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WASHINGTON: US intelligence officials have twice handed Islamabad tips about insurgent bomb-making factories, only to find them abandoned before Pakistani troops arrived, The Washington Post reported Friday.
The vacated factories have led US officials to question whether the information had been mistakenly leaked in recent weeks or whether the insurgents had been directly warned by Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, according to the report.
Relations between the two longtime allies have been seriously strained since US commandos raided a compound just a mile from a prestigious military academy deep in Pakistan, killing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who had been living there undetected for years.
The United States has been trying to bolster its relationship with Pakistan since the May 2 raid, and the information sharing with Islamabad is part of that effort.
The Post said Pakistani officials were given surveillance video in mid-May that located two bomb-making plants in the remote tribal areas of North and South Waziristan. But by the time Pakistani troops arrived on June 4, the sites had been vacated.
A senior Pakistani military official said the United States had shared information about weapons storage facilities as well, but these had also been found empty.
“There is a suspicion that perhaps there was a tip-off,” the official told the newspaper. “It’s being looked into by our people, and certainly anybody involved will be taken to task.”
The ISI was formed in 1948 shortly after independence from British rule, and has played a key role in Pakistan, which has spent more than half its 64-year existence under military rule.
But the West has long harbored suspicions that Pakistan, and particularly elements within the ISI, have failed to cut all ties with militants.
Western analysts suspect the ISI is divided, with some elements increasingly seeing militants as a domestic threat after Taliban and al Qaeda-linked bombings killed more than 4,240 people in Pakistan in the past four years.

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when will Pakistani establishment learn that its protection of islamic terrorists is destroying the country?? Pakistani security institutions have been funding,protecting and supporting the brutal islamic fanatics who’ve killed 35000 of their own people.for how long will this continue?

WASHINGTON: US intelligence officials have twice handed Islamabad tips about insurgent bomb-making factories, only to find them abandoned before Pakistani troops arrived, The Washington Post reported Friday.
The vacated factories have led US officials to question whether the information had been mistakenly leaked in recent weeks or whether the insurgents had been directly warned by Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, according to the report.
Relations between the two longtime allies have been seriously strained since US commandos raided a compound just a mile from a prestigious military academy deep in Pakistan, killing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who had been living there undetected for years.
The United States has been trying to bolster its relationship with Pakistan since the May 2 raid, and the information sharing with Islamabad is part of that effort.
The Post said Pakistani officials were given surveillance video in mid-May that located two bomb-making plants in the remote tribal areas of North and South Waziristan. But by the time Pakistani troops arrived on June 4, the sites had been vacated.
A senior Pakistani military official said the United States had shared information about weapons storage facilities as well, but these had also been found empty.
“There is a suspicion that perhaps there was a tip-off,” the official told the newspaper. “It’s being looked into by our people, and certainly anybody involved will be taken to task.”
The ISI was formed in 1948 shortly after independence from British rule, and has played a key role in Pakistan, which has spent more than half its 64-year existence under military rule.
But the West has long harbored suspicions that Pakistan, and particularly elements within the ISI, have failed to cut all ties with militants.
Western analysts suspect the ISI is divided, with some elements increasingly seeing militants as a domestic threat after Taliban and al Qaeda-linked bombings killed more than 4,240 people in Pakistan in the past four years.

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By Griff Witte and Karen DeYoung, Published: June 10
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Twice in recent weeks, the United States provided Pakistan with the specific locations of insurgent bomb-making factories, only to see the militants learn their cover had been blown and vacate the sites before military action could be taken, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.

Overhead surveillance video and other information was given to Pakistani officials in mid-May, officials said, as part of a trust-building effort by the Obama administration after the killing of Osama bin Laden in a U.S. raid early last month. But Pakistani military units that arrived at the sites in the tribal areas of North and South Waziristan on June 4 found them abandoned.

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U.S. officials say they do not know how the operation was compromised. But they are concerned that either the information was inadvertently leaked inside Pakistan or insurgents were warned directly by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, or ISI.

A senior Pakistani military official said Friday that the United States had also shared information about other sites, including weapons-storage facilities, that were similarly found empty. “There is a suspicion that perhaps there was a tip-off,” the official said. “It’s being looked into by our people, and certainly anybody involved will be taken to task.”

