Wahhabism & its Connections with Terrorism..!!!

[Mitro]

It is reported in Mishkat from Hazrat Abu Said Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) who narrates that:

"Once we were in the presence and company of the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He was distributing booties (Spoils of War) when a person named Zul-Khawaisara, who was from the tribe of Bani Tamim addressed the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) "Oh Muhammad Be Just!" ". The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) replied: "A Great pity that you have doubts, if I am unjust then who will be just, you are a loser and a failure." Zul-Khawaisara's attitude infuriated Hazrat Umar (Radiallhu Anhu) and he pleaded with the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) to permit him to slay Zul-Khawaisara. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) remarked: "Leave him, as his slaying will serve no good purpose, as he is not the only individual but there are a host of others like him and if you compare their prayers and fasting to that of yours, you yourself will feel ashamed. These are the people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, with all these apparent virtues they will leave the fold of Deen just like the arrow leaves the bow." (Miskhat Shareef, PP. 535)

Zul Khuwaisra - the man who showed so much disrespect to the Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) was from the tribe of Bani Tamim. The Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) foretold that the Wahhabi group who will cause much fitna, will be the off-springs of the above Munaafiq. Allama Dahlaan, the celebrated Historian of our era writes: "Zul Khuwaira was of the Banu Tamim tribe and so was Ibne Abdul Wahab Najdi." (Addarus Sunniah, pp/51). These Ahadith certainly do not fit the Kharajees because they were not the off-springs of Bani Tamim. Shah Abdul Haq the great Muhaddis of Delhi writes: "The Kharajees were not the descendants of Zul Khuwaisra." (Ashatul Lamaat, Commentary on Mishkat pp/535)

COMPLETE NONSENSE yet again. I read the first two lines and stopped reading after this so-called author claimed that Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab belonged to the Banu Hanifa tribe which is a BLATANT lie since he belonged to the BANU TAMIM tribe and every single source confirm this. We are talking about a scholar who has thousands of descendants in not only KSA but also Iraq where the Banu Tamim tribe is strong as well.

Simple - cut the nonsense if you don't want to be exposed. And why don't you use Arabic sources and not some English made up sources? Have you never learnt to use primary sources in school? You don't use Latin literature as the best possible source to understand Pakistani society - do you?

Such tactics will not work against Arabs or any informed Muslim or individual.

 

[al-Hasani]

Luftwaffe: I think you need to learn a bit more about Islam before lecturing anybody on Islamic issues. Nobody follows or worships the 4 Imams. They are just guidance. You cannot follow all 4 at the same time so naturally you need to stick with one. All can be followed since there are no major differences - only cosmetic and neither goes against Islam. We are not following a new form of Islam nor are Salafis, Wahhabis or other code names used by the West. The reality is that all are permissible as long as they follow the teachings of Islam. People are fond of putting a name on everything so those movements just received a name like everything receives a name in this world.

About your anti- Arab comments I will not comment. You are just making a fool of yourself and your claims of any persons calling himself such things proudly before a Muslim are also a lie. So are your generalizations.

 

[Patriots]

The subject of discussion is wahhabism not shiaism, but many followers from both dogma went extreme.

Lets respectfully ask those who say there is no wahhabism then why is the term wide spread being used by saudis for themselves. Alright lets minus wahhabism...why do saudis call themselves "SALAFIS" which again leads to a sect.
I challenge every person on this thread or outsider to come forth authentic Hadith and any evidence where Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H every said he is salafi, hanbali, hanafi, jaffery, maliki, shafi'i and on and on or he ever gave an indirect message that in the future some men will form "The Schools of Thought" follow and turn it into personalized Sects.

I had discussed it alot with saudis over here and I came to the conclusion leave them be they just don't want to understand, the size of their brains is as small as pea they just don't want to call themselves muslims alone but proudly insist upon being associated with a specific madhab for superiority and that Islam is due to them in the Islamic world.

I respect those men Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Malik, Imam Shafi'i, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal...But even they don't have guarantees that they will not be subject to scrutiny by Allah on the day of Judgement. What if Allah asks them you 4 people had spread and put confusion into the hearts of people "muslims". You people are the reason Islam split into division and sects. Allah has already stated every soul will be held accountable that includes these 4 Imams. Do we really need schools of thoughts to follow Islam?, was there any school of thought at the times of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H? Did muslims feels the needed one at that time?

