Pakistan's intelligence failure at controlling domestic narratives effectively and poor information warfare

[TheSolution]

We always talk in terms of outcomes at work, more importantly you don't shove a feature just because you think it's great; there needs to be a genuine want for it.

Like do you think the common man wants a vigo or nawaz? They want the army to GTFO and the sooner they realize it the better.

Plus propaganda and psyops is meant for the enemy. Khair you're right the awam is the enemy so napak army is making itself useful here anyway.

"Psyops" can be either good or bad, one example is how China was promoting more natal media on their social media algorithm to encourage people to have children to raise their TFR.

A competent state has to fill in its domestic narrative otherwise someone else will instead, and they likely won't have your best interest in mind. Either you are in control, or your enemies are.

 

[Enigma SIG]

A competent state

Emphasis. Pakistan is a failed state that is just a vassal of the west. Plus you're equating China with Pakistan lol. China lifted its people out of poverty first. Pakistan has buried its people under maslows pyramid.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

100% agree with this, it highlights the boomer mentality of these duffers.

Not only did they take the worst possible course of action to achieve something, they then made the situation progressively worse when trying to fix it

Which proves my point how outdated or basically non-existent their strategy is. Better they send a delegation for training and acquiring skills in Turkey, China, wherever and set up a department to teach those skills at home too.

Right now we quite literally have tea and biscuit babbus running the most sensitive areas of a country that is already on shaky legs.

As long as Imran Khan is in jail and the onslaught against PTI continues all narratives by the Army are gonna fail.

 

[Enigma SIG]

As long as Imran Khan is in jail and the onslaught against PTI continues all narratives by the Army are gonna fail.

They thought PTI is another patwari league.

Wrong assessment by FA pass duffers. Ab to munira puttha ho k minar e pakistan bi andar le le to hum ne maaf nai krna.

 

[TheSolution]

Emphasis. Pakistan is a failed state that is just a vassal of the west. Plus you're equating China with Pakistan lol. China lifted its people out of poverty first. Pakistan has buried its people under maslows pyramid.

That's the whole point here, I'm trying to encourage it to be more competent and point out why it's important instead of acting like duffers

 

[Mirzali Khan]

They thought PTI is another patwari league.

Wrong assessment by FA pass duffers. Ab to munira puttha ho k minar e pakistan bi andar le le to hum ne maaf nai krna.

Faujeets thought this was the same era as 80s-90s and old tactics were gonna work. Social media was clearly not their strong suit because they've been completely defeated.

The last time ISPR posted was May 27th

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662547339012349952

 

[TheSolution]

As long as Imran Khan is in jail and the onslaught against PTI continues all narratives by the Army are gonna fail.

Yep, it's also the worst possible timing to have messed up right now with terrorism returning and them having very little support

 

[Enigma SIG]

That's the whole point here, I'm trying to encourage it to be more competent and point out why it's important instead of acting like duffers

You can't fix stupid, it's in their genes. The current structure needs to be dismantled and if you think these buffoons are going to hesitate killing the civilians enmasse when the shit hits the fan you're dead wrong.

You thought Israelis crushing Palestinians under bulldozers was bad? The napak army has criminialized and executed its own people just because they disagree with them running the show.

 

[nahtanbob]

"Psyops" can be either good or bad, one example is how China was promoting more natal media on their social media algorithm to encourage people to have children to raise their TFR.

A competent state has to fill in its domestic narrative otherwise someone else will instead, and they likely won't have your best interest in mind. Either you are in control, or your enemies are.

Why does anything have to be controlled ?
Who decides what is controlled ?
Is something is controlled who is the controller ?
Who decides who is the controller ?

Why do countries have to have enemies ?
When have enemies decided the narratives of their opponents ?

It goes back to the ad/product analogy. Maybe you spent time on the end product the ad campaign might just fall in place.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Faujeets thought this was the same era as 80s-90s and old tactics were gonna work. Social media was clearly not their strong suit because they've been completely defeated.

The last time ISPR posted was May 27th

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662547339012349952

Turns out they clearly aren't the Sigma Black Belt PMPs some people made them out to be.

Uneducated duffers have no idea or a channeled thought process to enact change. They've been thought to think with the barrel of the gun and soon as you introduce an element or variable that's out of their influence they start having a seizure worse than an epileptic child.

 

[karmaa]

Why is Pakistan failing so badly at controlling its own domestic narrative of its own audience?

Let's make a comparison between Israel and Pakistan - Israel is quite literally committing a genocide and their entire population is defending and supporting it. On the contrary Pakistan has utterly failed to effectively peddle a single narrative to even its own citizens - let alone international propaganda.

There's a lot to learn with how Israel shapes its population to always stand by their national interests despite what the world may think, even India does this well nowadays. A natural level of homegrown nationalism is like the health bar of every nation.

If you even go online there's absolutely zero counter to the propaganda being spread against it online. It's like Pakistan doesn't have its own professional info-network of pro-Pakistan/establishment narratives to weaken enemy/terrorist group narratives - on the contrary even Afghan Taliban has a decently strong network and leverages weird diaspora Islamists to give it a boost.

I found this interview online of someone with interactions with the ISI, even he mentions that Pakistan ignorantly neglects a lot of critical areas like soft power, and effective information warfare, etc, in comparison to India.

Forget even external enemies, it even struggles countering internal terrorist group propaganda in all domains.

I think there needs to be significant structural reforms done and a review. If you cannot control domestic narrative among your own citizens then that's a huge negative sign.

Pakistan is clearly weak in its intelligence apparatus structure - it should send teams for training to Turkey and perhaps China. You could learn a lot by co-operating with the Turks since they deal with a Kurdish insurgency so they'll have a lot of effective strategies/counter-measures to share, especially with the similarities here in Pakistan.

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Failure of ISI ? What citizens are doing ?

 

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[VkdIndian]

Why is Pakistan failing so badly at controlling its own domestic narrative of its own audience?

It hasn’t failed as badly as brought out by you.

The internal and external narrative are interwoven intricately. They are interdependent on each other. It is not possible to create an image completely different from each other. That is where the problem lies.

Due to various factors, the external image of Paksiatn has taken a beating in the last two decades. The external image is further dependent on international relations, who control various media outlets. We know how bad this area has been for Paksatn.

ISPR keeps releasing videos and dramas to sell it’s narrative, but people connect the dots and take these efforts in completely opposite way. Infact, some of those songs received more thumbs down than otherwise.

It’s is a catch 22 situation and unlikely to ease off anytime soon.

 

[SaadH]

Pakistani intelligence doesn't have a narrative failure, rather policy and operational failure...

It is least bit bothered by security issues and focusing on countering what it perceives to be an existential threat to not only it's entrenched control of the country by the new generation of social media savy populace but also to the viability of it's long and loyal colonial service to the western bloc.

 

[ThunderCat]

There are 150,000 Ethiopian Jews who are 3% of Jewish population. There are two traditional divides among Jews - Ashenkazi and Sephardic. Added Russian Jews to the mix. They aspire to the same things. All of them serve in the Israeli army. All of them participate in the political process. There is a shared experience. I doubt we can say the same for urban Lahore resident and rural Pakhtun resident

That's pretty much diversity. More than Pakistan. Slavic Caucuses and Germanic Jews are mostly semi-distant. Pakistanis are almost entirely Indo-Iranic.