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US Approves Sale of Patriot Missiles to Turkey

Dont bluff. Turkey is in NATO so US most likely wouldn't put any serious sanctions on Turkey, a fellow NATO member
America doesn't have a problem with sanctioning a NATO member, it makes no difference as there's nothing anybody else can do if the U.S. does sanction Turkey. Donald Trump doesn't play around when it comes to sanctions he does what he says he is going to such as the sanctions on China, and Iran.
 
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With S400 & Patriot + indigenous system, no country will mess with turkey...
 
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retard f*cking dumb*ss fa*got. These are important Ones.If turkey stop to split them. Whole programme of F-35 if abandoned.
Lol no its not, the U.S. alone could develop the F-35 with ease while Turkey doesn't have the capability to develop a jet right now. You don't think Turkey could be easily replaced? You're delusional.
 
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Lol no its not, the U.S. alone could develop the F-35 with ease while Turkey doesn't have the capability to develop a jet right now. You don't think Turkey could be easily replaced? You're delusional.


a few weeks ago The US Defense Department has delivered a report to Congress detailing implications of Turkey receiving F-35 fighter jets

-- Turkey is an important partner of F-35 program with investment of $1.25 billion dollars
-- Turkish companies produces critical parts of F35 and F135 Engine
-- Turkey is very important NATO ally
-- Turkey hosts NATO military bases , 2.000 American soldiers and AN-TPY2 Radar to protect Europe and NATO allies ( even Israel ) against Iranian Ballistic Missiles
-- Turkey has an extraordinary importance in a geostrategic position for the US and NATO
-- Turkey control Bosphorus only gateway to the Black Sea for the US and NATO against Russia


so Turkey will have all those American weapons

-- 100 F-35A Fighter Jets
-- 20 F-35B Fighter Jets
-- 20 PATRIOT launchers with 80 GEM-T and 60 PAC3MSE missiles
-- 10 Boeing CH-47F Chinook Helicopters
-- 109 Sikorsky S70 Blackhawk Helicopters

145 AIM-120C7 Air to Air Missiles for F16 and F35 Fighter Jets
256 ESSM Air Defense Missiles for 4 of MILGEM-I class Frigates



and Turkey will have Russian S400 Air Defense System in 2019
Turkey has not changed its decision to acquire the Russian S-400 missile defence systems

Turkey needs S400s against the possible threats from Greece ,Egypt ,Israel ,Saudi Arabia , Uae
and Turkey wants to buy PATRIOT against Ballistic Missile threats from Iran and Syria

therefore Turkey develops its own HISAR and SIPER Air Defense Systems to intercept Cruise Missiles , Ballistic Missiles and Fighter Jets ( Greece ,Egypt ,Israel ,Saudi Arabia, Uae , Iran and Syrian Regime dont apply friendly behavior to Turkey )

even weak France wants to protect Pkk/Ypg terrorists in Syria against Turkey and to steal gas reserves from Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northen Cyprus

the Turkish Armed Forces will show their place in Syria , Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean
 
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Maybe you are right but why on top of the photo is written 40N6E but the picture is 48n6e3
They are same.

Well thaad is compared by s400 and s300 series with patriot .
I wonder why USA suggested a system inferior to what turkey was after if they really wanted turkey don't by s400
These are ill-advised comparisons from a bunch of amateurs.

FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/afte...y-rosoboronexport.580579/page-4#post-10846177

S-400 is a potent anti-aircraft platform but offer entry-level BMD capability.

S-500 is the first true Russian BMDS in a long span, but still in development.

You fool.Many important parts of F-35 is built in Turkey.View attachment 527824
US could develop entire F-35 by itself, but it outsourced some of its work to other countries in order to reduce its cost of production, and make it export-worthy.

F-22A turned out very expensive in comparison because it was 100% local production.

Bullshit..All the bean sellers say the same thing about their beans..PAC3 was a complete desaster in the hand of the US in Iraq and in Yemen now..THAAD is the same..
This is all false.

