Who is Ajit Kumar Doval?

[Bang Galore]

Modi has calmed down after being briefed with classified information. He realizes the mountain of responsibility he carries on his shoulders and his advisers know first hand what a proxy war with Pakistan would result in for Indian security. I don't think that Mr Doval who has spent time in Pakistan and has had first hand dealings with the ISI, would make any amateurish decision.

It's funny to hear about "calmed down" etc...it implies that you treat election rhetoric as something more substantial than it is. Modi is an experienced operator and has always kept election rhetoric separate from governance. Modi would have had reasonable access to information & ideas from his advisers even before he became PM even if the complete picture was available after he took office. Contrary to street opinion in Pakistan, Modi is no hot head. Probably one of the coolest operators around. His pragmatism is even more evident in his relations with the U.S. where he has not allowed a personal slight to anyway influence public policy. Too many people in Pakistan have a very shallow understanding of Mr.Modi & the Indian government.

What else it could be? TTP is fighting Pakistan because Pakistan is not muslim enough. Imagine India helps TTP. What would be India's goal? weaken and eventually destroy pakistan so that TTP could win and get its hands on nuclear weapon? Are we naive enough to believe after that TTP would be happy and not bother India? Or is that TTP is entirely hindus posing as muslims?

Spot on. Unfortunately many Pakistanis refuse to think on the issue. Partially the connect was a deliberate creation because many Pakistanis including in the PA are intrinsically uneasy about fighting fellow Muslims, especially people asking for more Islamic law adherence. One way to deal with that problem is to create an Indian linkage & thereby make it easier to fight them. However too many have just bought that argument, hook, line & sinker even when they should have known better.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Spot on. Unfortunately many Pakistanis refuse to think on the issue. Partially the connect was a deliberate creation because many Pakistanis including in the PA are intrinsically uneasy about fighting fellow Muslims, especially people asking for more Islamic law adherence. One way to deal with that problem is to create an Indian linkage & thereby make it easier to fight them. However too many have just bought that argument, hook, line & sinker even when they should have known better.

Is it not even more dangerous? Wild Goose chase? Blaming India for other peoples mistake?

 

[SrNair]

what about the mallu guy after him.. he was pretty sharp....
doval just talks.. others maintain silence.

You meant about that Shiv Sankar menon.Right?
Lol He was a career diplomat and old IFS man.Dont know any thing about espionage related activities.
Ajit Doval is a professional spy who got decorated award from
President for his service in NE India.

Thanks for confirming this conspiracy theory. Its sad, its the only stuff our mindless anchors can sell on tv as our majority population is not even educated past 10th class

The main responsibility of the medias in a democratic nation is critically watching their govt movements and consolidate people opinion for a better governance.
In your nation majority time they divert the people anger against govt towards outside by using conspiracy theories.
AFAIK Geo was an exception and they got reward ,they are banned.

 

[anant_s]

If he takes Modi's promise for waging a covert war in Pakistan from an election stunt to a reality, it would be the worst mistake India has made in its recent history.

You must remember that last BJP prime minister Vajpayye Sahab was the one to initiate a peace dialogue with Pakistan and while BJP makes no bones about having a hawkish stance against cross border terrorism, it probably is the best bet for peaceful relations between both nations. The policy of engaging parties in dialogue is welcome and i'm sure if PM Shariff reciprocates, you will find talking to a government that is willing to walk that extra mile.
6 decades of animosity has already taken a huge toll on people from both sides and as recent unfortunate incidents show, the menace of terrorism should be tackled right now.
& in this regard having a strong administrator at helm of affairs does help a lot.

 

[zip]

Would destabilizing India be beneficial to Pakistan?

Multiple authorities,multiple power centres,multiple ideas to stay relevant in public mind usually wont care for benefit of nation when their survival is questioned ..

 

[nik22]

So Pakistan sees its benefit in destabilizing a 1900km long Eastern border on top of a 2300km long unstable border in the West?

Would Pakistan want a strong, stable India? Answer is No
Would India want a strong, stable Pakistan? Answer is No again.

They would want each other to be busy with Internal issues. Both countries would like not so strong and stable enemy on border. Definitely India would not want a Jihadi/Islamist Pakistan. That would be a nightmare. If both countries can prosper together, that is a WIN. But I ain't see that happening. Not for next 10 years at least.

 

[Echo_419]

@Norwegian
Ajit Kumar Doval was a former IB director.
But he was retired even before 2005.Just after the UPA government.
TTP was formed in 2007 and started their bloodshed only after that.At that time Doval even didnt have a govt post in our govt.
He came in to the picture only after May 26 2014 as NSA.
Now there professional intel officers in this PDF.Ask them how much years will take to develop such a level of connections.
TTP was already on run due to.Pak military ops.
Dude this is just another conspiracy theory of your Pak.Media.

