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@Omar Al-Deek, I am posting here because profile posts do not allow posts to be of more than 420 characters.
Yes, you have once or twice before said that you are an anti-imperialist.
True Communism seeks to enable a society where people volunteer or are encouraged to live in harmony with each other and with Nature. The traditional money system is abolished to remove some people's materialist and artificial supremacy over others. Land and means of production are managed by the politico-socio-economic system and not privately so as to remove source of disputes. For example, in India there are 30+ million court cases pending and out of them most are land / estate disputes. If the Indian system had been communist, meaning land being held as commons, then these disputes wouldn't have existed in the first place.
Perhaps you have read a recent thread of mine where I propose a new, communist economic system. Thread here.
You can ask me more.
Yes, you have once or twice before said that you are an anti-imperialist.
True Communism seeks to enable a society where people volunteer or are encouraged to live in harmony with each other and with Nature. The traditional money system is abolished to remove some people's materialist and artificial supremacy over others. Land and means of production are managed by the politico-socio-economic system and not privately so as to remove source of disputes. For example, in India there are 30+ million court cases pending and out of them most are land / estate disputes. If the Indian system had been communist, meaning land being held as commons, then these disputes wouldn't have existed in the first place.
Perhaps you have read a recent thread of mine where I propose a new, communist economic system. Thread here.
You can ask me more.
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@Omar Al-Deek, the original CPI ( Communist Party of India ) was set up in the 1920s in Tashkent and among the founders were four Muslims.
Among the other early Indian socialists / communists was the revolutionary Bhagat Singh. You can read about him in my thread here.
Then, after the Indian Independence the communists and general leftists got themselves into the education sector, the theatre scene and some of the film industries including Bollywood.
In the 1960s there was a dispute in the CPI basically to do with the Indo-China war ( some deciding to support China ) and the party split into different factions. And then a few years later some of the communists in West Bengal volunteered to go to the rural areas in WB and help take on the oppression of the peasants by the feudals. The most famous case of this was in the village called Naxalbari and the communists who volunteered here came to be eventually called the Naxalites. These communists took on the state paramilitary and are today one of the oldest insurgencies in the world. Today, the Naxalites operate in what is called the Red Corridor which ranges in the North from the border with Nepal through the mountains and jungles to the Southern state of Karnataka. Their own technical names were different during the decades with various underground communist groups fighting under different names but they have now come to be known as the CPI ( Maoist ) because they seek to bring an armed revolutionary change to India in the manner of Mao of China.
Supporters of the Hindutvadi right-wingers in central government currently in power, call the intellectuals and progressives in Indian cities as "Urban Naxals" so as to make it convenient for the right-wingers to foist "sedition" cases on these intellectuals and put them away in jail.
Left-wing activism in India ( not the underground Naxalism
) had stagnated after the 1980s but has seen a resurgence especially during and after 2016 through the activism and speeches of the student leaders of the JNU university in Delhi. Three of the most public of these then student leaders are Kanhaiya Kumar, Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid. All there have been harassed by right-wingers among Delhi Police, right-wing-sympathizing lawyers and even a woman judge. All three are now leaders in their own right. Another educational place where communism is resurgent is Jadavpur University in Calcutta ( Kolkata ) in West Bengal state.
After about three decades of stagnation left-wing activism in India is now resurgent in a few pockets, especially among the youth.
Among the other early Indian socialists / communists was the revolutionary Bhagat Singh. You can read about him in my thread here.
Then, after the Indian Independence the communists and general leftists got themselves into the education sector, the theatre scene and some of the film industries including Bollywood.
In the 1960s there was a dispute in the CPI basically to do with the Indo-China war ( some deciding to support China ) and the party split into different factions. And then a few years later some of the communists in West Bengal volunteered to go to the rural areas in WB and help take on the oppression of the peasants by the feudals. The most famous case of this was in the village called Naxalbari and the communists who volunteered here came to be eventually called the Naxalites. These communists took on the state paramilitary and are today one of the oldest insurgencies in the world. Today, the Naxalites operate in what is called the Red Corridor which ranges in the North from the border with Nepal through the mountains and jungles to the Southern state of Karnataka. Their own technical names were different during the decades with various underground communist groups fighting under different names but they have now come to be known as the CPI ( Maoist ) because they seek to bring an armed revolutionary change to India in the manner of Mao of China.