14 out of 14 intercepts of Iraqi ballistic missiles recorded during the course of Operation Falcon Freedom in 2003.

Large number of intercepts of Yemeni ballistic missiles recorded over Saudi Arabia since 2015.
 
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The points is that USA can build these parts and isn't depended on Turkey for building F35

without Turkey F35 program deliveries will lose minimum 2 years
and F35 price getting more expensive and the US should invest billion dollar to produce critical parts of F35 and F135 Engine instead of 10 Turkish companies who produce critical parts of F35 and F135 Engine

also The US will pay billions of dollars penalty to Turkey ( I remind you Boeing paid $600 million to Turkey in compensation to Turkey for a much delayed 4 of E7-T Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) Aircrafts )

Turkey is not customer but Turkey is a global partner of F35 program since 2002
so Turkish Airforce prefered F35 instead of Eurofighter
and Turkey spent $1,2 biliion for F35 program and Turkish Airforce is waiting for F35s since 2002 and did not buy any Fighter Jet and Turkey plans to buy 120 F35s ( $12-13 billion )

the US can not block sale of F35 to most important NATO ally Turkey and the country which is very important partner of F-35 program
 
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come on 48n6e3 and 40N6E are completely different
I am not talking about 48N6E3.

This one:

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- is 40N6E

"According to official data, the missile’s destruction range is up to 380 km for aerodynamic targets and up to 15km for ballistic weapons at an altitude ranging from 10 m to 35 km. The average flight speed is 1,190 m/s. Thanks to its new homing head, the missile can destroy aircraft beyond the boundaries of the radio visibility of ground-based radars."

Source: http://tass.com/defense/1026630

"The 40N6 is a long-range missile designed to counter early warning and electronic warfare aircraft, hardened ground targets, and ballistic and cruise missiles. Reports indicate the missile’s destruction range is up to 380 km for aerodynamic targets and up to 15 km for ballistic weapons at an altitude ranging from 10 m to 35 km."

Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/russian-army-accepts-40n6-missile-for-s-400/

Claims of this interceptor being effective against potential targets at up to 185 KM in altitude are unsubstantiated, and way beyond the capacity of an S-400 system to manage in battlefield conditions.

NOTE: Any defense-oriented system is as effective as its radar (or series of radars) allow it to be.

S-500 can be effective in defeating potential targets at up to 100 KM in altitude (equal to Israeli Arrow 3), but S-400 can be effective in defeating potential targets targets at up to 35 KM in altitude, which is decent enough for the needs of many potential customers anyways.
 
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I am not talking about 48N6E3.

This one:

main-qimg-7148243ba0e24f43f742be194fc3a694


- is 40N6E

"According to official data, the missile’s destruction range is up to 380 km for aerodynamic targets and up to 15km for ballistic weapons at an altitude ranging from 10 m to 35 km. The average flight speed is 1,190 m/s. Thanks to its new homing head, the missile can destroy aircraft beyond the boundaries of the radio visibility of ground-based radars."

Source: http://tass.com/defense/1026630

"The 40N6 is a long-range missile designed to counter early warning and electronic warfare aircraft, hardened ground targets, and ballistic and cruise missiles. Reports indicate the missile’s destruction range is up to 380 km for aerodynamic targets and up to 15 km for ballistic weapons at an altitude ranging from 10 m to 35 km."

Source: https://missilethreat.csis.org/russian-army-accepts-40n6-missile-for-s-400/

Claims of this interceptor being effective against potential targets at up to 185 KM in altitude are unsubstantiated, and way beyond the capacity of an S-400 system to manage in battlefield conditions.

NOTE: Any defense-oriented system is as effective as its radar (or series of radars) allow it to be.

