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Ok here goes. Sorry for the delay.
This says/explains it different. Greater clarity.
http://www.nihcr.edu.pk/Latest_English_Journal/The_British_Advent.pdf
The only real fight your guys put up against the British was Mir Mehrab, Khan of Kalat in 1839. After his death in the fighting,
"with the passage of time, theBritish involvement increased and they gradually attained and strengthened their control in Balochistan through further treaties, military expeditions and intrigues. They installed a teenager, Shahnawaz Khan, a distant relative of Mehrab Khan as the new ruler with Lt. Loveday as Regent and started the dismemberment of Balochistan by giving Quetta and Mastung to Shah Shuja and Kacchi to the rulers of Sindh. But as soon as the British forces left Kalat the tribal sardars revolted and Nasir Khan II (1840-1857), son of Mehrab Khan was enthroned.
By signing a treaty on October 6, 1841, the Khan of Kalat agreed that the British Government would station troops in Kalat, control its foreign relations and rule the State with the British Resident. Within the next few years, the British had annexed Sindh (1843) and the Punjab (1849) and now there was hardly any possibility for the Khan to look for a potential ally in the neighbourhood."
Sure does not sound like any degree of freedom or autonomy to me.
Do you understand what this means?
The Afghans fought and drove the British back (post the First Anglo Afghan War). The Russians made no headway. The French were finished post Waterloo. The Sikhs did not buckle, even post Ranjit Singh's death. The Maratha were fighting the British on the mainland.
The British got the foothold they needed in the northwest. And they hardly had to fight for it.
Bro I have researched him. His claim to fame is as a two bit machinator and intrigue expert in the region to get one side to fight the other. And he paid the Marathas to do his fighting for him. Which they were anyways going to do with or without his money. SO WHY NOT WITH???? WHO USED WHOM? LOL What was so great about this Muslim Chanakya? Are you gloating over the fact that he could not fight or conquer on his own and needed hired muscle or that the Maratha (on their way anyways to expand beyond Delhi to the North West) were part of the hired muscle?
Please. Do you see the region he controlled? The Punjab was his play area. The Maratha held the entire subcontinent by then. Time to get real and cease the vicarious kicks and thrills?
Maratha conquest of North-west India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The relevant bits for the discussion and to put Dina Beg into perspective vis-a-vis the Marathas .....
The Maratha Peshwa Balaji Baji Rao sent his brother
Raghunath Rao along with Shamsher Bahadur, Gangadhar Tatya, Sakharambapu, Naroshankar and Maujiram Bania and a large army towards Delhi and Punjab. They were accompanied by
Malhar Rao Holkar of
Malwa who had a long experience of
North India and its rulers. The
Marathas captured Delhi in August 1757. They decisively defeated the Rohillas and Afghans near Delhi in 1758. The defeat was so decisive that Najib Khan surrendered to the Marathas and became their prisoner.
Initial campaign of Sirhind
In Punjab,
Adina Beg Khan, along with
Sikhs was already in revolt with
Ahmad Shah Abdali who had invaded
Punjab multiple times. He decided to call Marathas for help. On 7 March,
Raghunathrao had encamped at
Rajpura where he received
Adina Beg Khan’s envoys, and was informed that the latter, accompanied by 15,000 Sikh fighters, belonging to the bands (the jathas) of Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and Baba Ala Singh of Patiala had closed upon Sirhind from the other side of
Satluj. A concerted attack on the fort of
Sirhind was made by the
Marathas and their associates on 8 March 1758. Ahmad Samad Khan, with his 10,000 Afghan troops, held out for about two weeks before his capitulation on 21 March. After the victory, the town was thoroughly sacked by the victors.
After defeating the Afghan-Rohilla forces, the Marathas pursued the Afghans into the Punjab.
Further conquest of North-west: Battle of Attock, 1758 and
Battle of Peshawar
The fall of Sirhind alarmed
Timur Shah Durrani and Jahan Khan at Lahore. The Afghan chiefs lost their heart and fled to
Peshawar, leaving behind their troops in Lahore under Aziz Khan.
On 20 April 1758, Malharrao Holkar and Raghunathrao attacked and conquered Lahore.
