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[IrbiS]

I Doubt @jamahir is a "billa"(cat)

Which one? @jamahir

 

[jamahir]

Which one? @jamahir

i am he...

 

[jamahir]

present day DPRK society is as divided among 'class' as any other 'capitalist' nation, the elite 'professor' class brahmin, anyone ?

then obviously they must not stagnate as a single-party-driven privilege-based authoritarian society... i will not present excuses for drpk but just say that they must move further towards true communism by bringing to their citizens direct-democracy where each citizen politically participates to his or her fullest, from locality level to society level... they must adopt "green book" of which there was even a soviet edition.

the 'elite' live in pyonyang, but they're worse off than even the lower middle class/poor in India/Pakistan etc, 0 personal freedom, they're state owned bots that serve and worship a fat brat

i will not say it is like you describe... watch the famous ( at least among those following the 2011 events ) morris herman interview harpal brar, who was in 2011 chairman of the british communist party ( ml )... mr. harpal has visited dprk and speaks of that here...

and this ( Nile Bowie: Understanding North Korea ) is a neutral look at dprk society by nile bowie, another western gentleman who has become famous since 2011

and this ( stimmekoreas - YouTube ) is the yt channel of kai, a german young gentleman who has i think visited dprk by now ( he was planning that in 2012 )... and he seems to have become a admirer of dprk.

this society deserves respect.

there has always been inequality, even in Jesus' and Muhammed's time

yes, there was inequality then and they did what they did to simplify society and remove many inequalities... but their revolutions were not complete... they were ideal or perfect for their times but they are not for the immediate future we have... for example, money system continued to remain in islam, though simplified... but money system must be abolished in the immediate future, so that is a contradiction between those whose who want to follow the precise wording of the economics in quran and those muslims ( like me ) who want to abolish economics itself and see islam as a living/continuing revolution that will at some point meld into a truly scientific society ( communism ).

and the early versions of Islam and Christianity are 'socialist', right ?

yes, my belief and also of the west asian and african socialists.

and in your utopian jamahiria people could just throw their mattress into anyone's courtyard and claim ownership, yeah ?

not "anyone's"... that is exaggeration... i had quoted that from a brazilian journalist's account from 1979, just ten years after the 1969 al-fatah revolution.

since the libyan "government" was still building homes for the homeless or needy in 1979, the thrower of the mattress would have been able to claim a house if it was (a). a house and unoccupied, maybe the second home of a pre-revolution wealthy person, (b). a non-critical building like embassy or hotel ( perhaps ), non-critical compared to a homeless or needy family... in the latter case, the "owners" would have been properly compensated or cared for.

harmony is what was being achieved... how can one party be made happy at the cost of another, when the second party can be easily cared for by the system... all must be made happy to the maximum extent possible.

 

[fatman17]

Ask the people

 

[fatman17]

Christian footballer kicking down barriers in Pakistan

Minorities are often targetted in Pakistan but a Christian girl from Karachi ended up playing football for the country.

Hafsa Adil | 30 Mar 2015

Karachi, Pakistan - A slender, athletic teenage girl enters the premises of St Lawrence’s church, Karachi, and is promptly mobbed by dozens of kids gathered there for football practice.

Non-muslim who wore the Pakistan flag

Hockey: Peter P Fernandes, Milton D’Mello, Jack Britto, Rony Gardner, Gordon Vaz, Gerry Barboza


Cricket: Wallis Mathias, Duncan Sharpe, Khalid “Billy” Ibadulla, Antao D’Souza, Sohail Fazal, Anil Dalpat, Rusi Dinshaw, Danish Kaneria, Mohammad Yousuf


Football: Michael Masih, Nomi M Gill


Badminton: Mennen Soares


Table tennis: Michael Rodrigues


Snooker: Naveen Perwani


Sailing: Byram D Avari, Goshpi Avari

Proudly donning the green and white Pakistan training kit, this was Joyann Geraldine Thomas who became the first female Christian to play football for Pakistan.

She made her international debut in November 2014, shortly after turning 17. The game, or her debut, barely received the attention associated with an international fixture.

But nearly a thousand miles across from Islamabad’s Jinnah International Stadium, her presence in the middle of the field was the culmination of dreams for a single working mother, a passionate young Catholic coach and a veteran footballer-turned-guru.

Lack of minorities on the field

According to official statistics, Pakistani Christians form the second largest minority community at 1.6% of the country’s total population.

There have been instances of minority representation in Pakistan’s sports history but they have been few and far between. And the numbers have dropped in the last two decades. Thomas is also wary of the growing intolerance towards minorities in Pakistan.

In the past three years, there have been at least 38 targeted attacks on the Christian community and over 200 lives have been lost.

