? or otherwise as well?

There's is a source that proves your version is wrong.. Go check the story of F-16 count.... by a Pentagon correspondent, Lara Seligman..

 

[YeBeWarned]

Even if US release the information showing truth, these Dumba$$ Indians will not believe ..

 

[Jackdaws]

If US is really concealing certain information; then, I think, that it must be something embarrassing for India. US wouldn't care much for Pakistan, under the present circumstances.

Really? You think the Americans would want to advertise that their F16 was brought down by a significantly older MiG 21?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Really? You think the Americans would want to advertise that their F16 was brought down by a significantly older MiG 21?

Indians and their theories.

 

[Jackdaws]

There's a lot to suggest that Gangadeshis are averse to the facts and evidence. So far all the independent sources have invalidated Gangadeshi claims and a lot a has already been said and show and still their insistence on that shows their brain unable to accept the truth.

USA definitely does not want to embarrass Gangadesh since it has to use you against China so it won't bode well their plans that their ally got thrashed by a 6 times smaller country. But for a sane Indian it should be more than enough that despite being a strategic partner, US has not validated Gangadeshi claims. Rather whatever has come up in media through unofficial sources, goes against Gangadeshi narrative



Would you apply the same logic to 1971 war... in fact, by your logic, getting thousands of soldiers freed is a much bigger win for Pakistan.

There was an agreement signed in 71, India only returned them in 73 or 74 while using them as laborers to build a road from Kanpur to Agra and India got the Shimla Agreement which took out the UN Resolutions from the equation... No comparison.

Indians and their theories.

I would like to see the data, that's all. If my Govt is wrong, I would still like to know.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

There was an agreement signed in 71, India only returned them in 73 or 74 while using them as laborers to build a road from Kanpur to Agra and India got the Shimla Agreement which took out the UN Resolutions from the equation... No comparison.


I would like to see the data, that's all. If my Govt is wrong, I would still like to know.

At the end of the day Americans aren't hotheaded like most of the South Asians and they will always think about their benefits.

 

[loanranger]

Really? You think the Americans would want to advertise that their F16 was brought down by a significantly older MiG 21?

The F-16 is a world renouned and proven fighter jet. Its property rights donot lie with the US gov they lie with an aircraft company. So US gov is not responsible for its marketing. Shooting down one f16 does not bring down its reputation built on decades.Also this concept Indians have of feeling proud of Shooting down f16 with lower gen AC is silly and wrong. I can kill you with my bare hands or gun. Makes no difference. Say an Amraam hits su30 either from f16 or Jf17. Whats the difference? None at all.

 

[Samlee]

He could've been compelled to release information that was classified. An IAF pilot is as valuable asset as you can get.

They could have kept him longer (not hurt him but hold him) under any pretext given the seriousness of the situation.

And What Makes You Think He Didn't Give Us The Info We Desired???

 

[Jackdaws]

The F-16 is a world renouned and proven fighter jet. Its property rights donot lie with the US gov they lie with an aircraft company. So US gov is not responsible for its marketing. Shooting down one f16 does not bring down its reputation built on decades.Also this concept Indians have of feeling proud of Shooting down f16 with lower gen AC is silly and wrong. I can kill you with my bare hands or gun. Makes no difference. Say an Amraam hits su30 either from f16 or Jf17. Whats the difference? None at all.

Of course F16 is made by a private company - the US Govt owns no company except US Post. It still brings a lot of money and jobs to the US and is an integral part of the military industrial complex