Why did Pakistanis decided to keep Thier pre-islamic sirnames while Muslims in rest of the South Asia didn't?

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Are we talking about the same time period where Mongols were roaming around indus basin
"Around 1240 CE a Mongol commander of Herat called Bahadur Tair with other mongol leaders amassed massive hordes and descended upon the Indus region but finding it difficult to take Multan they moved northwards towards another medieval jewel of the Indus basin, the city of Lahore."

Is this is the same guy who after defeat in Multan invaded Lahore (where the governor along with military abandoned the city and people fought off the Mongols alone - 10 of thousands mongol horsemen died inside the city)

or this is just a completely different character

Someone else.

 

[Shah_G]

People began to claim Syed ancestry enmasse during Mughal rule due to the state benefits allotted to Syeds; specifically exemption from taxation, provision of a hefty allowance and preference in employment.

The actual original Syed population (along with other Arabs) were located in the Arab quarters of Mansura and Multan.

The Arabs/Syeds of Mansura, along with the rest of the population, were massacred and exterminated by Mahmud Ghaznavi.

While the Arabs/Syeds of Multan were exiled to India by Hussain Shah Langah, one of the reasons being the increasing unpopularity of Syeds following a major event where they conspired with an invading Timurid army to open the gates and allowed them to massacre and plunder the inhabitants in return for the Syeds to be spared and their positions be retained.

Hussain Shah Langah was a local tribal leader that had wrested control over South Punjab and had declared independence from the Delhi Sultanate, becoming the Sultan of Multan. The exiled Syeds then had lobbied Delhi to invade South Punjab and return them to power. A massive invasion force was sent which quickly managed to surround and besiege Multan. Hussain Shah Langah, understanding that the city would soon starve, led his Baloch and Punjabi cavalry in a suicidal sally that miraculously managed to break the siege and route the enemy guaranteeing his independence and destroying any hopes of return for the exiled Syeds.

Syeds didn’t start claiming their ancestry during Mughal era, they’ve been there way before Mughals. Care to explain all the shrines of Syed’s centuries before Mughal era? State benefited tax was always there for Syed’s wherever Islamic rule is from the time of prophet pbuh. He set the rules to be taxed and not take zakat Sadaqa. The rule is still there in Pakistan. It’s different that we don’t get tax money no more. It isn’t something new.
This is not the first time Syed’s were massacred, and your explanation above doesnt prove anything whatsoever. It’s just a small history lesson like many others. If anything you should look into bulbul shah whoes descendants are all over Kashmir and all Kashmiri Kazmi Syed trace their lineage to him to Musa Kazim to Prophet Muhammad pbuh. He converted 90% Kashmiri Brahmin population into Islam probably your forefathers too. He had many kids and lived in Kashmir, his grave is Indian occupied Kashmir way before Mughals.

This fake Syed propaganda was brought by none other then British, because people respected Syed’s and listen to them and stood against British on their calls. The British knew who they’re up against so they created fake Syed’s mullahs to control the population. If any fake Syed is there they come from British era not Mughal or any other era.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Someone else.

shit- how many different kinda Mongols dissented on our region-funny and depressing

 

[Wergeland 2.0]

cause as the legend goes - jutt clans revolted against the raja and aided him - he came in during a civil war or civil strife so all he needed was a domino effect
second we started converting 11th-12th century onwards

interesting
What caste converted first and was it during and after Ghaznavid raids?

 

[Maula Jatt]

interesting
What caste converted first and was it during and after Ghaznavid raids?

no idea bro but by babars time everyone was pretty much Muslim
can read post # 184 for details on conversions

History of Punjabis

Overflow of River Ravi annually flooded Lahore, Pakistan. King Aurangzeb (1658-1707) built an embankment (اورنگزیبی بند) to save the city. Sikhs & British stole its bricks & floods recurred. Lahore was again flooded in 1952 which resulted in building of existing embankment (بند). 7:57 AM ·...

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[Talwar e Pakistan]

Any reference?? so that I can read the whole story.

Conflict and Cosmopolitanism in “Arab” Sind and Tarikh-i Firishta

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Bin Muhammad conqoured Balochistan Sind and Punjab with mere 10 000 soldiers!

Bin Qasim's invasion was the last of many Arab attempts to invade Sindh, the previous attempts were larger than Bin Qasim's expedition but were unsuccessful or inconclusive. Bin Qasim's invasion was at an excellent time as Sindh was significantly weakened due to Chach's usurpation that toppled the Buddhist dynasty, Sindh had just be unsuccessfully invaded by a North Indian Hindu Kingdom and the local population, which was Buddhist majority, were in revolt and readily joined MQB during his invasion.

