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[ghazi52]

 

[fisher1]

indian hindus are worst than chinese as they not only do shirk but also commit blasphemy openly everyday,I have not seen such level of comments against our Holy Personalities by chinese like what indian hindus use and is more evident from their comments in social media these days

You're right about that. I agree completely as I've seen them defecate on YouTube.

However, don't be so sure. Chinese can't access YouTube and the social media that's available to us. God knows what they say on their social platforms especially since the state mood is anti-Islam.

I'll give them benefit of the doubt and agree with you on that though. Can't judge something I've not seen evidence of.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@fitpOsitive

Can you throw light on this? I often read news articles of Pakistani Hindus turning up at Rajasthan border yearning for Indian citizenship. Is it typical Indian media lies or is there a germ of truth in it?

- PRTP GWD

 

[fitpOsitive]

@fitpOsitive

Can you throw light on this? I often read news articles of Pakistani Hindus turning up at Rajasthan border yearning for Indian citizenship. Is it typical Indian media lies or is there a germ of truth in it?

- PRTP GWD

People of Thar area are extremely poor due to absence of agriculture and industry(its a desert area). There is big population of Hindus as well there. So these people usually you see crossing boarder and go to greener areas of India. Muslims of these areas don't have any option like India, as they possess big lands over there, and they simply are not ready to leave all that. The people you see in media are usually lower cast Hindus. Upper cast Hindus usually go to cities of Pakistan or they go to USA or Europe just like any other citizen of Pakistan.

 

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Sir Why don't we ask Iran to handover him to us?

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

How many Chess Players ISI has produced!!
Let Me answer the Q, None.

But it still plans and do the "Chitrol" of RAW and IA very successfully.

For all it's reputation, what has ISI done for Pakistan?

Prevented secession of East Pakistan? No.

Took control of Srinagar side of Kashmir? No.

Prevented the harmful project of CPEC? No.

Won the Soviet-Afghan war? But that was for US.

For all it's reputation, what has ISI done for Pakistan?

- PRTP GWD

 

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@AgNoStiC MuSliM is it a new feature?

 

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@AgNoStiC MuSliM is it a new feature?

What is? No clue.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

What is? No clue.

That warning above the post

 

[jamahir]

humbl., welcome back from the ban.

I am replying in this "Whatever" thread because I don't want to participate in that thread.

The answer is quite simple - we discard Socialism because it doesn't work, look at South Korea and Singapore - both are capitalistic have one of the highest social mobility in the world; with 17% of children born to parents in the bottom half of educational attainment ending up in the top quarter. Where do Jamhiriyya states stand?

To start the discussion let me quote from the Chinese member @TaiShang's thread from 2015, though the date in the text should be 1969 :

In 1967 Colonel Gaddafi inherited one of the poorest nations in Africa; by the time he was assassinated, he had transformed Libya into Africa’s richest nation. Prior to the US-led bombing campaign in 2011, Libya had the highest Human Development Index, the lowest infant mortality and the highest life expectancy in all of Africa.

For over four decades, Gaddafi promoted economic democracy and used the nationalized oil wealth to sustain progressive social welfare programs for all Libyans. Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans.

There are other things like free electricity and free water delivered by the world's largest irrigation system called The Great Man Made River which had thousands of kilometers of concrete pipelines delivering ancient fresh water from under the desert sands to the cities.

Coming to Gaddafi, if he was "democratic" then why he refused to abdicate in the face of mounting opposition

1. How could he abdicate when he was not the President or held any other top government post at all ?? He had resigned from the role of "President" in the 70s and then on was merely called Guide of the Revolution.

2. There was no mass mounting opposition. Yes, there was small rebellion in one or two cities like Benghazi early in 2011 but most Libyans were not opposing. NATO leaders worked overtime to produce "proof" that Gaddafi "loyalist" military was bombing "civilians including women and children" but that was disproven in UNO Security Council by Russian satellite photos. And those later stories of Gaddafi "loyalist" soldiers being supplied with viagra to rape women - all nonsense of the same type as Saddam imminently about to fire WMDs at Europe.

3. The few rebels in early 2011 opposing government forces were the pre-2011 local terrorist groups like LIFG who were then in 2011 supported by Al Qaeda.