Supporters of the Hindutvadi right-wingers in central government currently in power, call the intellectuals and progressives in Indian cities as "Urban Naxals" so as to make it convenient for the right-wingers to foist "sedition" cases on these intellectuals and put them away in jail.
Left-wing activism in India ( not the underground Naxalism
) had stagnated after the 1980s but has seen a resurgence especially during and after 2016 through the activism and speeches of the student leaders of the JNU university in Delhi. Three of the most public of these then student leaders are Kanhaiya Kumar, Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid. All there have been harassed by right-wingers among Delhi Police, right-wing-sympathizing lawyers and even a woman judge. All three are now leaders in their own right. Another educational place where communism is resurgent is Jadavpur University in Calcutta ( Kolkata ) in West Bengal state.
After about three decades of stagnation left-wing activism in India is now resurgent in a few pockets, especially among the youth.
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“Karl Marx” by Fahmida Riaz
“Neither a messenger’s avatar, nor the guardian of the world
A human like me, with an agitated beard
He too was alive on the Earth, it is an ancient tale
He died since long, long time passed, that aged Christian
The cycle of fate remains, pieces of permanent birth
Are dancing in the circle, their faces changing
Everyone is busy, everyone has a life of their own
Every pauper is thinking in the world in his own way
The seeing eyes see what is going to happen
The fire is beating from east to west
He too stands at some turn of the path
Perhaps he sees how much dust has time spread
I saw this photo a hundred times, but now I stand still
I tremble after biting my lip, when I think for a moment
What a man was born…
So much have you left behind!
Wherever the sun rose tearing the black earth
Men took your name, restless
Time never stopped for anyone as it is, but this too has happened
The flying century stopped for a brief moment to turn, look at you
A human generation has thought about you often
A century has raised its hand to salute you.”
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“Karl Marx” by Fahmida Riaz
“Neither a messenger’s avatar, nor the guardian of the world
A human like me, with an agitated beard
He too was alive on the Earth, it is an ancient tale
He died since long, long time passed, that aged Christian
The cycle of fate remains, pieces of permanent birth
Are dancing in the circle, their faces changing
Everyone is busy, everyone has a life of their own
Every pauper is thinking in the world in his own way
The seeing eyes see what is going to happen
The fire is beating from east to west
He too stands at some turn of the path
Perhaps he sees how much dust has time spread
I saw this photo a hundred times, but now I stand still
I tremble after biting my lip, when I think for a moment
What a man was born…
So much have you left behind!
Wherever the sun rose tearing the black earth
Men took your name, restless
Time never stopped for anyone as it is, but this too has happened
The flying century stopped for a brief moment to turn, look at you
A human generation has thought about you often
A century has raised its hand to salute you.”
“What a man was born”: Reading Fahmida Riaz’s heartfelt tribute to Karl Marx on his 202nd birthday | The Express Tribune
Fahmida Riaz was one of the rare Pakistani intellectuals who publicly identified as a Marxist
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صاحب سرمایہ از نسل خلیل
یعنی آن پیغمبر بے جبرئيل
زانکہ حق در باطل او مضمر است
قلب او مومن دماغش کافر است
دین آن پیغمبر حق ناشناس
بر مساوات شکم دارد اساس
تا اخوت را مقام اندر دل است
بیخ او در دل نہ در آب و گل است
“The author of Das Kapital is the descendant of Khalil” (Ibrahim AS, i.e. Jewish)
That prophet who is not blessed with divine revelation brought by Jibreel
There is some truth concealed in his false line of thought
His heart seems to be a believer but disbeliever is his thought
The creed of that apostle devoid of the perceptions of the Truth.
Is based on equality of materialistic life (not spiritual Truth)
When fraternal feelings are established in the human heart
Their roots are also established in the heart and not in water and earth
Javid Nama, Iqbal
نیست پیغمبر و لیکن در بغل دارد کتاب!
کیا بتاؤں، کیا ہے، کافر کی نگاہ پردۂ سوز
مشرق و مغرب کی قوموں کے لیے روز حساب!
اس سے بڑھ کر اور کیا ہوگا طبیعت کا فساد
توڑ دی بندوں نے آقاؤں کے خیموں کی طناب!