In the past, Pakistan has strenuously denied allegations that its security services are colluding with insurgents.

The incidents are expected to feature prominently in conversations between Pakistani officials and CIA Director Leon Panetta, who arrived in Pakistan on Friday. The U.S. argument, one official said, will be: “We are willing to share, but you have to prove you will act. Some of your people are no longer fully under your control.”

U.S. officials said Panetta would also carry a more positive message, reiterating that the United States wants to rebuild a trusting, constructive relationship with Pakistan. Immediately after bin Laden’s death, some administration officials and lawmakers argued that the al-Qaeda leader’s presence in a suburban Pakistani compound was reason enough to withhold U.S. assistance from Pakistan. But the prevailing view has been that the two countries need each other despite their problems.

Pakistan has frequently responded to U.S. entreaties to move against insurgent safe havens in the tribal areas by asking for proof of their presence. Officials said that video of the two installations indicated both were being used to manufacture improvised explosive devices, or IEDs — the roadside bombs that are the principal killers of U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan.

One was located in a girls’ school in the city of Miram Shah, home to the Haqqani network’s North Waziristan headquarters. The other, in South Waziristan, was thought to be an al-Qaeda-run facility, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

While the United States has conducted an aggressive campaign of drone strikes in the tribal areas, both sites were considered poor drone targets because of the high potential for civilian casualties.

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are they working against TTP?

^ Ok. Pakistan is supporting TTP?
 
Circumstantial -

Given the amount of terrorists attacks occurring out of Afgahanistan against Pakistan, perhaps the US tipped off the individuals at the compound themselves to set this up as a 'intelligence compromised' case.

Or depending upon the kind of raid that took place (Army convoy by road or air raid) local lookouts/sympathizers within the FC, might have tipped off the residents about the coming raid.

Intelligence leaks are bound to happen.

What is also true is that Pakistan has arrested/neutralized hundreds of Al Qaeda top level leaders and members, including Khalid Shaik Mohammed and Libbi.

2 low level intelligence leaks such as these do not negate all else that has been accomplished.
 
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Sources: Panetta Confronts Pakistan Over Collusion With Militants


The troubled relations between Washington and Islamabad are undergoing further strain. CIA chief Leon Panetta traveled to the capital of Pakistan on Friday to confront that country's powerful military leadership with evidence of suspected collusion with pro-Afghan Taliban militants in the tribal areas, sources familiar with the discussion revealed to TIME.

According to the sources, the CIA chief, who will soon succeed Robert Gates as U.S. Secretary of Defense, was in meetings late on Friday with Pakistan Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and his intelligence chief, Lieut. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI).

The sources said that Panetta shared with the Pakistani generals a 10-minute edited video that shows the militants evacuating two bomb factories in Waziristan. One of the factories is based in Miranshah, North Waziristan. The other factory is in South Waziristan. The militants in North Waziristan are believed to belong to groups led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Sirajuddin Haqqani. Both militant leaders have attacked U.S. and NATO troops across the border in Afghanistan, and enjoy non-aggression pacts with the Pakistan Army.

According to the soruces, Panetta alleged that the militants were tipped off within 24 hours of the U.S. sharing information on the facilities with the Pakistanis. When Pakistani troops later arrived at the scene of the two bomb-making facilities, used for the manufacture of improvised explosive devices, the militants were gone. The sources tell TIME that the CIA believes elements within the Pakistani security apparatus had informed the militants that they would be targeted.

The video, say the sources, was made up of satellite images. Those who have seen the video said that it was a "clear" and "explicit" demonstration of the militants leaving the two sites. Before Panetta travelled to Islamabad, the video was shown to congressional leaders, including the U.S. Senate's committees on intelligence.
 
Intelligence leak means that there are some sympathizers within ISI, which is a matter of concern. The worst thing is Pakistani's do not even recognize this as a problem, hence does not work to fix it.

The Navy had 9 serving officers who were working for Al Qaida and the attack on Mehran was done by ex commando. But let us bury our head in sand and say everything is gung-ho.
 
Intelligence leak means that there are some sympathizers within ISI, which is a matter of concern. The worst thing is Pakistani's do not even recognize this as a problem, hence does not work to fix it.

