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CLASSIFIED: Why we’ll never see dead Osama bin Laden | Veterans Today

What really happened?

By Raqib Shah

We need to look at the facts, use common sense and everything becomes crystal clear. For example, to prove that Osama bin Laden was killed at the compound in Abbottabad,the easiest way is to take the DNA test of the blood on the floor of the compound.

What we all know


* August 2010: Pakistan shares with US some details about the compound in Abbottabad.US gathers intelligence that the compound is occupied by Osama’s children.
* Jan 27: Raymond Davis, the CIA Station Chief in Pakistan gets an audio file and some pictures of Pak military installations at Tarbela from an informer in Lahore. On the wayback he is pursued by two ISI contractors. He realizes that he is being followed and shotsboth followers in the back. He is arrested by Pakistani police.
* March 16: Raymond Davis is released and he shares the information he had gathered with the CIA.
* March 17: General Kayani starts criticizing drone attacks in public statements
* First Week of April: News started circling that General Petraeus is being transferred toCIA.
* April 5: Obama Administration submits a report to the Congress that Pakistan government has no clear strategy to triumph over militants. This is followed by a concerted international media campaign which puts enormous pressure on Pakistani Military and ISI.
* April 7: Bruce Riedel, former CIA officer and White House advisor writes a report arguing that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not only a deterrent to India but also to USA.
* April 8: General Kayani meets with Centcom Chief Gen James Mattis.
* April 18: On Pakistan’s Geo TV, Adm. Michael Mullen said Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence “has a longstanding relationship with the Haqqani Network. That doesn’t mean everybody in the ISI, but it’s there.”
* April 20: Adm. Mike Mullen meets with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Khalid Shameem Wynne and General Kayani.
* April 22: News appears that Pakistan has taken back Shamsi Airbase back from CIA, US forces.
* April 26: Washington critically attacks Pakistan Army’s counter-terrorism efforts.April 26: General Petraeus met with General Kayani.
* April 26: Meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC) is held at Rawalpindi,one week ahead of schedule at the Joint Staff Headquarters
* April 27: Wall Street Journal reports that Pakistan is trying to wean Afghanistan away from the United States and draw it into China’s orbit.
* April 28: Obama signs General Petraeus’ transfer to CIA.
* April 29: Obama signs the orders to attack the Abbottabad compounds.
* April 30: General Kayani gave a veiled threat in his Youm-e-Shuhada address:“Pakistan is a peace-loving country and wants friendly relations with other countries and our every step should move towards prosperity of the people. But we will notcompromise our dignity and honour for it”.
* May 1: Four US choppers flew from Afghanistan. Reaching Abbottabad they attacked a secure compound which housed some important Al Qaeda members. A gun battle soon ensued. Within minutes a Pakistani military helicopters flew from Tarbela, reaching the compound in Abbottabad few minutes later. In the meanwhile US forces had torched one of their own choppers. The four choppers (three US and one Pak) took off from the compound and flew to Afghanistan. Incidentally, this time none of them followed a low altitude flight. They were quite visible on Pakistani radars.


What we all should know

In August 2010 after Pakistani authorities shared intelligence with US about the compound in Abbottabad. US after its own intelligence gathering ascertains that the compound is occupied by Osama’s children. Compound surveillance continues through the next year in anticipation of capturing Osama bin Laden. In January 2011 the young CIA contractor who is give the charge of Pakistan Station Chief works “extra hard” to gather clandestine information related to ISI and Al Qaeda relationship.

The contractor,now infamous as Raymond Davis the “American Rambo” receives a call from one of his assets, early morning on January 27 about a high value target. But the asset refuses to lay out details on phone or to leave the Lahore city, where he had gone underground.Raymond Davis hires a rent a car and drives to Lahore, while his security detail followshim in a bullet proof Land Cruiser.