In short he is the best India has right now

 

[gau8av]

If its youtube, then its banned in Pakistan.

try Tor Browser

 

[Dash]

Our Pakistani media is spreading conspiracy theories that Ajit Kumar Dovar, an Indian intelligence officer, serving as Prime Minister Narendra Modi's National Security Adviser, is the mastermind behind TTP activities and other terrorist groups in the region. In a way he has become Dawood Ibrahim for Pakistani conspiracy theorists. Can Indian members of PDF confirm or deny this?

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I can confirm that Ajit Doval is neither a TTP supporter nor a conspirator for terrorist activities in Pakistan.

Don't go by media these days, they are trying to find new fashion always and Ajit rival is the latest one.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

What else it could be? TTP is fighting Pakistan because Pakistan is not muslim enough. Imagine India helps TTP. What would be India's goal? weaken and eventually destroy pakistan so that TTP could win and get its hands on nuclear weapon? Are we naive enough to believe after that TTP would be happy and not bother India? Or is that TTP is entirely hindus posing as muslims?

what the hell! if indian support TTP they already are.. indian doesnt have balls to come in front of us and TTP cant fight without foreign help..
Mr. Norway having pass highschool doesnt make you educated.. maybe majority of people doesnt have degrees but i assure you they have knoweldge. you read on news or get your info from TV they live in Pakistan who deal everything daily.. so stop underestimate Pakistanies. visiting once a while wont get you any idea about daily life in Pak..

 

[Bang Galore]

Is it not even more dangerous? Wild Goose chase? Blaming India for other peoples mistake?

Dangerous? Depends....this thing has now a life of its own with many believing it completely. You see it on this forum too, even with normal mature members buying into that argument. Too many Pakistanis live in different plane of altered reality. That's why they completely ignore the OBL episode but ask why Obama isn't visiting an ally, they don't understand the portrayal on a TV series except as just another conspiracy theory.They have no clear answer that makes sense to any of us to the question of why the rest of the world should be all conspiring against Pakistan but they are sure of it. You will see it even in their approach to India, they actually believe that they have all the aces and simply accuse India of not wanting peace etc because India doesn't agree to their position in toto. You will see many here & on their TV programs & newspaper articles urging the government of Pakistan to mount an media & diplomatic offensive, that delusion can only make sense if you live in a reality different from the one we see. They keep talking about their losses in the war on terror as being imposed because they joined someone else's fight, they don't understand when the world isn't appreciative of their argument that terrorists not attacking Pakistan currently should be given a free reign, they don't understand when the world doesn't buy their figures of losses, either in terms of the people killed or the amount supposedly suffered (usually an outrageous figure in the very high billions of dollars) and they actually think that the rest of the world is being wicked if they don't give Pakistan everything it demands.

I would assume that this amount of delusion is dangerous, both for themselves as well as to all those who have to deal with them. I just don't see a way out though. The situation now controls the delusion to a point where you have to wonder whether delusion is necessary for survival itself.

 

[Lord ZeN]

Our Pakistani media is spreading conspiracy theories that Ajit Kumar Dovar, an Indian intelligence officer, serving as Prime Minister Narendra Modi's National Security Adviser, is the mastermind behind TTP activities and other terrorist groups in the region. In a way he has become Dawood Ibrahim for Pakistani conspiracy theorists. Can Indian members of PDF confirm or deny this?
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@Norwegian

He was a brilliant IPS officer from the 1968 batch of the Kerala cadre & he is doing a excellent job as our National Security Adviser. As far as conspiracy theories are concerned they are just ridiculous & absolute B.S.
But I won't blame your media because our own "traitor- secular" politicians from TMC like Mamta al baghdadi were calling him a RSS sympathiser just because he was uncovering their extremist links.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

I would assume that this amount of delusion is dangerous, both for themselves as well as to all those who have to deal with them. I just don't see a way out though. The situation now controls the delusion to a point where you have to wonder whether delusion is necessary for survival itself.

That delusion is why I asked - Is it not dangerous? Not to them alone but to their neighbors as well....

 

[Echo_419]

If he takes Modi's promise for waging a covert war in Pakistan from an election stunt to a reality, it would be the worst mistake India has made in its recent history.

What can you possibly do against us you are already waging a proxy war against us,your millitary is tilted against us,you try to damage us internationally at every single opportunity
What can you possibly do more

 

[livingdead]

If he takes Modi's promise for waging a covert war in Pakistan from an election stunt to a reality, it would be the worst mistake India has made in its recent history.

lolz.. you should write a small novel also as to how Mr Doval was captured and killed by pakistanis. This post is so childshish. (basically a loose English translation of desi way of saying )

The idea that MMS was a dove (may be he personally was) and Modi is hothead, therefore their ways will be different, is a creation of media, or may be BJP wallahs.
If there was covert war, am am pretty sure congress govt would have done it too. Only difference is, like any other country, they keep calm, not go around shouting from rooftop.