US Senate warns Obama on Rouhani in letter signed by 76 lawmakers

[Falcon29]

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Bull, the West sees the rebels as worse than Assad. And he doesn't have 70% support, they are manipulating the media with false questioning. The questions and polls were far from what they projected as the results.

 

[al-Hasani]

Your argument is pointless, no one actually cares about us to arm us besides us. Countries do things for interests these days. Maybe arabic citizens do actually care and support our cause from their heart. But, their leaders don't. I wish we had leaders like we did in the old days.

Today we know who actually may support a military solution, which are the mujahideen who actually care and take this cause serious.

And there is a military solution to Palestine. Not the way you see it from your eyes because you're stuck in today's thinking and only take into consideration several factors and military prowess.

I want things to change about Syria, but also I think KSA and some of their poeple are hypocritical, when dozens were killed by Saudi Arabian snipers when protesting their regime it's odd because we know they don't really support a quest for freedom. Forget democracy, we know it doesn't work with the Arab system. But change happens.

I wonder would you would be if Saudi Arabians wanted change and wanted the royal family gone?

Pointless? I am spot on. Do I need to remind you of Iran's policy or the Iranian view in this thread? Give me a few minutes and I can quote several Iranian members. I even think that you saw the thread where they told you the reality a few days ago? Or am I mistaken? Find me even one Arab that would have written the same things. There is none here and very few out there.

Yes, the Arab leaders do not support Palestine but Israel, LOL. You might look who is donating most to Palestine from the Muslim world. That is KSA. Not Iran. Or any other country.

Saudi Arabia is one of the largest providers of aid to the Palestinian people.[7] Since 2002, Saudi Arabia has given more than $480 million in monetary support to the Palestinian Authority, and has supported Palestinian refugees by contributing to the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). Through the Arab League it has provided more than $250 million for the Palestinians, and pledged $500 million in assistance over the next three years at the Donors Conference in Dec 2007.[4] Unlike aid from other nations, Saudi Arabian aid to Palestinians was not disrupted by the election of Hamas.[7]

It seems that you only care about Palestine and don't look at the wider picture at all. A few weapon shipments from Iran to Hamas once in a while and you are willing to support them but you fail to realize that you are being used and played with for purely political reasons. Nor can you see that a military solution cannot succeed. You are not even united as a people. Hamas, PLO, Fatah etc. Instead of uniting when your country is occupied. That has been the case for a very long time. Since the conflict started basically.

You think that USA's greatest ally and NATO's in the region, Israel, will suddenly be abandoned? You are fighting against Israel once in a while with guerrilla tactics against a conventional army. The current tactic is not working. The Israelis are still building illegal settlements. They will only use the pretext of Hamas and other such groups to built more of them and call all "Palestinians for terrorists" and tell the world what they are up against.

You need to be smarter than them and this can also be done while defending yourself.

Well you are not a mujahideen so does this mean that you do not "really" care too?

When were people in KSA killed by "Saudi snipers"? What occasion was that?

Not a quest for freedom? Well, that's exactly what the Syrians want and we will help them just as we have helped everyone else in such a situation with what we consider the best solution - also Palestinians.

Why do you presume that all Saudis like the current regime? The reality is that most like them because they have actually proven to be very successful and respetful rulers but that does not mean that we should agree with everything they do.

Besides the regime would never be stupid enough to kill 100.000 of its own people just to stay in power like the Child-Murderer and destroy whole cities, villages, towns etc. or have pure " sectarian Najdi brigades" that would kill anyone that was not the same.

Also I and many other Saudi Arabian users have stated repeatedly that if the Al-Saud family did the same as the Child-Murderer in Syria then everyone would be against them or at least the vast majority just like Syria and I personally would fight them in my hometown Makkah and home region the beautiful and ancient Hijaz..

 

[Falcon29]

Of course it applies on Palestine, but who is more urgent now? Are you being shelled by Scud missiles, MRLS, tanks, bombers and chamecal weapon? Are you being brutally tortured and raped in masses? Are you being massacred? Have 100k people been killed in two years? Is your country being obliterated? Are you being displaced in millions? No, you are not.