Raymond Davis is able to loose his Islamabad’s ISI“detail” by leaving in unmarked rent a car. The ISI agents falling for his trap follow the embassy’s Land Cruiser. Raymond Davis arrives at Lahore one hour earlier than his detail and meets with the asset. The asset gives him some pictures of an intelligence building at Tarbela and recording of a phone call. Listening the phone call Raymond Davis realizes the gold mine he had struck and immediately calls his security detail which had also reached Lahore, knowing if ISI reaches him first, he would not leave Lahore alive.

Next hour when the security car catches up with Raymond Davis, the ISI bosses realizes that Raymond Davis had give them a slip earlier in the morning and in the couple of hours he had in Lahore, he might have got some important information. Resultantly,they put two contractors on his tail. Raymond Davis seeing a tail fears the worse and shoots them both in the back, at a traffic stop, without logically realizing that there was no way ISI could have know what he was holding.

His security detail which was close behind rushed to his “rescue” however, by the police had chased and arrested him, while the security Land Cruiser running over pedestrians escapes towards US embassy compound in Islamabad. ISI officers quickly reach the scene and confiscating the memory sticks realize Raymond Davis has unearthed a deep secret which even their immediate bosses didn’t know about.

The sensitivity of information rattles the entire echelons of the ISI and even its own officers are sent under house arrest while the relevant cell steps forward. At that time even some of the top intelligence officers of the secretive ISI outside the relevant cell did not know that Osama bin Laden had died and his body was kept frozen at Tarbela. Young Raymond Davis had unearthed the biggest secret of the century, somehow. But now the Pandora’s Box had been opened. Pak top brass knew it had only a few days or weeks at best to capitalize Raymond Davis’ arrest before US get the intel.

In the next six weeks Pakistan plugs all leaks related to Osama’s death and makes sure that maximum gains are made for Raymond’s release. However,when Raymond Davis is released on March 16, his debriefing results in a tsunami of US policy, personal agendas and fueling of political rivalries. Everyone in the US chain of command now wanted to use the information to further personal goals from General

Petreaus to President Obama. On March 17, knowing that Pakistan had lost its trump card General Pervaiz Kayani releases a press statement in which he critically criticize drone attacks, first from him. From then on Pak Military raised its stance against drone attacks, fearing that US now might target its nuclear assets. While in USA politics was at its full swing. General Petreaus wanted to get the buckle for Osama bin Laden’s death on his belt for his future political ambitions, while President Obama wanted the credit to help is sliding popularity. While the tussle continued, the other issue still pending was how to confirm Osama’s death.

In the next one month, nearly every week a top US official visited Pakistan, everyone meeting with General Kayani trying to convince him to hand over Osama’s body. While the stance from Pakistan remained, “Osama, Who?” It was a first in the history that so many US top officials had visited and met with a military chief of a foreign country in such a short time. Seeing nothing getting through the top military brass of Pakistan, US started a political and media campaign on the sides to put extra pressure on Pak Military.

Politics within Obama Administration was also at its full swing. Petraeus was pulling all the strings to take the credit, while trying to lay out a plan to get Osama bin Laden’s body out of Pakistan. President Obama on the other hand in one smooth move decided to “promote” Petraeus to the head of the CIA. The news got out in the first week of April that Petraeus was being transferred to the CIA. While at the main front, Obama continued to pressurize General Kayani and General Pasha and one April 5, Obama Administration submitted a report to the Congress that Pakistan government had no clear strategy to triumph over militants. Alongside the report the media campaign against Pak Military and the ISI continued.

The second week of April began with a bang for top Pak Military brass. On April 7, Bruce Riedel, former CIA officer and White House advisor wrote a report arguing that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not only a deterrent to India but also to USA. The obvious had now become clear that Obama Administration has indirectly sent a clear threat to Pakistan’s nuclear assets. The timing of the report was perfect with Centcom Chief Gen James Mattis meeting with General Kayani next day. In the meeting General Mattis asked about Pakistan’s cooperation in capturing Osama bin Laden.

This was ironically one of typical Hollywood thriller scene. Pakistan knew that US knew that Pakistan knows that US knows that Osama is dead. But Pakistan continued the naive game of “Osama Who?” while US continued to play the game that “Osama must be captured”. General Mattis leaves with veiled threats and stresses that Pakistan must do more to against the Al Qaeda and Taliban, or indirectly saying that Osama bin Laden must be handed over.