The Navy had 9 serving officers who were working for Al Qaida and the attack on Mehran was done by ex commando. But let us bury our head in sand and say everything is gung-ho.

The articles from the Western press also quote Pakistani officials as stating that collusion could be possible, and that they are investigating the incidents.

The Al Qaeda cell in the Navy was also being actively investigated an hunted down by the intelligence and military, which is allegedly what led to the AQ attacks on the Navy buses and the base.

So I don't really see how you can claim that Pakistan is 'burying its head in the sand' and not trying to address any potential issues related to this.
 
The articles from the Western press also quote Pakistani officials as stating that collusion could be possible, and that they are investigating the incidents.

The Al Qaeda cell in the Navy was also being actively investigated an hunted down by the intelligence and military, which is allegedly what led to the AQ attacks on the Navy buses and the base.

So I don't really see how you can claim that Pakistan is 'burying its head in the sand' and not trying to address any potential issues related to this.

I used the phrase burying its head in the sand for the users of this forum who continue to deny it and blame everything on CIA/RAW/MOSAD conspiracy.
There are good number of seniors and elites here who believe all attacks are done by RAW, without any evidence on the contrary whatever came out is conveniently ignored.
 
I used the phrase burying its head in the sand for the users of this forum who continue to deny it and blame everything on CIA/RAW/MOSAD conspiracy.
There are good number of seniors and elites here who believe all attacks are done by RAW, without any evidence on the contrary whatever came out is conveniently ignored.

Its the same sentiment that exists in India and the US - all attacks against India and the US are supposedly done by the ISI, and no credible evidence is provided there either.

And everything indicating the opposite is conveniently ignored.
 
We are now gonna hear lot of such news items coming out of unnamed US intelligence sources telling to their whatever sided international newspapers that Pak intel agencies did this and did that. And that is for a very simple reason, which people with minds can understand.

If they knew bout the bomb making factories, couldn't a drone strike had done the job with many militants and their precious bomb making assets gone ?? Was a drone strike with major objectives achieved more feasible or send info to ground forces to raid such factory, which must be in a very highly militant populated area, who off course would not have let the security forces come near their location so easily.

This unnamed US intel is all Bull Shiet, another spree of assault on the Pak intel agencies has started.

Another of their pressure tactics.

Pathetic.

Plus, if the US is so damn sure that ISI / PA / Pakistan is colluding with Taliban, if they have sooooooooooo much reliable intelligence that they censor it out to their policy propagation newspapers, then wht is stopping them to go to UN security council and show the evidence to the world and get Pakistan sanctioned and force it to give in to its demand, and if we still stick to our guns, then what gonna stop US B-2s, F-22s from sneaking in our airspace and doing some air strikes to soften up us into giving in their demands, they will have UN behind them and a legitimate cause passed through the shabby UN security council. They lied to the whole world on Iraq, we are seeing what they are doing with Libya, so why not Pakistan, especially since they have evidence.
 
Its the same sentiment that exists in India and the US - all attacks against India and the US are supposedly done by the ISI, and no credible evidence is provided there either.

And everything indicating the opposite is conveniently ignored.

There were some 25+ blasts in india in last 5 years.How many blasts were blamed on isi?Did you see even a single indian member here blaming isi when we lost a dozen soldiers yesterday to naxal terrorists?Or other attacks done by maoists?btw how many terrorist attacks in U.S or Israel is blamed on ISI?
 
We are now gonna hear lot of such news items coming out of unnamed US intelligence sources telling to their whatever sided international newspapers that Pak intel agencies did this and did that. And that is for a very simple reason, which people with minds can understand.

If they knew bout the bomb making factories, couldn't a drone strike had done the job with many militants and their precious bomb making assets gone ?? Was a drone strike with major objectives achieved more feasible or send info to ground forces to raid such factory, which must be in a very highly militant populated area, who off course would not have let the security forces come near their location so easily.

This unnamed US intel is all Bull Shiet, another spree of assault on the Pak intel agencies has started.

Another of their pressure tactics.

Pathetic.

We do not know the details yet. There could be many reason of not chosing drones.
1 catching people live.
2 collateral damage due to location.

They did not used drones for Osama as well.
 
Additionally some people here have conflict of interest while discussing allegations on PA.
 

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