 

[SABRE]

People began to claim Syed ancestry enmasse during Mughal rule due to the state benefits allotted to Syeds; specifically exemption from taxation, provision of a hefty allowance and preference in employment.

The actual original Syed population (along with other Arabs) were located in the Arab quarters of Mansura and Multan.

The Arabs/Syeds of Mansura, along with the rest of the population, were massacred and exterminated by Mahmud Ghaznavi.

While the Arabs/Syeds of Multan were exiled to India by Hussain Shah Langah, one of the reasons being the increasing unpopularity of Syeds following a major event where they conspired with an invading Timurid army to open the gates and allowed them to massacre and plunder the inhabitants in return for the Syeds to be spared and their positions be retained.

Hussain Shah Langah was a local tribal leader that had wrested control over South Punjab and had declared independence from the Delhi Sultanate, becoming the Sultan of Multan. The exiled Syeds then had lobbied Delhi to invade South Punjab and return them to power. A massive invasion force was sent which quickly managed to surround and besiege Multan. Hussain Shah Langah, understanding that the city would soon starve, led his Baloch and Punjabi cavalry in a suicidal sally that miraculously managed to break the siege and route the enemy guaranteeing his independence and destroying any hopes of return for the exiled Syeds.

Interesting. I belong to a Syed clan & my paternal ancestor was an officer in Amir Temur's army. Who do I need to apologise to?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Only Muslims used the word Hindustan.

British and Europeans always used the words Indica or India.

Bharat is the word used by Indians.

Papu read any historic british document. Not the RSS ka chutyapa

The people that you are referring to (Chuhras) were brought over by the British to work as cantonment laborers doing menial tasks that the locals refused to do.

Most of them were already Christians and many were brought from Goa, which is why roughly half of Pakistani Christians are Catholics (native Goans being mostly Catholic).

Chuhras that converted to Islam became Musalli while Chuhras that converted to Sikhism became Mazhabhi Sikhs.

Explains their facial features etc.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Interesting. I belong to a Syed clan & my paternal ancestor was an officer in Amir Temur's army. Who do I need to apologise to?

literally everyone from indus basin to Hindustan- dude killed more people than hitler and that was before modern guns, machines etc

 

[lastofthepatriots]

literally everyone from indus basin to Hindustan- dude killed more people than hitler and that was before modern guns, machines etc

Jatts must apologize for Bajwa.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Jatts must apologize for Bajwa.

yeah, he is missing balls. Kashmiris hate him for being a vagina.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Jatts must apologize for Bajwa.

he is no jutt, he is a bloody balls less loser - size of a tiger but heart of a chicken

 

[M. Sarmad]

The people that you are referring to (Chuhras) were brought over by the British to work as cantonment laborers doing menial tasks that the locals refused to do.

Most of them were already Christians and many were brought from Goa, which is why roughly half of Pakistani Christians are Catholics (native Goans being mostly Catholic).

Chuhras that converted to Islam became Musalli while Chuhras that converted to Sikhism became Mazhabhi Sikhs.

Chuhras are indigenous to Punjab and were in fact the fourth largest tribe in Punjab (after Jats, Rajputs and Pandits/Brahmans) when the Brits colonized the country in the 19th century.

Chuhras were social outcasts and were never admitted to the Hindu caste system, not even as untouchables/achoot.

They followed their own religion distinct from Hinduism, were a scavenging people who, working for the supposedly higher class people, removed nightsoil even a thousand years ago

 

[Wergeland 2.0]

Bin Qasim's invasion was the last of many Arab attempts to invade Sindh, the previous attempts were larger than Bin Qasim's expedition but were unsuccessful or inconclusive. Bin Qasim's invasion was at an excellent time as Sindh was significantly weakened due to Chach's usurpation that toppled the Buddhist dynasty, Sindh had just be unsuccessfully invaded by a North Indian Hindu Kingdom and the local population, which was Buddhist majority, were in revolt and readily joined MQB during his invasion.

Right
According to Arab chronicles Arab armies first time entered modern day Pakistan already during Khalifah Omar Bin Al Khattab RA reign.

But Khalifah Omar was not very keen on expanding so fast and far from Arabia as he was afraid the logistical chain will be too complex and armies too overstreched to be able to conqour and hold the territory.
We also have to remember that Iran proper was not fully under the Caliphate control yet. It wasnt before Uthman RA reign that last opposition to Khalifah was crushed at the Battle of Nihavand.