For the ten days US waits and sees how Pakistan responds to the threats, but Pakistan acts by burying its head in the sand – see no evil, hear no evil. Obama Administration ups the ante and on April 18 on Pakistan’s Geo TV, Adm. Michael Mullen said Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence “has a longstanding relationship with the Haqqani Network.That doesn’t mean everybody in the ISI, but it’s there.” Again, international media had its field day against Pakistan’s ISI and its links with Taliban and the ISI.

After putting pressure on General Kayani, Adm. Mike Mullen meets with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Khalid Shameem Wynne and General Kayani on April 20.Admiral Mullen again demands indirectly that Pakistan needs to help USA in locating Osama bin Laden. Pakistan’s response was again, “Osama, Who?” Admiral Mullen however, left with another threat that if they came to know about Osama bin Laden’s location they would go ahead and take unilateral action. This is the same message which President Obama repeated in his announcement of Osama bin Laden’s death, when he said, “We will take actions in Pakistan, if we knew where he was.”

In response to continued threats from USA Pakistan starts taking back its air bases from US in an attempt to avoid launching of any operation from its own soil. As a result on April 22 the news appears that Pakistan had taken back Shamsi Airbase back from CIA,US forces. While Obama Administration was piling pressure on Pakistan, General Petraeus visited Pakistan on April 26 and met with General Kayani openly asking him to hand over Osama bin Laden, otherwise get ready to face the consequences. Same day Washington also critically attacked Pakistan Army’s counter-terrorism efforts. General Petraeus left with a clear message that unless Pakistan hands over Osama, US forces would be forces to take action over Pakistani soil. Pakistani Military knowing that US knew that Osama bin Laden was dead couldn’t understand Obama Administration’s continued stance on capturing Osama bin Laden. General Petraeus left with the ultimatum that either Pakistan handed over Osama or US would get him.

Same day meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC) is held at Rawalpindi,one week ahead of schedule at the Joint Staff Headquarters. The top brass discusses the Osama issue and decision is reached to work out the Obama’s strategy leading to continuous threats for capturing Osama bin Laden alive, even after knowing that he was dead. While in Pakistan intelligence community starts using all of its sources to reach to the bottom of US’ demand of capturing Osama bin Laden. On April 28 President Obama signs General Petraeus’ transfer to CIA and next day signs the orders to attack the Abbottabad compounds. Thus Osama bin Laden’s credit is assured to President Obama.

On 29 April after President Obama signed the orders to “bring back” Osama bin Laden,Pakistani security agencies get a report that another order had been signed which had authorized US forces to neutralize Pakistan’s nuclear assets, if needed. The report was nothing short of seeing a death angel for the top Pak Military brass.

Seeing the imminent threat, General Kayani tried his last shot when on 30 April 2011 he clearly stated in his Youm-e-Shuhada address: “Pakistan is a peace-loving country and wants friendly relations with other countries and our every step should move towards prosperity of the people. But we will not compromise our dignity and honour for it”.However, it didn’t stop what was about to come 24 hours later.

As night fell on Sunday, 1 May four choppers from a US Afghan base at a low altitude towards its destination in Abbottabad, to the same compound where Osama’s children were in the hiding. Without any detection courtesy of their latest stealth technology and Pakistan’s outdated technology the choppers continued over the Pakistani territory.Ironically, ten years ago a Pak Air force air commodore had raised concern about the outdated radar technology citing that US or worse India could fly helicopters into the country and take out nuclear installations and in reply he was shown the boot while no upgrades to the systems were made.

Anyway, the four choppers made it to the compound in Abbottabad. It is then that PakArmy was notified that they have a choice. Either face an entire barrage of US choppers attacking Pak nuclear assets or hand over Osama’s body. In the meanwhile the small

gun battle at the Abbottabad compound continued and to give the drama some authenticity the US forces torched one of their own choppers. Pressed for time a Pakistani helicopter flew from Tarbela carrying dead body of Osama bin Laden which was stored in a cold storage there. While at Abbottabad Pak Army soldiers encircle the entire area around the compound within five minutes of the start of fire fight. The firefight continued for 35 more minutes, waiting for the Pakistani helicopter. Once the Pakistani helicopter reached the compound the three US choppers and the Pakistani helicopter flew towards the Afghan border, this time without the need to fly below the radar detection altitude.

