Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

[gslv mk3]

You must be kidding.

China has tested JL-2 for more than decade, while your K4 and K5 are still on the paper.

BTW, if India does reach the JL-1 level by the 2020s, then it will be a tremendous achievement for you guys, then the next step is to test a three stages solid-fuel & 2 meters diameter SLBM like JL-2, and it should be ready by around the 2030s.

Don't ever think about flying when you can't even walk properly.

Usual jokes by Chinese,the last one I have heard from you was that 'Pakistani SLBM (non existant) would be far more reliable than Indian SLBM (already tested)'

K 4 still on paper?Its ready for its first test,which would take place by this month.It carries a payload of 2 tonnes,range of 4000 km & according to some reports is a QBM / STM.Enough for China.

As for India's aircraft carriers vs the PAF. The main advantage for the PAF is fixed wing AEW. Which the Indian carriers don't have. It means that the PAF planes can spot and track the Indian carrier based planes long before they know what is going on. The INS Viraat and its handful of subsonic Sea Harriers can be easily disposed of with JF-17 Thunders armed with PL-12 or PL-10 missile's. The INS Viraat these days goes out to sea with only 5 Sea Harriers and during war time that could increase to 10. And since the Sea Harriers can't fly far from the INS Viraat it means that the INS Viraat is near and that means ka boom time for the INS Viraat. The INS Vikramaditya with its MiG-29K Fulcrum-D's will be a much harder nut to crack. But the principle is the same.

Pakistan can neutralize or at least severely decrease the threat from India's aircraft carriers by having AEW planes like the ZDK-03 in its naval arsenal. The helicopter based AEW of the Indian carriers are far less effective and is a handicap for the carriers. Two AEW planes to deal with the 2 carrier based air fleet is enough.

And of course the new submarines will help too.

 

[jarves]

As for India's aircraft carriers vs the PAF. The main advantage for the PAF is fixed wing AEW. Which the Indian carriers don't have. It means that the PAF planes can spot and track the Indian carrier based planes long before they know what is going on. The INS Viraat and its handful of subsonic Sea Harriers can be easily disposed of with JF-17 Thunders armed with PL-12 or PL-10 missile's. The INS Viraat these days goes out to sea with only 5 Sea Harriers and during war time that could increase to 10. And since the Sea Harriers can't fly far from the INS Viraat it means that the INS Viraat is near and that means ka boom time for the INS Viraat. The INS Vikramaditya with its MiG-29K Fulcrum-D's will be a much harder nut to crack. But the principle is the same.

Pakistan can neutralize or at least severely decrease the threat from India's aircraft carriers by having AEW planes like the ZDK-03 in its naval arsenal. The helicopter based AEW of the Indian carriers are far less effective and is a handicap for the carriers. Two AEW planes to deal with the 2 carrier based air fleet is enough.

And of course the new submarines will help too.

Should we laugh at this?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Usual jokes by Chinese,the last one I have heard from you was that 'Pakistani SLBM (non existant) would be far more reliable than Indian SLBM (already tested)'

K 4 still on paper?Its ready for its first test,which would take place by this month.It carries a payload of 2 tonnes,range of 4000 km & according to some reports is a QBM / STM.Enough for China.

India is still a toddler on SLBM, you should know your country's true capability.

US in 1990 only used the Intel 80486, but they can build the ultimate SLBM such as Trident II, while the France and Russia of today still can't build a SLBM comparable to it.

This is the cutting edge technology, you can only build it step by step, you cannot skip it.

Working hard, stop bragging, otherwise your dream will remain as a dream.

 

[gslv mk3]

India is still a toddler on SLBM, you should know your country's true capability.

US in 1990 only used the Intel 80486, but they can build the ultimate SLBM such as Trident II, while the France and Russia of today still can't build a SLBM comparable to it.

This is the cutting edge technology, you can only build it step by step, you cannot skip it.

Working hard, stop bragging, otherwise your dream will remain as a dream.

Already have a 4000 km (real range is far more with a non MIRV payload,preferably TNW ) SLBM ready for flight tests.

Well what cutting edge technology do China poses in SLBMs & India would take years to build?Nothing-We have already demonstrated our SLBM capabilities with Agni V.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

A 4000 tonnes SLBM? What is that?

You haven't started to develop a three stages solid-fuel & 2 meters diameter SLBM, while China has started the development more than 20 years ago and started to test it more than 10 years ago.

 

[gslv mk3]

A 4000 tonnes SLBM? What is that?

You haven't started to develop a three stages solid-fuel & 2 meters diameter SLBM, while China has started the development more than 20 years ago and started to test it more than 10 years ago.

typo...I mean to type 4000 km for 2 tonne payload.

Is it necessary for an SLBM to have 3 stages & dia of 2 m ? For us a 2 stage SLBM with dia 1.2 m with range of 4000 km with MIRV ( or else there wont be a 2 tonne payload ) is enough to target China

 

[HariPrasad]

It has yet to get initial operational clearance. Pl read and from now onward keep your knowledge update.