Do you people even Think about it or blindly follow what your moms and pops tell you to follow. Quran asks you and answers you and tells you to Think. Unfortunately you people live by mullah's book and mullah's philosophy and whatever you inherit from you parents but never use your brains to think and make sense.

Infact one should not be followed. No one is innocent except Prophet.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Luftwaffe: I think you need to learn a bit more about Islam before lecturing anybody on Islamic issues. Nobody follows or worships the 4 Imams. They are just guidance. You cannot follow all 4 at the same time so naturally you need to stick with one. All can be followed since there are no major differences - only cosmetic and neither goes against Islam. We are not following a new form of Islam nor are Salafis, Wahhabis or other code names used by the West. The reality is that all are permissible as long as they follow the teachings of Islam. People are fond of putting a name on everything so those movements just received a name like everything receives a name in this world.

About your anti- Arab comments I will not comment. You are just making a fool of yourself and your claims of any persons calling himself such things proudly before a Muslim are also a lie. So are your generalizations.

I don't agree with you regarding imams part, you can follow any of them, they are all correct to follow.

 

[Mosamania]

Seriously, do some people even claim that the Prophet generalized and experienced Tribalism himself (By the way something he hated and detested with all his heart) just so they can get across a political message?

You dare call our Prophet a racist and a bigot? The lows some people will go to I guess.....

 

[al-Hasani]

Sorry, BlackEagle I think you intended to quote the post of Luftwaffe and not my posts if I am correct?

I agree Mesomania. It is unbelievable.

Also somehow I cannot thank people. It's not because I don't want it is just because I am not able to thank posts for some reason. Very strange.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

the root behind much of terrorism in muslim world and entire world is Wahabism. Almost 99% of all suicide bombers, terrorist groups in Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Northern Africa ALL practice wahabi version of "Islam" (aka Saudi version of Islam). So the connection is VERY VERY strong.

Ever since advent of wahabism over the past 130 years or so, the muslim world has seen MUCH chaos and terrorism. Before Wahabism, muslim world NEVER faced such massive terrorism as it has been facing especially over the past 30-40 years!

Saying this is not acceptable, Saudis represent Islam, we are a religion not a sect, minority categorizing us as a different sect is just a desperate try to show others as fragmented as them.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I think you need to learn a bit more about Islam before lecturing anybody on Islamic issues. Nobody follows or worships the 4 Imams. They are just guidance. You cannot follow all 4 at the same time so naturally you need to stick with one.

Hi, you and people like you are Fools I can say that openly I don't have to hide behind curtains. You don't make sense I never said worshiping 4 Imams...

Question is IF they are guidance then who was Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H why were there no schools of thought at his time or before him, has the Prophet ever fortold there would be 4 imam just follow them and not me. Let me ask you a question from the point of view of you people who follow schools of thought Why cannot you follow all 4 who laid the rule not to follow all 4, why is it natural why not Follow Nabi.

Not anti Arab but there is a problem with you Arabs you don't understand and move about in circles Just like I wrote a complete Article but you came up with a simple solution to learn Islam like you know Islam too well. I give you and your friends challenge bring forth Ayah, Surah, Hadith any concrete evidence where Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H fortold and insisted to follow these Imams only and personalized your own madhabs sects. All you need to do is bring proof, if you people can't you are all living a lie because Prophet of Islam only talked of Islam and Muslims not salafi/wahabi/shia/sunni/hanafi, shafi, maliki and so on.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Sorry, BlackEagle I think you intended to quote the post of Luftwaffe and not my posts if I am correct?

I agree Mesomania. It is unbelievable.

Also somehow I cannot thank people. It's not because I don't want it is just because I am not able to thank posts for some reason. Very strange.

No, I quoted yours, the four Sunni Imams are all correct, they devoted their lives to make Islam easier to understand among public. Considering that they were born in different eras, their ijtihads have minor differences, however, the differences are in the branches not in the bases and that's ok.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Hi, you and people like you are Fools I can say that openly I don't have to hide behind curtains. You don't make sense I never said worshiping 4 Imams...