Next day, the world woke up to the news that Osama bin Laden was dead and President Obama had delivered wheat President Bush and Dick Cheney couldn’t. But the Pak Military brass did not wake up, because they never slept the night before. Last night they had woken to the realization that US could fly under the radar and take out Pakistan’s nuclear assets. The problem here is that US has the complete inventory of Pakistan’s nuclear assets along with exact locations. It would be a matter of minutes in a country wide operation to dismantle Pakistan’s nuclear assets.
 
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Even a decade later, so many questions remain un-answered surrounding the tragic events of 9/11.
A year later the OBL fiasco no doubt remains murky.
The following story appeared a few weeks after the Abbotabad incident. One can just dismiss it as fan boy material, however,It's worth noting that some months later a news report from Afghanistan said that there was some helicopter accident which caused the deaths of a number of team members who were involved in the OBL raid.


Eye Witness say that the Osama Bin Laden Operation was a failure


Here's an eyewitness account from a neighbor. He says that he saw everything from beginning to end. According to him only one helicopter dropped off 10-12 people and then flew away while two other helicopters never landed. The helicopter that dropped off the Americans then landed 20 minutes later to pick them up but it exploded and all the Navy Seals died.

Only ONE helicopter dropped off the Navy Seals . picked them up again and it was the one that exploded. Their dead bodies were scattered all over the place and all the occupants of that helicopter died. There are hundreds of witnesses who saw the dead bodies with broken limbs, heads etc lying around.

No other helicopter either landed or dropped anyone or picked up anyone. So how did they get the body of OBL? It's obviously a lie. All the Navy Seals that landed are dead.

Eye Witness Interview
It was a totally unsuccessful mission and the whole story is a drama and the Pakistan Army knows it. Yet they're trying to prove the American lies to be true.

How did they get OBL's body and those computer files they're showing to the world?

There are also strong evidence that Osama Bin Laden did not go down easily. He was taken to copter after being captured. Seals didn't search him for any explosives so once he was on board he blew himself. Thus bringing down the copter and killing all 12 seals plus pilots on board.

I BLOG FROM EARTH: Eye Witness say that the Osama Bin Laden Operation was a failure
 
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Do you guys know that for how many months or years American army was there in Turbela ?
 
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Even a decade later, so many questions remain un-answered surrounding the tragic events of 9/11.
A year later the OBL fiasco no doubt remains murky.
The following story appeared a few weeks after the Abbotabad incident. One can just dismiss it as fan boy material, however,It's worth noting that some months later a news report from Afghanistan said that there was some helicopter accident which caused the deaths of a number of team members who were involved in the OBL raid.


Eye Witness say that the Osama Bin Laden Operation was a failure


Here's an eyewitness account from a neighbor. He says that he saw everything from beginning to end. According to him only one helicopter dropped off 10-12 people and then flew away while two other helicopters never landed. The helicopter that dropped off the Americans then landed 20 minutes later to pick them up but it exploded and all the Navy Seals died.Only ONE helicopter dropped off the Navy Seals . picked them up again and it was the one that exploded. Their dead bodies were scattered all over the place and all the occupants of that helicopter died. There are hundreds of witnesses who saw the dead bodies with broken limbs, heads etc lying around.

No other helicopter either landed or dropped anyone or picked up anyone. So how did they get the body of OBL? It's obviously a lie. All the Navy Seals that landed are dead.

Eye Witness Interview
It was a totally unsuccessful mission and the whole story is a drama and the Pakistan Army knows it. Yet they're trying to prove the American lies to be true.

How did they get OBL's body and those computer files they're showing to the world?