Two suicide attacks at Lahore churches killed at least 14 in March.

Ten days before she made her debut, a Christian couple was lynched over allegations of desecrating pages of the Quran.

Joyann has been backed all the way by her mother [Al Jazeera]

Even Thomas’ mother, a former track and field athlete, faced a bitter end to her budding career. She was denied the opportunity to run in the provincial finals due to religious discrimination.

“My mother has never let her own disappointment get in the way of my career,” Thomas told Al Jazeera.

She hugged and high-fived the boys and girls of Laurentian Football Club (LFC), which is part of the century-old parish located in one of Karachi’s old neighbourhoods, Garden East.

“This is where it all started for me when I was five. At the beginning, this was a boys-only club. But girls were also encouraged to play by our coach Khayyam Juma.”

 

[WAJsal]

well, i was just being sincere is suggesting, since you tagged a few people in the same sincere spirit.

One point for sincerity.

Which one? @jamahir

What happened here?

 

[IrbiS]

What happened here?

read last 2 pages and picture would be clear

i am he...

Here you are

 

[WAJsal]

Omg @levina , had no idea.

 

[WAJsal]

This is so funny , @IrbiS , @Pomegranate , @utraash , @Georgeclark ,@levina .......

 

[Armstrong]

@SvenSvensonov @Nihonjin1051 @Gabriel92 @AndrewJin @Víðarr - Have I introduced you guys to the Founder of Pakistan ?

It would be my request to you guys to get a copy of the movie 'Jinnah' directed by Jamil Dehlavi and written by Akbar S Ahmed. It is historically accurate as its written by a Historian and Anthropologist. Plus its in English and it stars Christoper Lee as the Founder of Pakistan.

If you'd rather watch it on Youtube; here is a low quality version of it :

But if you guys really want to understand who we Pakistanis are...this movie is a must because it is a movie about Muhammad Ali Jinnah - Our Father; who was the best thing about Pakistan and Pakistanis !

 

[IrbiS]

^^^^^^^^^

Nice pics

 

[AndrewJin]

@SvenSvensonov @Nihonjin1051 @Gabriel92 @AndrewJin @Víðarr - Have I introduced you guys to the Founder of Pakistan ?

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It would be my request to you guys to get a copy of the movie 'Jinnah' directed by Jamil Dehlavi and written by Akbar S Ahmed. It is historically accurate as its written by a Historian and Anthropologist. Plus its in English and it stars Christoper Lee as the Founder of Pakistan.

If you'd rather watch it on Youtube; here is a low quality version of it :

But if you guys really want to understand who we Pakistanis are...this movie is a must because it is a movie about Muhammad Ali Jinnah - Our Father; who was the best thing about Pakistan and Pakistanis !

I know this great man!

 

[Víðarr]

@SvenSvensonov @Nihonjin1051 @Gabriel92 @AndrewJin @Víðarr - Have I introduced you guys to the Founder of Pakistan ?

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It would be my request to you guys to get a copy of the movie 'Jinnah' directed by Jamil Dehlavi and written by Akbar S Ahmed. It is historically accurate as its written by a Historian and Anthropologist. Plus its in English and it stars Christoper Lee as the Founder of Pakistan.

If you'd rather watch it on Youtube; here is a low quality version of it :

But if you guys really want to understand who we Pakistanis are...this movie is a must because it is a movie about Muhammad Ali Jinnah - Our Father; who was the best thing about Pakistan and Pakistanis !

'Merica's founder

Modern day Russia's founder is Putin, according to himself, but I like this guy better.

@SvenSvensonov @Nihonjin1051 @Gabriel92 @AndrewJin @Víðarr - Have I introduced you guys to the Founder of Pakistan ?

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It would be my request to you guys to get a copy of the movie 'Jinnah' directed by Jamil Dehlavi and written by Akbar S Ahmed. It is historically accurate as its written by a Historian and Anthropologist. Plus its in English and it stars Christoper Lee as the Founder of Pakistan.

If you'd rather watch it on Youtube; here is a low quality version of it :

But if you guys really want to understand who we Pakistanis are...this movie is a must because it is a movie about Muhammad Ali Jinnah - Our Father; who was the best thing about Pakistan and Pakistanis !

How do you think he would feel about modern day Pakistan?

 

[Georgeclark]

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How do you think he would feel about modern day Pakistan?

Question worth asking....... (Good one)

 

[IrbiS]

How do you think he would feel about modern day Pakistan?

He had some idea what our shitty leadership would turn out to be. We'll be ashamed if he saw us today but he would be more ashamed

So let the Great Man sleep for good

Now it's starting to look like, we're getting back on track