Question is IF they are guidance then who was Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H why were there no schools of thought at his time or before him, has the Prophet ever fortold there would be 4 imam just follow them and not me. Let me ask you a question from the point of view of you people who follow schools of thought Why cannot you follow all 4 who laid the rule not to follow all 4, why is it natural why not Follow Nabi.

Not anti Arab but there is a problem with you Arabs you don't understand and move about in circles Just like I wrote a complete Article but you came up with a simple solution to learn Islam like you know Islam too well. I give you and your friends challenge bring forth Ayah, Surah, Hadith any concrete evidence where Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H fortold and insisted to follow these Imams only and personalized your own madhabs sects. All you need to do is bring proof, if you people can't you are all living a lie because Prophet of Islam only talked of Islam and Muslims not salafi/wahabi/shia/sunni/hanafi, shafi, maliki and so on.

There is something called Ijtihad, all the Ijtihads of the four imams purely based on quraan and Sunnah, so if there was an Ayat that is not clear or hard to understand, those Imams interpreted them for the public. I Challenge you if you can get me one thing those four imams said that contradict Quraan or Sunnah.

 

[al-Hasani]

Hi, you and people like you are Fools I can say that openly I don't have to hide behind curtains. You don't make sense I never said worshiping 4 Imams...

Question is IF they are guidance then who was Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H why were there no schools of thought at his time or before him, has the Prophet ever fortold there would be 4 imam just follow them and not me. Let me ask you a question from the point of view of you people who follow schools of thought Why cannot you follow all 4 who laid the rule not to follow all 4, why is it natural why not Follow Nabi.

Not anti Arab but there is a problem with you Arabs you don't understand and move about in circles Just like a wrote a complete Article but you came up with a simple solution to learn Islam like you know Islam too well. I give you and your friends challenge bring forth Ayah, Surah, Hadith any concrete evidence where Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H fortold and insisted to follow these Imams only and personalized your own madhabs sects. All you need to do is bring proof, if you people can't you are all living a lie because Prophet of Islam only talked of Islam and Muslims not salafi/wahabi/shia/sunni/hanafi, shafi, maliki and so on.

You are the fool here not the over 1 billion of Muslims who adhere to a fiqh. You have misunderstood a fundamental problem as I already explained to you. The 4 Imams all followed the tradition of Prophet Muhammad (saws). From where else do you think their theological views came from if not Islam and the Sunnah itself? Who are you trying to fool? When Prophet Muhammad (saws) died people - sahabah, scholars the most important Muslims etc. continued to teach Islam and to keep it pure. Those scholars were the most knowledgeable and pious and thus their teachings remained. Teachings that are completely in accordance to Islam and does offer nothing new. They just got a name as everything else. A sect is when somebody is guilty of bid'ah. Such thing cannot be said of the 4 Imams. It is your own obligation to follow the truth and the 4 Imams have lead out their guidances to do that based on the teachings of Islam and not bid'ah as you imply.

What unites all 4 Imams is that they all agree on the fundamentals of the deen and only have cosmetic differences. All which are permissible in Islam.

You are misusing the word sect and you expect several generations of Muslims spread on a huge geographical area to follow the EXACT same interpretations on EVERYTHING. This is asking too much and unrealistic. Also neither of the 4 Imams teachings (which all derive from the same source - the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah) have invented bid'ah that could be argued goes against Islam on any major form.

I don't follow any Imam I just follow Islam and thus the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saws). I just happen to follow exactly those teachings who were transmitted through the pious and most knowledgeable Muslims after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saws) and in accordance with Islam.

No, I quoted yours, the four Sunni Imams are all correct, they devoted their lives to make Islam easier to understand among public. Considering that they were born in different eras, their ijtihads have minor differences, however, the differences are in the branches not in the bases and that's ok.

Which is exactly that I am writing in the message you quote or have I misunderstood you due to my English skills?