TAIPEI — For the first time in the country’s history, China’s sea-based nuclear deterrent nears initial operational capability (IOC), according to a forthcoming report by a US congressional commission on China.
With a range of 4,000 nautical miles, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) will have its first credible sea-based nuclear deterrent against the US mainland,

Chine : le missile stratégique JL-2 pour...

So you have yet to have a credible nuclear deterrence.

Your JL 2 is no match to K series. K series are quasi basaltic missile with light weight and and Huge weight carrying with near to Zero CEP with lots of terminal maneuvers. None of your system is capable of intercepting it. It has much higher range than advertised like A5. Our missile is so accurate that we can use it with conventional warhead against high value target.

DO not bring your J 1 to 100 in discussion. They are decades behind K series.

 

[Immanuel]

The INS Vikky will carry upto 30 Mig-29Ks + 6 Helos, Pak has no significant moves that can pose any significant threat to The CBG. All of **** airspace is heavily monitored by long range radars, we keep a close eye on all **** Naval & AF installations and IN will know as soon as any aerial or sub threats take off towards the sea, moreover, even the Russians them selves couldn't get a lock on the Vikky during trials using A-50, Su-33 and Mig-29s due to Vikky's long range EW suite, it carries with it plenty of firepower. The biggest threat to the CBG are the subs, however with P-8Is and other ASW units in CBG, any PN sub will be dead far before it gets into firing range.

As for the K-series both K-15/Sagarika/Shaurya and K-4 are Hybrid missiles which are hypersonic and fly in cruise trajectory. K-15 has demonstrated mach 7.5 while cruising at around 40km altitude and depending on payload can fly between 750-1500 km away. The Missile in uninterceptible due to its ability to manuever and perform terminal steep dives. As far as single missile is concerned, it is by far one of the most capable missiles in the world while being both Land and sub launched. K-4 test in the next month will also demonstrate a biggger missile with similar flying capabilities at much longer ranges.

 

[kurup]

You must be kidding.

China has tested JL-2 for more than decade, while your K4 and K5 are still on the paper.

BTW, if India does reach the JL-1 level by the 2020s, then it will be a tremendous achievement for you guys, then the next step is to test a three stages solid-fuel & 2 meters diameter SLBM like JL-2, and it should be ready by around the 2030s.

Don't ever think about flying when you can't even walk properly.

What is the range and payload capacity of JL-1 ??

Also isn't JL-2 a two stage SLBM with 1st stage solid and 2nd stage liquid fuelled ??

 

[trident2010]

Two ACCs are more than a threat for PN. However, IN won't be using it for PN. That would be overkill.

 

[Basel]

The INS Vikky will carry upto 30 Mig-29Ks + 6 Helos, Pak has no significant moves that can pose any significant threat to The CBG. All of **** airspace is heavily monitored by long range radars, we keep a close eye on all **** Naval & AF installations and IN will know as soon as any aerial or sub threats take off towards the sea, moreover, even the Russians them selves couldn't get a lock on the Vikky during trials using A-50, Su-33 and Mig-29s due to Vikky's long range EW suite, it carries with it plenty of firepower. The biggest threat to the CBG are the subs, however with P-8Is and other ASW units in CBG, any PN sub will be dead far before it gets into firing range.

IN have good capabilities but you are getting over confident and totally underestimating PN which now have much longer range anti ship missiles and other stuff, IN is advancing fast in its modernization but PN is also not sitting in 1971.

 

[Alpha1]

The biggest threat to the CBG are the subs, however with P-8Is and other ASW units in CBG, any PN sub will be dead far before it gets into firing range.

you are clearly underestimating AIP subs / agostas

 

[trident2010]

you are clearly underestimating AIP subs / agostas

CBG also consists of the subs to specifically counter the threats from other submarines. So if we add the ASWs from ACC+surface CBGs+CBG submarines +P-8Is, looks pretty good for ACC.

 

[Penguin]

you are clearly underestimating AIP subs / agostas

I think the USN would disagree. Hence they leased a Swedish SSK for operational testing.

In November 2004, the Swedish Government approved a proposal for the US Navy to lease HMS Gotland and crew for one year to participate in naval exercises. Gotland arrived at the Naval Air Station North Island, San Diego in June 2005. The submarine will operate in the opposing force (OPFOR) role. In June 2006, the lease was extended for a further year. In July 2007, HMS Gotland left San Diego to return to Sweden.

SSK Gotland Class (Type A19) - Naval Technology

Time and time again at least during excersizes SSK have caused carrier groups headaches.

Dutch Submarines: Periscope shots

" . . . . .during NATO exercise "North Star" in March '89 the Dutch
Submarine "Zwaardvis" was the only orange (enemy) submarine to successfully
stalk and sink a blue (allied) aircraft carrier although orange SSN
(=nuclear driven subs) were participating . . . ."
From: " The Changing Role of NATO submarines", Naval Forces 5/89, vol X." by Norman Polmar.

Dutch Submarines: News of 1999

 

[kbd-raaf]

I think the USN would disagree. Hence they leased a Swedish SSK for operational testing.


SSK Gotland Class (Type A19) - Naval Technology

Time and time again at least during excersizes SSK have caused carrier groups headaches.

Dutch Submarines: Periscope shots

Dutch Submarines: News of 1999

Were the P3s present in those exercises?