The 100k killed are from both sides, we've already been displaced by millions. Of course at this moment they are in a more urgent need. However, that's no excuse. I want to ask you again, what's your excuse for not arming the Palestinians.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

And you chose Israel over Syria? What make you to appreciate Israelis? It tell us alot, your hypocrisy to use Hadith word.

Jerusalem was only liberated two times, the first was after crushing Iran, and the second was after crushing Fatimides in Egypt. Jerusalim will never be liberated but after crushing Munafiqins and the ones who wait for your weakness to jump on you.

You call yourself a Muslim and yet support Alawites over Muslims, that's very interesting actually..

The 100k killed are from both sides, we've already been displaced by millions. Of course at this moment they are in a more urgent need. However, that's no excuse. I want to ask you again, what's your excuse for not arming the Palestinians.

The vast majority are Sunni Civilians. The figure is higher as the UN stopped counting long time ago due to high numbers. Man, the prisoners alone are around 35k.

RaptorRX707:

Are you out of your mind? How can you compare Syria with Bahrain? 100.000 people have died in Syria and dozens die every single day. The Bahraini "uprising" has claimed less than 100 deaths in the last 100 years.

Way to make a ridicules comparison!

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[Falcon29]

Been saying that for how long now ?
Just admit you prefer F16s and friendship with Americans instead of war with Israel for Palestine.

One time he supports a cause and he they really do sound like they come to rescue and arm their struggle for dignity and self determination. Which is good, but then we come upon other instances with different pictures.

It then turns to what you say, sitting down watching Israel's occupation and blushing about their American toys.

 

[al-Hasani]

The 100k killed are from both sides, we've already been displaced by millions. Of course at this moment they are in a more urgent need. However, that's no excuse. I want to ask you again, what's your excuse for not arming the Palestinians.

Who are "your"? Since when have even one Arab on this forum become a spokesman of their rulers? Am I or Blackeagle the ruler of KSA, Yemen or Jordan?

Why are the Palestinians not united as a people but competing against each other? Why is Mahmoud Abbas not doing more for Palestine? What do you want us to do aside from given you more money than anyone else? What weapons do you want us to send apart from those we the Arabs gave you throughout history? Did Arab countries not fight Israel on behalf of the Palestinians? Did the Arabs not welcome hundred of thousands of Palestinians? Did most of our governments not expel the Jews as a consequence of the declaration of Israel in 1947?

Why would we risk a few weapon shipments and be met with sanctions, isolation and ultimately a weakening of the Arab world and thus Palestine? Who would stand by the Palestinians until the end if not the Arabs? Will you answer me that question? The Turks or Iranians?

What has the armed conflict done to Palestine? Did it in any way help you? Did you defeat Israel? Did the illegal settlements stop? Don't you think that a new strategy is needed? Don't you think that you should try to outsmart the Israelis?

 

[Doritos11]

One time he supports a cause and he they really do sound like they come to rescue and arm their struggle for dignity and self determination. Which is good, but then we come upon other instances with different pictures.

It then turns to what you say, sitting down watching Israel's occupation and blushing about their American toys.

Yes well, if Jordan turns to 1 of those resistance states it will get bombed, so truth is simply that they wont risk it, GCC countries and its allied monarchies, + Morocco a major US allie, you can forget military support from them. Even though I think you should solve it with diplomacy.

 

[VelocuR]

EDIT: Besides I am hardly a "liberal" Arab here, LOL. I think that every user that knows me here would tell you that this is not the case. Or individuals that actually know me. In fact I am a conservative but I am not blind to have thoughts of delusion when the reality tells me something different.

Thank you, this is what I want to hear. Can you tell me what is Islamic Liberalism or Liberals? I even asked your brother @Yzd Khalifa, @Liberal Arabs, are you different from them except you being conservative?

By Yzd Khalifa,

This may come as a shock to you, but nearly one third of our politicians are liberals, but that doesn't mean they aren't Muslims, man! Haven't you heard of Islamic liberalism!

I'm not interested in answering your question, I think you already know the answer, don't you?

One more thing , I'm extermely proud of my own Saudi/American heritages.