This is what I wrote in the posts you have quoted:

"Luftwaffe: I think you need to learn a bit more about Islam before lecturing anybody on Islamic issues. Nobody follows or worships the 4 Imams. They are just guidance. You cannot follow all 4 at the same time so naturally you need to stick with one. All can be followed since there are no major differences - only cosmetic and neither goes against Islam. We are not following a new form of Islam nor are Salafis, Wahhabis or other code names used by the West. The reality is that all are permissible as long as they follow the teachings of Islam. People are fond of putting a name on everything so those movements just received a name like everything receives a name in this world.

About your anti- Arab comments I will not comment. You are just making a fool of yourself and your claims of any persons calling himself such things proudly before a Muslim are also a lie. So are your generalizations."

 

[Kaniska]

As an outsider does Shia and wahabism is subset of Islam? If this is the case. There is nothing to argue and confront as the source of ur religion is Islam God who is the source.so why there is so much of intolerance between both of sects?

Please delete my post if this sounds like irrevalent.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

You are the fool here not the over 1 billion of Muslims who adhere to a fiqh. You have misunderstood a fundamental problem as I already explained to you. The 4 Imams all followed the tradition of Prophet Muhammad (saws). From where else do you think their theological views came from if not Islam and the Sunnah itself? Who are you trying to fool? When Prophet Muhammad (saws) died people - sahabah, scholars the most important Muslims etc. continued to teach Islam and to keep it pure. Those scholars were the most knowledgeable and pious and thus their teachings remained. Teachings that are completely in accordance to Islam and does offer nothing new. They just got a name as everything else. A sect is when somebody is guilty of bid'ah. Such thing cannot be said of the 4 Imams. It is your own obligation to follow the truth and the 4 Imams have lead out their guidances to do that based on the teachings of Islam and not bid'ah as you imply.

What unites all 4 Imams is that they all agree on the fundamentals of the deen and only have cosmetic differences. All which are permissible in Islam.

You are misusing the word sect and you expect several generations of Muslims spread on a huge geographical area to follow the EXACT same interpretations on EVERYTHING. This is asking too much and unrealistic. Also neither of the 4 Imams teachings (which all derive from the same source - the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah) have invented bid'ah that could be argued goes against Islam on any major form.

I don't follow any Imam I just follow Islam and thus the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saws). I just happen to follow exactly those teachings who were transmitted through the pious and most knowledgeable Muslims after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saws) and in accordance with Islam.



Which is exactly that I am writing in the message you quote or have I misunderstood you due to my English skills?

This is what I wrote in the posts you have quoted:

"Luftwaffe: I think you need to learn a bit more about Islam before lecturing anybody on Islamic issues. Nobody follows or worships the 4 Imams. They are just guidance. You cannot follow all 4 at the same time so naturally you need to stick with one. All can be followed since there are no major differences - only cosmetic and neither goes against Islam. We are not following a new form of Islam nor are Salafis, Wahhabis or other code names used by the West. The reality is that all are permissible as long as they follow the teachings of Islam. People are fond of putting a name on everything so those movements just received a name like everything receives a name in this world.

About your anti- Arab comments I will not comment. You are just making a fool of yourself and your claims of any persons calling himself such things proudly before a Muslim are also a lie. So are your generalizations."

My mistake, sorry, I thought you were saying that one Imam should be correct and the others are wrong, I stoped reading here, so it's just a misunderstanding. I thought you were Wahabi...

Which is exactly that I am writing in the message you quote or have I misunderstood you due to my English skills?

 

[al-Hasani]

Brother the Wahhabi label is false. There is not such a thing. I have never met a Wahhabi in my life and I am half Saudi and born in KSA and have lived there all my life until I was accepted to a University in USA last summer. So basically 17,5 years out of my 18 years as living person.

All Sunnis (people who follow the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) all agree that all 4 Imams are permissible and I fully agree.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Brother the Wahhabi label is false. There is not such a thing. I have never met a Wahhabi in my life and I am half Saudi and born in KSA and have lived there all my life until I was accepted to a University in USA last summer. So basically 17,5 years out of my 18 years as living person.

All Sunnis (people who follow the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) all agree that all 4 Imams are permissible and I fully agree.

I know, I was kidding,