Tukoji Holkar conquered Multan, Dera Ghazi Khan, Kashmir, Attock and Peshawar by 8 May 1758. Thus, by May 1758,
Timur Shah Durrani, the son of Ahmad Shah Durrani was ousted and
the Afghans were chased beyond the Khyber pass. Thereafter
a strong body of Maratha troops, commanded by Datta Patel was left on the bank of Indus to protect the Indian borders from Afghan intruders before
Raghunathrao and
Adina Beg Khan returned to
Lahore with the bulk of their armies. Tukoji Holkar with 10,000 Maratha soldiers in
Peshawar, Narsoji Pandit with 4000 Maratha troops at
Attock, Babuji Trimbak with 6000 Maratha troops at
Multan and Nekaji Bhosle with 3000 Maratha troops in
Dera Ghazi Khan were posted to guard the strategically important forts.
Their conquest of the north-west has a special importance in Indian history, particularly Hindu history since, after nearly seven and a half centuries when the last Hindu King of the region Trilochan Pal Shahi had been defeated by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1020 C.E., Indus river came under Hindu rule due to the Maratha conquest of Punjab in 1758. This campaign of the Marathas led by Raghunath Rao is hailed as Raghu's Bharari - i.e. whirlwind campaign in Maharashtra even today.
I said "cross continental campaigns." Do you see the region in saffron. That was Maratha Empire/Confederacy. Do you know where the power base was? In modern day Maharashtra. From there they launched campaigns across the subcontinent. They were overland campaigns. Not just the guerrilla warfare and raids their fighting started off as in Chhatrapati Shivaji's times.
You know less than nothing of Maratha battle tactics and formations. As a military enthusiast you should either research and read, or shut up. The Maratha in the west were as good guerilla (I'll ignore the juvenile racist misspelling) warriors as the Afghans were in the north west. Using the land and the elements and their mobility and speed and hardiness and frugality and toughness as part of their weaponry. Remember what I told you a long time ago. War is about killing the enemy and not getting killed. Its not about looking brave and gallant and heroic while doing it.
If you are as delusional to imagine that the Maratha captured the subcontinent by pure guerrilla tactics and warfare, and not open battlefield formations and military campaigns, including cavalry and artillery and fortified strongholds, then we would unnecessarily be wasting each others time as fighting men. We were the masters of siege, something taught to this day in the Indian Army.
And yes, we are
the oldest and one of the most decorated Indian Army regiments. We take our fighting very seriously, and very to heart.
The Maratha were
never conquered. Never occupied. Please read your history. All you would know is the history of Maratha butchering the Mughals. That was just ONE part of Maratha history. The Maratha are a warrior race going back 2000 years.
We had no special love for the Sikh to be honest. Pashtuns I told you. Outsiders, as long as stay in their place, not a botheration now. In the past, we routed them in battle and chased them beyond the Khyber Pass. 1857 was not funny. But that done now. The Gurkhas and the Maratha actually fight together today. The only mixed Gurkha Non-Gurkha regiment incidentally.
No I cannot. Because the resident overwhelmingly dominant power on the sub continent were the Maratha. The Mughals had been finished by us by then. The Pashtuns routed and pushed back across the Khyber Pass.
You have Anglo Maratha Wars. You have Anglo Sikh Wars. You have Anglo Afghan Wars.
You fight someone who holds territory and fight back. You do not fight historical has beens.
Always. Do share.
This part is you losing it a bit so we shall put it aside and have a nice discussion as adults.
Btw, the Baloch never fought under the British? Never joined the British Indian Army?
Please man ....
1st Baloch
2nd Baloch
10th Baloch
126th Baloch
127th Baluch Light Infantry
129th Duke of Connaught's Own Baluchis
Also, coming back to the Maratha and the Baloch, there is a road in my city. It is named KAHUN ROAD. Do you know why? What is the military significance? You should know .....
The Marri and Bugti are nothing but Baloch tribes made up of the progeny of the Maratha prisoners of war after the Third Battle of Panipat. Taken to Afghanistan and some to Balochistan as slaves. And then who settled on the land.
The Lost Maratha as they are now known as. So
@save_ghenda was right after all. I though he was trolling at the time.
Funny no? Maratha on Maratha in Balochistan. LOL
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