4. I don't remember the months now but in 2011, during the middle of this international war ( NATO was bombing by then ) there was a huge gathering in Green Square, Tripoli in which most of Tripoli's residents gathered in support of Gaddafi and the Jamahiriya system, waving the Green Flag.

if I can't change the head of state in a country democratically then my friend it's not a democracy at all.

The Libyan Jamahiriya was a Direct Democracy Socialism system in which there was no President or Prime Minister or even Parties and the people ruled directly. This was similar to the "Swaraj" system being promoted in India by AAP and Swaraj Abhiyan movement but with socialism. I will quote from taishang's thread again :

Contrary to popular belief, Libya, which western media routinely described as “Gaddafi’s military dictatorship” was in actual fact one of the world’s most democratic States.

Under Gaddafi’s unique system of direct democracy, traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses.

Far from control being in the hands of one man, Libya was highly decentralized and divided into several small communities that were essentially “mini-autonomous States” within a State. These autonomous States had control over their districts and could make a range of decisions including how to allocate oil revenue and budgetary funds. Within these mini autonomous States, the three main bodies of Libya’s democracy were Local Committees, Basic People’s Congresses and Executive Revolutionary Councils.

The Basic People’s Congress (BPC), or Mu’tamar shaʿbi asāsi was essentially Libya’s functional equivalent of the House of Commons in the United Kingdom or the House of Representatives in the United States. However, Libya’s People’s Congress was not comprised merely of elected representatives who discussed and proposed legislation on behalf of the people; rather, the Congress allowed all Libyans to directly participate in this process. Eight hundred People’s Congresses were set up across the country and all Libyans were free to attend and shape national policy and make decisions over all major issues including budgets, education, industry, and the economy.

In 2009, Gaddafi invited the New York Times to Libya to spend two weeks observing the nation’s direct democracy. The New York Times, that has traditionally been highly critical of Colonel Gaddafi’s democratic experiment, conceded that in Libya, the intention was that

“everyone is involved in every decision…Tens of thousands of people take part in local committee meetings to discuss issues and vote on everything from foreign treaties to building schools.”

The fundamental difference between western democratic systems and the Libyan Jamahiriya’s direct democracy is that in Libya all citizens were allowed to voice their views directly – not in one parliament of only a few hundred wealthy politicians – but in hundreds of committees attended by tens of thousands of ordinary citizens. Far from being a military dictatorship, Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa’s most prosperous democracy.

On numerous occasions Mr. Gaddafi’s proposals were rejected by popular vote during Congresses and the opposite was approved and enacted as legislation.

For instance, on many occasions Mr. Gaddafi proposed the abolition of capital punishment and he pushed for home schooling over traditional schools. However, the People’s Congresses wanted to maintain the death penalty and classic schools, and the will of the People’s Congresses prevailed. Similarly, in 2009, Colonel Gaddafi put forward a proposal to essentially abolish the central government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. The People’s Congresses rejected this idea too.

Unlike in the West, Libyans did not vote once every four years for a President and an invariably wealthy local parliamentarian who would then make all decisions for them. Ordinary Libyans made decisions regarding foreign, domestic and economic policy themselves.

For how the Jamahiriya theory aka The Third Universal Theory actually looks please read The Green Book here. Though not entirely this, even Elon Musk says that Direct Democracy should be the political system for near-future Mars colonies.

And Libya's wealth and influence was not only supporting Libyans but was also supporting liberation movements across the world, like the FARC of Columbia and IRA in Britain. Libya, actually Gaddafi, had the idea of creating a United States of Africa. There was some progress towards creating a common fund bank for Africa and a new currency called Gold Dinar for all Muslim-majority countries.

When Mandela was released from jail, the first foreign trip he made was to Libya to thank Libya and Gaddafi for supporting the ANC during its struggle against the Apartheid rule. Watch this short vid about Mandela defending on American TV his friendship with Gaddafi.

Finally, take time and watch this vid which is Gaddafi's speech in the UNO General Assembly in 2009 where he speaks of various political problems in the world and provides solutions.

There are a quite a few reasons why NATO wanted Gaddafi removed and the Jamahiriya destroyed. Oil is not the main issue.

 

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[Pakistani Fighter]

Is it Osprey?