“That Moses without Tajalli*(talk with Allah on Mt. Tur) that Christ without cross
He is not a prophet, but keeps the Book for specious appearance
How can I explain what that pagan’s eye will be
To the East and West nations on the Day of Judgement*(h)
No worse human nature’s mischief can there be
Than that the slaves have toppled the master’s tent*(i)[6]
زمام کار اگر مزدور کے ہاتھوں میں ہو تو پھر کیا!
طریق کوہکن میں بھی وہی حیلے ہیں پرویزی
جلال پادشاہی ہو کہ جمہوری تماشا ہو
جدا ہو دیں سیاست سے تو رہ جاتی ہے چنگیزی
“The transfer of political power to the proletariat will make no difference
The ways of the proletariat are the same as those of the bourgeoisie
It may be the majesty of kingship or the fun of democracy
If religion is separated from politics the latter becomes mere tyranny[7]
یہ علم و حکمت کی مہرہ بازی، یہ بحث و تکرار کی نمائش
نہیں ہے دنیا کو اب گوارا پرانے افکار کی نمائش
تری کتابوں میں اے حکیم معاش رکھا ہی کیا ہے آخر
خطوط خم دار کی نمائش، مریز و کج دار کی نمائش
جہاں مغرب کے بت کدوں میں، کلیساؤں میں، مدرسوں میں
ہوس کی خوں ریزیاں چھپاتی ہے عقل عیّارکی نمائش![8]
“The world does not like tricks and guiles of science and will not their contests
This age does not like ancient thought, from core of hearts their show detest.
O wise economist the books you write are quite devoid of useful aim
They have twisted lines with orders strange
No warmth for labour though they claim.
The idol houses of the West Their schools and churches wide:
The ravage caused for greed of wealth Their wily wit attempts to hide[9]
دست فطرت نے کیا ہے جن گریبانوں کو چاک
مزد کی منطق کی سوزن سے نہیں ہوتے زفو
کب ڈرا سکتے ہیں مجھ کو امشتراکی کوچہ گرد
یہ پریشاں روزگار، آشفتہ مغز، آشفتہ مو
ہے اگر مجھ کو خطر کوئي تو اس امت سے ہے
جس کی خاکستر میں ہے اب تک شرار آرزو
خال خال اس قوم میں ابتک نظر آتے ہیں
کرتے ہیں اشک سحر گاہی سے جو ظالم وضو
جانتا ہے جس پہ روشن باطن ایام ہے
مزد کیت فتنۂ فردا نہیں، اسلام ہے
“The collars to whom the Nature has torn The logic of Mazdak*(ancient Persian religion of shared property, etc.) to them cant.
Darn How can frighten me the socialist lads,
Since long jobless, confused and loafing fads
From that nation but I feel a threat grave,
Whose heart yet holds embers of crave. A few of them I espy in this nation yet,
At dawn who make wuzu *(k) with tear drops jet.
He knows on whom hidden times are bright That Islam not Mazdak*(j) is the future’s fright[10]
جذب حرم سے ہے فروغ انجمن حجاز کا
اس کا مقام اور ہے، اس کا نظام اور ہے
The splendour of the brotherhood of Hijaz depends upon the Haram (Ka’aba)
Its status is different, its system is different (to anything else)
یعنی آن پیغمبر بے جبرئيل
زانکہ حق در باطل او مضمر است
قلب او مومن دماغش کافر است
دین آن پیغمبر حق ناشناس
بر مساوات شکم دارد اساس
تا اخوت را مقام اندر دل است
بیخ او در دل نہ در آب و گل است
“The author of Das Kapital is the descendant of Khalil” (Ibrahim AS, i.e. Jewish)
That prophet who is not blessed with divine revelation brought by Jibreel
There is some truth concealed in his false line of thought
His heart seems to be a believer but disbeliever is his thought
The creed of that apostle devoid of the perceptions of the Truth.
Is based on equality of materialistic life (not spiritual Truth)
When fraternal feelings are established in the human heart
Their roots are also established in the heart and not in water and earth
Javid Nama, Iqbal
نیست پیغمبر و لیکن در بغل دارد کتاب!
کیا بتاؤں، کیا ہے، کافر کی نگاہ پردۂ سوز
مشرق و مغرب کی قوموں کے لیے روز حساب!