S-500 can be effective in defeating potential targets at up to 100 KM in altitude (equal to Israeli Arrow 3), but S-400 can be effective in defeating potential targets targets at up to 35 KM in altitude, which is decent enough for the needs of many potential customers anyways.
look at the shape of the missiles.
s-400-image27.jpg

the missile is 48n6e3, 40n6e is theone at the bottom
 
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look at the shape of the missiles.
s-400-image27.jpg

the missile is 48n6e3, 40n6e is theone at the bottom
Infographics do not matter; actual missile might have a different look.

Concentrate on the specifications.

S-400_MAKS-2011_012.JPG


48H6E3 have a maximum engagement range of 250 KM for aerodynamic targets. And can engage any target up to 27 KM in altitude.

40N6E (40H6E) have a maximum engagement range of 380 KM for aerodynamic targets. And can engage any target up to 30 KM in altitude.
 
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Wednesday, 19 December, 2018 - 19:45
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US soldiers walk next to a Patriot missile defense battery during join exercises at the military grouds in Sochaczew, near Warsaw, Poland. (Reuters)
Asharq Al-Awsat


The United States approved on Wednesday the sale of Patriot missiles to Turkey.

The State Department said it had informed Congress of plans to sell Turkey a Patriot package that includes 80 Patriot missiles, and 60 PAC-3 missile interceptors and related equipment, in a deal worth $3.5 billion.

"The proposed sale will increase the defensive capabilities of the Turkey military to guard against hostile aggression and shield NATO allies who might train and operate within Turkey's borders," a statement said.

Ankara a year ago announced a deal to purchase rival S-400 missiles from Russia, drawing a rebuke from its allies in NATO -- a group originally formed as a bulwark against the Soviet Union.

A State Department official said that Turkey was jeopardizing participation in another US military program, the coveted F-35 fighter jets, if Turkey still went ahead with the S-400 sale.

Turkey could also face sanctions on defense purchases under US law if it goes ahead, the official said on condition of anonymity.

A purchase from Russia "would have serious ramifications for US ability to do business with Turkey across the defense trade spectrum," the official said.

"It is important that NATO countries procure military equipment that is interoperable with NATO systems. A Russian system would not meet that standard," he said.

Meanwhile, two Turkish officials said Ankara has not changed its decision to buy the S-400 missile defense systems from Russia but welcomes the Patriot system sale.

One official described the State Department decision as good signal for Ankara's troubled relations with Washington, and Turkey was now waiting for the next US step.

"Turkey has not changed the decision to buy the S-400 defense system from Russia," the official said. "As an ally, the US should sell it to Turkey...but we have been waiting their approval."

The announcement comes hours after President Donald Trump said that the United States had defeated ISIS in neighboring Syria -- leading to the withdrawal of US troops, who had effectively protected Turkey's campaign against Kurdish fighters.

There was no immediate indication that the two announcements were linked, although Trump has made clear that arms sales are a top priority for him.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday vowed to "remove" the Kurdish fighters if necessary, as he said he had spoken by telephone with Trump and agreed on cooperation in Syria.


https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1511416/us-approves-sale-patriot-missiles-turkey

Thats bloody blackmailing. One cant buy better, even if he wants to.
 
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Dont bluff. Turkey is in NATO so US most likely wouldn't put any serious sanctions on Turkey, a fellow NATO member

lulz yo there have been sanctions the past 40 years from these "Allied NATO- countries ". Actually these sanctions belong to the primary reason why turkey established its indepedent defence industry :D
 
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lulz yo there have been sanctions the past 40 years from these "Allied NATO- countries ". Actually these sanctions belong to the primary reason why turkey established its indepedent defence industry :D
what sanctions have been on Turkey for the past 40 years that were serious? or are you just playing victim because EU didnt allow you into EU because of your human rights violations against Kurds? US put the FIRST serious sanctions on Turkey some months ago in retaliation for Turkey keeping the US pastor detained, and Turkey's economy WOBBLED. thats facts. Turkey has the most available ground forces in NATO, so it makes no sense for US or EU to economically cripple a NATO member that would be needed in any serious NATO involved conflict. You also forget that without US Turkey would be an old military with old equipment and old technology.
 
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