There are also strong evidence that Osama Bin Laden did not go down easily. He was taken to copter after being captured. Seals didn't search him for any explosives so once he was on board he blew himself. Thus bringing down the copter and killing all 12 seals plus pilots on board.

I BLOG FROM EARTH: Eye Witness say that the Osama Bin Laden Operation was a failure
Sir! the eye witness mentioned above is a total liar....there are many eye witnesses that contradict this guy's statement....Infact no American died in OBL raid. There was no OBL living within the compund. The whole drama was staged to fool the whole world and to malign Pakistan........offcoarse someone within the top elites of our country knew about this game beforehand.........:coffee:
 
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The US can wipe out our whole Nuclear Arsenal with attack choppers......yeah, that's believable!

Retarded stories and nothing else!
 
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It was a totally unsuccessful mission and the whole story is a drama and the Pakistan Army knows it. Yet they're trying to prove the American lies to be true.[/url]
Why would they do that fully knowing such a thing would cause their motherland utter shame and disgrace?
 
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It is true. According to one of my source the helicopter which US claimed has had "mechanical failure" was in fact downed by pakistani forces. it as not confirmed that Osama was staying there more likely he was some Saudi prince.
 
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Biggest load of hogwash heard in a while. Tarbela!.. right :rolleyes:
It was Osama who was killed, some knew.. some did not.
Those that knew were the ones US feared would tell the polygamist to flee if a joint op was planned.
If it was a staged op.. I wonder why a sophisticated Helo was left in our hands unintentionally?
 
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Absolute BS.

Although the earlier part was pretty convincing, but when the line and that a pakistani heli flew from Tarbela , from then on I laughed.

I know for a fact that no heli took off from Tarbela that night. Don't ask me how.

There was a hoopla the next morning that something did indeed happen in Tarbela, and some measures were taken, but no OBL body flew in a heli

Btw, does anybody remember the scene from transformers , when decepticon is in the Hoover dam in frozen state. Maybe the writer got the inspiration from there. OBL in a cryostate underneath Tarbela powerhouse!!!
 
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All nonsense conspiracy theories.

The biggest proof of OBL dying that night is when Taliban/Al Qaeda itself admitted it. Nobody else needs another proof, or a dead body. What's done is done. No point weaving conspiracy theories.
 
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The US can wipe out our whole Nuclear Arsenal with attack choppers......yeah, that's believable!

Retarded stories and nothing else!
WHAT IN THE WORLD HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING?
WHATEVER IT IS IT'S TOTALLY ALIEN BECAUSE NOTHING ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET CAN CAUSE SO MUCH STUPIDITY!
Even your superpower America can have it so easy to wipe the nukes of Pakistan in a go.
 
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When the events of that night were unfolding, ironically a PDF member from Abbotabad was posting live.
I can recall him saying, that there were explosions and gun fire, then reporting that PAF jets had scrambled and could be heard in the vicinity. An inside source confirmed to me that the F-16s were certainly in the air, while AVM (R) Rashid Latif, during a TV talk show claimed that the PAF was in a position to bring down the US Choppers, but was ordered to stand down.!!
Would dearly love to know, who and for what reason, issued the order. !!
 
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There was a hoopla the next morning that something did indeed happen in Tarbela, and some measures were taken, but no OBL body flew in a heli

Btw, does anybody remember the scene from transformers , when decepticon is in the Hoover dam in frozen state. Maybe the writer got the inspiration from there. OBL in a cryostate underneath Tarbela powerhouse!!!

If i remember correctly, US choppers landed at tarbela for a while for some reason (according to residents living there).

On-topic:

The story sounds awesome though. Why do conspiracy theories have to be so damn interesting? lol

It could/should be made into an action/spy thriller movie. The Raymond Davis part sounds like a scene from Bourne Identity.
 
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If i remember correctly, US choppers landed at tarbela for a while for some reason (according to residents living there).

On-topic:

The story sounds awesome though. Why do conspiracy theories have to be so damn interesting? lol

It could/should be made into an action/spy thriller movie. The Raymond Davis part sounds like a scene from Bourne Identity.

No, no US choppers landed at Tarbela.
 
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