Morever, we also ask for more Jordian members, not just BlackEagle which is himself weird.

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RaptorRX707:

Are you out of your mind? How can you compare Syria with Bahrain? 100.000 people have died in Syria and dozens die every single day. The Bahraini "uprising" has claimed less than 100 deaths in the last 2.5 years.

Way to make a ridicules comparison!

Yes, it is ridiculous what Assad thinking. Horrible indeed, only wise people who can solve problem in internal matters without forces, Syria make stupid mistake.

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Jerusalem was only liberated two times, the first was after crushing Iran, and the second was after crushing Fatimides in Egypt. Jerusalim will never be liberated but after crushing Munafiqins and the ones who wait for your weakness to jump on you.

You call yourself a Muslim and yet support Alawites over Muslims, that's very interesting actually..

I want to calm situations in the Middle East crisis, nor I support Alawaites.

 

[Falcon29]

Who are "your"? Since when have even one Arab on this forum became a spokesman of their rulers? Am I or Blackeagle the ruler of KSA, Yemen or Jordan?

Why are the Palestinians not united as a people but competing against each other? Why is Mahmoud Abbas not doing more for Palestine? What do you want us to do aside from given you more money than anyone else? What weapons do you want us to send apart from those we the Arabs gave you throughout history? Did Arab countries not fight Israel on behalf of the Palestinians? Did the Arabs not welcome hundred of thousands of Palestinians? Did most of our governments not expel the Jews as a consequence of the declaration of Israel in 1947?

Why would we risk a few weapon shipments and be met with sanctions, isolation and ultimately a weakening of the Arab world and thus Palestine? Who would stand by the Palestinians until the end if not the Arabs? Will you answer me that question? The Turks or Iranians?

What has the armed conflict done to Palestine? Did it in any way help you? Did you defeat Israel? Did the illegal settlements stop? Don't you think that a new strategy is needed? Don't you think that you should try to outsmart the Israelis?

The only reason i agree with you is at this time it's not realistic. Eventually, we could find a solution together if we were committed. And, friends of America and Israel I don't consider Palestinians.

Maybe one day isolation won't be a factor to us. We can make it happen, but all we care is about our personal gain. Sometimes I really take time to think about our Prophet(SAW) and our leaders following him. They really deserve respect for doing the what now seems impossible.

 

[Serpentine]

Why would we risk a few weapon shipments and be met with sanctions, isolation and ultimately a weakening of the Arab world and thus Palestine? Who would stand by the Palestinians until the end if not the Arabs? Will you answer me that question? The Turks or Iranians?

What has the armed conflict done to Palestine? Did it in any way help you? Did you defeat Israel? Did the illegal settlements stop? Don't you think that a new strategy is needed? Don't you think that you should try to outsmart the Israelis?

Mahmoud Abbas has been trying to outsmart Israelis for years, the thing is Israel advances in HIS territory more and more everyday. He is just failing over and over again for years by trying 'diplomacy' and 'peaceful' means with Israel.

The irony is, Secular Turkey and Iran have done much more for Palestinians than their 'Arab brothers'.

Egypt, one of their 'Arab brothers' is helping to siege Gaza and destroying their tunnels these days.

 

[Falcon29]

Yes well, if Jordan turns to 1 of those resistance states it will get bombed, so truth is simply that they wont risk it, GCC countries and its allied monarchies, + Morocco a major US allie, you can forget military support from them. Even though I think you should solve it with diplomacy.

I think what some people do is ignore that the West settles it affairs with an iron fist in many cases. It's mutual and essential. The Israelis outsmart us Arabs, yet, they still have an heavily militarized nation and increase its effectiveness by the day. For a reason, because its necessary. You can't put arms aside.

There is also room for diplomacy. But, it's not going to achieve results. Israel has more plans than you think. And they take the demographics very seriously.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

One time he supports a cause and he they really do sound like they come to rescue and arm their struggle for dignity and self determination. Which is good, but then we come upon other instances with different pictures.

It then turns to what you say, sitting down watching Israel's occupation and blushing about their American toys.

