Unanswered Israeli Air Strikes Against Syria Raise S-400 Questions

[Philosopher]

Either come with a logical reasoning (not like that Iranians guys that i blocked) or don't reply.

I have yet to see you counter the statements already put forward. The questions presented to you are rather simple in nature yet you have conveniently chosen to "ignore" them.

 

[925boy]

Kill switch thingy is discussed and rebuked many times in this forum. If you install a kill switch in your platforms you won't be able to sell anything anymore. Not even US does that.... Either come with a logical reasoning (not like that Iranians guys that i blocked) or don't reply.

Well, to know there's a kill switch, you have to detected it and pinpoint it, and obviously, many S300 and S400 customers cant find the kill switch. If they could, for one, they would have removed it. You cant fix any issue that is not cleared laid out and dealt with directly.

I have yet to see you counter the statements already put forward. The questions presented to you are rather simple in nature yet you have conveniently chosen to "ignore" them.

and look at him telling me "do not reply". like damn! this dude acting quite bossy! who da fuk is he? a common man like u and me.

 

[Philosopher]

and look at him telling me "do not reply". like damn! this dude acting quite bossy! who da fuk is he? a common man like u and me.

That stems from the fact that he is unable to deal with counter narratives presented to him. People like that start off with a particular narrative and then only accepts the views that agree/strengthens their beliefs. This is classical conformational bias. In his case, he has already decided that the system in question i.e S-300 is propaganda and ineffective and thus anything contrary to that he rejects as absurd and refuses to engage in a constructive manner.

 

[Oublious]

@vostok

Why are the russian operators in you air defence systems stupid? According to Persian Russians are the operators, and thats the reason why they have failed. I am tagging you only to ask your opinion about this bs.

 

[Philosopher]

@vostok

Why are the russian operators in you air defence systems stupid? According to Persian Russians are the operators, and thats the reason why they have failed. I am tagging you only to ask your opinion about this bs.

I was under the impression the logic was plainly obvious, but alas I was wrong. Here, give it another read:

"The assertions made by such articles are based on the assumption that the S-400s attempted to counter the aerial threats but were not successful. There is no evidence to suggest such systems were even attempted to be used, on the other hand, there is a plenitude of cases involving the use of lower tier systems. Follow this logical line of reasoning then hopefully you'll understand that the relative "silence" from these S-300/400 has most probably nothing to do with their capability but rather due to an obvious reluctance to use them"

 

[The SC]

This claim is false and illogical eitherway.


They just don't want sales to plummit after S-400 and S-300 get humiliated.

Or the Usraeli IDF being humiliated..
Why do you think Nathanyahu went running to Russia to not use the S-300 in Syria against IDF after it was delivered there.. let alone the S-400 who's primary mission is to defend the Russian air and naval bases in Syria..
Try to attack Bashar's palace or other Syrian official government sites.. and you might lose you fake air power success over Syria..

 

[Beny Karachun]

Or the Usraeli IDF being humiliated..
Why do you think Nathanyahu went running to Russia to not use the S-300 in Syria against IDF after it was delivered there.. let alone the S-400 who's primary mission is to defend the Russian air and naval bases in Syria..
Try to attack Bashar's palace or other Syrian official government sites.. and you might lose you fake air power success over Syria..

Yea we are being utterly humiliated by actively bombing Iranian and Syrian forces on a weekly basis

 

[500]

I was under the impression the logic was plainly obvious, but alas I was wrong. Here, give it another read:

"The assertions made by such articles are based on the assumption that the S-400s attempted to counter the aerial threats but were not successful. There is no evidence to suggest such systems were even attempted to be used, on the other hand, there is a plenitude of cases involving the use of lower tier systems. Follow this logical line of reasoning then hopefully you'll understand that the relative "silence" from these S-300/400 has most probably nothing to do with their capability but rather due to an obvious reluctance to use them"

S-400 was used once. They shot down their own plane.

 

[Philosopher]

S-400 was used once. They shot down their own plane.

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Please do not use "twitter" as a source. Were any hard evidence shown to link S-400 to the incident?

Edit: I just tried looking but could not find more proof for this, I think it was just a claim.

 

[xenon54 out]

I know the Israelis are thrilled with their F-35s.

Turkey, on the other hand, are absolute imbeciles for going with S-400s when you could have had the dominant F-35.

Yep an absolute tragedy to exchange something like F-35 against S-400.
I hope the Airforce will pressure the next goverment to work towards F-35 again once erdogan is gone.

Syria has 3 Battalions of S-300, in total 24 launchers, approximately 100 missiles according to Russians.
https://tass.com/defense/1025020

I mean Syrian Arab Army has S-300. So, some guys saying Syria never used S-300 although it got hit by Israel for 200 times.....

Sorry, but this sounds like a pure propaganda. Similar to what we heard when TB-2s decimated Russian ADs both in Libya and Syria.

Israel evades the Russian AD just as Turkey evaded them, all the excuses like ''russia allows israel and turkey bla bla'' are just for face saving simple as that.

 

[500]

Please do not use "twitter" as a source. Were any hard evidence shown to link S-400 to the incident?

Edit: I just tried looking but could not find more proof for this, I think it was just a claim.

These are not random twitter users, but well known Assadists with military sources and thousands of subscribers. You can also see that after that incident Russia did not say a word to Assad but instead gave him 1+ billion prize.

 

[Philosopher]

These are not random twitter users, but well known Assadists with military sources and thousands of subscribers. You can also see that after that incident Russia did not say a word to Assad but instead gave him 1+ billion prize.

Regardless of who the are or what they support, the fact remains that minus the twitter claims, there is nothing else to back this incident. Furthermore, even assuming this did indeed occur, then it does not really highlight the inability of this system to target military assets, which is what the discussion is really about.

 

[Trango Towers]

I know the Israelis are thrilled with their F-35s.

Turkey, on the other hand, are absolute imbeciles for going with S-400s when you could have had the dominant F-35.

With source codes that only the American have and only country that could tinker with the F35 is israel. So what's the point of a system that yoh pay for but america still controls. Additionally, turkey learnt from the F35 and still manufactures components