اس سے بڑھ کر اور کیا ہوگا طبیعت کا فساد
توڑ دی بندوں نے آقاؤں کے خیموں کی طناب!
“That Moses without Tajalli*(talk with Allah on Mt. Tur) that Christ without cross
He is not a prophet, but keeps the Book for specious appearance
How can I explain what that pagan’s eye will be
To the East and West nations on the Day of Judgement*(h)
No worse human nature’s mischief can there be
Than that the slaves have toppled the master’s tent*(i)[6]
زمام کار اگر مزدور کے ہاتھوں میں ہو تو پھر کیا!
طریق کوہکن میں بھی وہی حیلے ہیں پرویزی
جلال پادشاہی ہو کہ جمہوری تماشا ہو
جدا ہو دیں سیاست سے تو رہ جاتی ہے چنگیزی
“The transfer of political power to the proletariat will make no difference
The ways of the proletariat are the same as those of the bourgeoisie
It may be the majesty of kingship or the fun of democracy
If religion is separated from politics the latter becomes mere tyranny[7]
یہ علم و حکمت کی مہرہ بازی، یہ بحث و تکرار کی نمائش
نہیں ہے دنیا کو اب گوارا پرانے افکار کی نمائش
تری کتابوں میں اے حکیم معاش رکھا ہی کیا ہے آخر
خطوط خم دار کی نمائش، مریز و کج دار کی نمائش
جہاں مغرب کے بت کدوں میں، کلیساؤں میں، مدرسوں میں
ہوس کی خوں ریزیاں چھپاتی ہے عقل عیّارکی نمائش![8]
“The world does not like tricks and guiles of science and will not their contests
This age does not like ancient thought, from core of hearts their show detest.
O wise economist the books you write are quite devoid of useful aim
They have twisted lines with orders strange
No warmth for labour though they claim.
The idol houses of the West Their schools and churches wide:
The ravage caused for greed of wealth Their wily wit attempts to hide[9]
دست فطرت نے کیا ہے جن گریبانوں کو چاک
مزد کی منطق کی سوزن سے نہیں ہوتے زفو
کب ڈرا سکتے ہیں مجھ کو امشتراکی کوچہ گرد
یہ پریشاں روزگار، آشفتہ مغز، آشفتہ مو
ہے اگر مجھ کو خطر کوئي تو اس امت سے ہے
جس کی خاکستر میں ہے اب تک شرار آرزو
خال خال اس قوم میں ابتک نظر آتے ہیں
کرتے ہیں اشک سحر گاہی سے جو ظالم وضو
جانتا ہے جس پہ روشن باطن ایام ہے
مزد کیت فتنۂ فردا نہیں، اسلام ہے
“The collars to whom the Nature has torn The logic of Mazdak*(ancient Persian religion of shared property, etc.) to them cant.
Darn How can frighten me the socialist lads,
Since long jobless, confused and loafing fads
From that nation but I feel a threat grave,
Whose heart yet holds embers of crave. A few of them I espy in this nation yet,
At dawn who make wuzu *(k) with tear drops jet.
He knows on whom hidden times are bright That Islam not Mazdak*(j) is the future’s fright[10]
جذب حرم سے ہے فروغ انجمن حجاز کا
اس کا مقام اور ہے، اس کا نظام اور ہے
The splendour of the brotherhood of Hijaz depends upon the Haram (Ka’aba)
Its status is different, its system is different (to anything else)
IQBAL AND COMMUNISM
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Nice !
Firstly, we are all material creatures.
Secondly, when our reasonable material needs are sated easily, without saddening and unnecessary effort, we will get the time to be spiritual, to consider the cannot-be-ignored presence of Nature. I wonder what Yuri Gagarin's thoughts were when he found himself in space.
Thirdly, look at South Asia and its various oppressions and perversions against social harmony. Take honor killing for example. Why does a family kill its own child except for that family to continue to be extremely materialistically accepted in its immediate society ( a village, a town neighborhood ) ? South Asia, especially India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, with their extremely "religious" bent of mind, are quite far from being Spiritual.
Fourthly, the article you have linked seems to present Iqbal as a staunch opponent of the Russian revolution and the resultant communist thought it seeked to adopt. But please again read this thread of mine from 2016 which speaks of Iqbal as being sympathetic to communism, or rather as the article says, the development of modern Islamic socialism.
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