Why did Pakistanis decided to keep Thier pre-islamic sirnames while Muslims in rest of the South Asia didn't?

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Lower caste people of the subcontinent reverted to Islam to escape Hindu casteism. Hence Muslims of Subcontinent only carry tribe names and not caste names.

The caste system was largely non-existent in modern-day Pakistan. The Indus region has always followed a tribal system similar to that of the original early Indo-Aryans.

Most of people west of Indus would have Arabic, Persians and Turkic surnames.

Only people East of Indus would have caste sub names.

Pakistanis on both side of the Indus largely have tribal/clan surnames.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Indian or subcontinental people have very strong DNA, and so are our identities.

What does this even mean?

It means that South Asians are immune to DNA manipulations through COVID-19 vaccines.

 

[V. Makarov]

Why did Pakistanis decided to keep Thier pre-islamic surnames while largely Muslims in rest of South Asia didn't?

You rarely see Muslims of Bangladesh, India even Sri Lanka with Thier pre Islamic sir names
All of them pretty much use first name as last or minority use foreign name
and are generally aggressively against this whole buisness of clans/caste (we are agressivelly against this too)/tribes

While here you seem to find people using Thier pre isalmic sir names

It's an interesting phenomenon on how eventhough we are all Muslims of SC but we devaloped in a different way compared to other Muslims of south Asia

How did it happen? Why did Muslims in rest of the south Asia just did a complete 180 degree turn?

Why didn't we followed Thier example?


@Talwar e Pakistan , @Joe Shearer ,@Indus Pakistan ,@DrJekyll ,@Novus ordu seclorum ,@Bilal9

You are implying that changing the name to an "Islamic" one is a religious requirement. If that is true, why didn't these people change their names:

1) Abu Bark As-Saddique
2) Umar bin Al-Khattab Al-Farooq
3) Uthman ibn Affan Al-Ghani
4) Maula Ali ibn Abi Talib

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Low caste people started calling themselves mughal hashmi qureshi etc

They are the decedents of the Arabs.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Why didn't we followed Thier example?

I don't think your ancestors were in touch with some Bangla dude 1,200 miles east or some Tamil guy 1,000 miles south anymore then they were influenced by what some Azerbaijani did 1,200 miles west.

By the way most people hold on to their pre-Islamic aspects if they have pride in them. But if your a Hindu Dalit and you convert there will be every reason to efface your previous existence as a lowly Dalit - instead you will fashion yourself as some noble Arab heritage and claim even a connection to the prophet [PBUH] which explains why there are a billion Syeds rolling about. Then you have others buzzing around as Moghuls even if their face shows a emaciated Bihari.

By the way the Turks almost always have a Turkish surname because of the pride they have in their ancestors. But then if your ancestors were schion of Ertrugul so would you but you would not be so gripping to flaunt your Dalit or Bihari ancestry.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Infact letting India using the word HINDUSTAN on any forum was very very worng by Pakistan. They must have kept India or Bharat only.

It is not used in any forum, only informally, for instance, here.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan is an oral society with deep pastoralist watermark. A fair chunk of the population belong to semi nomadic tribes that overtime largely moved about the geographical realities.

Usually men take up the name of their tribe as a surname. First names are free for all it seems.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

By the way the Turks almost always have a Turkish surname because of the pride they have in their ancestors.

This is actually recent.

Under Ataturk, the Government emplaced surname laws to replace "tribal, titular or foreign" surnames with solely Turkish names. This was one of many policies enacted to create a modern Turkish national identity.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Caste is a profession which may be ethnic or tribal identity. Kshatriya is a caste and the blood Syed/Sharif or Deva is original ethnicity within the caste. Similarly, Rajput and Pathan are ethnicitities in Kshatriya. Blood Aryan is the original ethnicity in the Brahman caste.

Caste always represents the profession.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Infact letting India using the word HINDUSTAN on any forum was very very worng by Pakistan. They must have kept India or Bharat only. We just gave away our history to Modern Hindutva Cult.

Hindustan is what the people of modern-day Pakistan used to (and often still do) refer to 'North India' (Delhi region, UP and Bihar) as.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Why did Pakistanis decided to keep Thier pre-islamic surnames while largely Muslims in rest of South Asia didn't?

You rarely see Muslims of Bangladesh, India even Sri Lanka with Thier pre Islamic sir names
All of them pretty much use first name as last or minority use foreign name
and are generally aggressively against this whole buisness of clans/caste (we are agressivelly against this too)/tribes

While here you seem to find people using Thier pre isalmic sir names

It's an interesting phenomenon on how eventhough we are all Muslims of SC but we devaloped in a different way compared to other Muslims of south Asia

How did it happen? Why did Muslims in rest of the south Asia just did a complete 180 degree turn?

Why didn't we followed Thier example?


@Talwar e Pakistan , @Joe Shearer ,@Indus Pakistan ,@DrJekyll ,@Novus ordu seclorum ,@Bilal9

The good thing about keeping the caste name is when Ghar Wapsi happens it makes the job easy and people do not have to second guess. For example Ishaq Dar becomes a Brahman.

 

[Maula Jatt]

You are implying that changing the name to an "Islamic" one is a religious requirement. If that is true, why didn't these people change their names:

1) Abu Bark As-Saddique
2) Umar bin Al-Khattab Al-Farooq
3) Uthman ibn Affan Al-Ghani
4) Maula Ali ibn Abi Talib

I am not advocating either for or against it - just raising a question out of curiosity and how different Muslim cultures in south Asia developed

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Hindustan is what the people of modern-day Pakistan used to (and often still do) refer to 'North India' (Delhi region, UP and Bihar) as.

While the Europeans used the name Indica, Hindustan was the name used by the Arabs, Turks & Persians for the people of the Subcontinent including Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

 

[Maula Jatt]

The good thing about keeping the caste name is when Ghar Wapsi happens it makes the job easy and people do not have to second guess. For example Ishaq Dar becomes a Brahman.

The only thing he should become is someone's prison bitch

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

While the Europeans used the name Indica, Hindustan was the name used by the Arabs, Turks & Persians for the people of the Subcontinent including Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

Hindustan was used for a specific region that corresponds to roughly modern-day UP. It was Akbar who changed this and instead referred to Hindustan as all domains under Mughal authority.

However, people of modern-day Pakistan continued to refer to 'Hindustan' as a region which corresponds to now North India.