You have a different approach than mine, although we look for the very same goal. However, your approach proved to be false, while I'm being realistic. You counted on socialism, Jamal Abd Al-Nasser, Saddam, Komaini, HZ, and now MB over us and all failed you and used your cause to achieve political causes. It's up to you to continue with the same path, but it will always lead you to the same destination.

Just one example, King Abdullah the First pushed forward establishing a state for Jews on less than 20% of Palestine, given that Arabs were so weak, backward and defenseless and most other were still under British and French mandates. As a result, he was accused of treason and then assassinated. Afterthen, we all saw what happened in 1948, 1967, 1973 till now. Now you are the ones who are begging for 20% to establish your state. Nevertheless, the little poor miserable Jordan performed the best among Arab armies and saved the West bank and Jerusalem for 10 years from 1948-1967. But that dumb Nasir pulled us with him from one failure to another. We won't allow that to happen again. However, we will stand with you no matter what.

 

[al-Hasani]

Thank you, this is what I want to hear. Can you tell me what is Islamic Liberalism or Liberals? I even asked your brother @Yzd Khalifa, @Liberal Arabs, are you different from them except you being conservative?

Morever, we also ask for more Jordian members, not just BlackEagle which is himself weird.

First of all being a so-called liberal has many stages. You can be liberal in terms of views on sexuality, economics, personal views or just your view of the state. That is in the West. In the Arab and Muslim world being a so-called liberal is different and not comparable because the systems, societies, traditions, customs and religion is way different.

When I say I am a conservative is does not mean that I am against reforms, progress or changes. It just means that I don't want a radical change of everything. Only a tiny amount of Arabs are liberals as real liberals in the West. Also you can be a liberal and a Muslim BTW.

What you are referring to is probably secularism. Islam cannot be changed - meaning the Noble Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Only in terms of interpretations there can sometimes be conflict.

In terms of wordily affairs such as technology, medicine etc. then those things have nothing to do with Islam as such. This is why some Muslims want secularism so that religion only becomes a private matter.

I on the other hand prefer a Islamic system if it works correctly but that is also understandable to the society that surrounds it, the wishes of the people and necessary changes.

But since we are humans there will always be problems. Anyway there will be modifications depending on the time, situation, country, need etc. It's far from black and white and I might change my opinions somewhere in the future.

 

[Falcon29]

You have a different approach than mine, although we look for the very same goal. However, your approach proved to be false, while I'm being realistic. You counted on socialism, Jamal Abd Al-Nasser, Saddam, Komaini, HZ, and now MB over us and all failed you and used your cause to achieve political causes. It's up to you to continue with the same path, but it will always lead you to the same destination.

Just one example, King Abdullah the First pushed forward establishing a state for Jews on less than 20% of Palestine, given that Arabs were so weak, backward and defenseless and most other were still under British and French mandates. As a result, he was accused of treason and then assassinated. Afterthen, we all saw what happened in 1948, 1967, 1973 till now. Now you are the ones who are begging for 20% to establish your state. Nevertheless, the little poor miserable Jordan performed the best among Arab armies and saved the West bank and Jerusalem for 10 years from 1948-1967. But that dumb Nasir pulled us with him from one failure to another. We won't allow that to happen again. However, we will stand with you no matter what.

I never had any of those approaches. I'm with Hamas, it's a new movement with a newer modern Muslim people's. It's a liberation movement.

We are changing for the better and the way Hamas integrates political Islam and Islam in our society in general is great. Not many succeed in this.

That's the first step.

 

[Doritos11]

I think what some people do is ignore that the West settles it affairs with an iron fist in many cases. It's mutual and essential. The Israelis outsmart us Arabs, yet, they still have an heavily militarized nation and increase its effectiveness by the day. For a reason, because its necessary. You can't put arms aside.

There is also room for diplomacy. But, it's not going to achieve results. Israel has more plans than you think. And they take the demographics very seriously.

Just take a quick look at this forum, Arabs are busy with the Shia thing, so once their done ( 500-2000 years ) they will focus on Palestine-Israel issue, EU/US and Israel will be working hard to keep both Sunni and Shia balanced like the Iran-Iraq war balance they kept.