ULFA urges Dhaka to 'stop crackdown’

[spsk]

btw, Why are we discussing about these wars Hey cool down guys...

I think Bangladesh is doing really a great job by cracking down the terrorists. No country should support any organization with goal of only killing innocent civilians, Just see how USA and Pakistan are suffering now due to Taliban.

I think this a good step not only for India but first benefits Bangladesh. Its not very easy to contain a established terrorist organization , Like India Bangladesh also a poor country and definitely cannot afford to fight against ULFA such an organization in the future and definitely can use the money to feed your people.

Bangladesh definitely cannot get financial support from India like how Pakistan get money from USA. Its really a good move , could not understand why few of the Bangladesh members do not understand ...

 

[toxic_pus]

Fast Attack crafts armed with C-802, using "Swarming" tactics can certainly scare destroyers and frigates.

In that case,Indian air superiority will come to rescue.And for us we will have to rely on ship based SAMs.

The missile boats simply don't have the range to be of any significant threat to the Indian destroyers/frigates, in the event of any naval blockade. It can be effectively enforced by staying out of their range (boat + missile).

That is the point I am making. That BD's location and lack of Naval teeth, make it extremely susceptible to naval blockade by India.

And as for the blockade,I really don't think there will be a war between Bangladesh and India one-on-one.So no point talking about that.

Agreed.

We have 2nd Most no. of troops in UN,so any aggression shown to us by India,we will get some sort of shield.India instead will be at risk of sanction.These things matters too.

That would happen only if India attacks unilaterally. But remember, this hypothetical situation is in RESPONSE to BD's adventurism. So this point doesn't fly.

In case of China-India war,and Bangladesh siding with China,an effective blockade is impossible.Indian Navy will come face to face with Chinese navy.They will be too busy to put an effective blockade.

Can't say for certain if China would be interested in coming into direct conflict with Indian Navy in Bay of Bengal/Indian Ocean. It will too far from their main land, but practically our backyard.

China in all probability wouldn't want to dilute its presence in South China Sea.

Now all our hypothetical analysis can go wrong when the real war breaks out.

Agreed again.

 

[eastwatch]

Yes, your freedom fighters fought together with India for your liberty. But look how you are paying back to India (at least in persuasions)

Indian bullying made us spiteful towards India. Indians probably think of a simple equation. A country against Pakistan is automatically pro-India. This is wrong. A friendship must be cultivated.

 

[Contrarian]

All I can say is you do not have any type of military background to say off. That is why you think a blockade is possible by your ragtag 18th century navy in a wide sea which is longer than 3000 km and wider than 1200 km. See the map.

We have hundreds of small missile boats and land-based anti-missile batteries along the coast that can target your birds in the sky and ships in your sea.

I did not want to enter this thread, but i do have some kind of liking for military equipments and warfare, i do have some questions.

You are calling Indian Navy, which has 1 aircraft carrier, 16 submarines, numerous escorts including DDG's and FFG's as an 18th century navy?

A navy that started equipping its capital ships with SAM systems a decade ago ie Barak along with Kashtan systems precisely to counter AShM's liek C-802 as an 18th century Navy? A Navy that is already developing a LR-SAM with 70-80km range for its ships ie Barak NG as being of the 18th century?

A navy that is building ITS OWN Aircraft carrier, a nuclear submarine, 6 Scorpene submarines license produced from France as an 18th century navy?

A Navy that operates its own fighter jets, numerous choppers and surveillance aircrafts. A navy that operates a 280km officially stated Antiship and Anti Surface missile which outranges everything that Bangladesh, let alone Bangladeshi Navy can throw?

and You are comparing this with Bangladeshi Navy? You are comparing all this with missile boats and shore based AShMs or FOUR submarines that Bangladesh MIGHT buy in the future??

Is this a joke or do you absolutely not understand anything of naval military equipment or its uses?

Let me put things in perspective and the crudest manner possible for you... Indian Navy will bomb Bangladeshi shipyards, ports before its Navy decides to move out of port.

 

[Contrarian]

Fast Attack crafts armed with C-802, using "Swarming" tactics can certainly scare destroyers and frigates.

You realize that today's radars on ships detect out to greater than 180kms?

In that case you assume that the FAC's will not be destroyed before they get a chance to launch their weapon.

In that case,Indian air superiority will come to rescue.And for us we will have to rely on ship based SAMs.

There are ship based SAM's to offset AShM's on Indian capital ships. And they are in the process of being installed on all ships.

And as for the blockade,I really don't think there will be a war between Bangladesh and India one-on-one.So no point talking about that.We have 2nd Most no. of troops in UN,so any aggression shown to us by India,we will get some sort of shield.India instead will be at risk of sanction.These things matters too.

In case of China-India war,and Bangladesh siding with China,an effective blockade is impossible.Indian Navy will come face to face with Chinese navy.They will be too busy to put an effective blockade.

Now all our hypothetical analysis can go wrong when the real war breaks out.

Blocking a country does not mean physically putting ships on all BD ports. Its simply a threat. You destroy 2 ports, and you say that any ship entering other ports will be destroyed, that is more than enough to ensure a naval blockade. The Navy does not have to be present constantly. 2 ballistic missile will do the job. The navy doesnt have to deploy ships and BD cant counter tactical BM's.

Also, i need to tell you, IN also has BM equipped ships, this apart, the BM's can be launched from India directly, not necessarily through the waters.

And please, dont assume India will be under sanctions, guess who else is on that list of countries that contribute most men to UN missions?

And FYI: Contributing men to UN means nothing and yields nothing when it comes to war.

 

[leonblack08]

You realize that today's radars on ships detect out to greater than 180kms?

In that case you assume that the FAC's will not be destroyed before they get a chance to launch their weapon.

If my memory serves me correctly,then there was an incident couple of years ago where Iranian Fast attack crafts were circling US ship.I may be wrong on this.

There are ship based SAM's to offset AShM's on Indian capital ships. And they are in the process of being installed on all ships.

I know about that,like MBDA MICA.And you probably forgot to add about CIWS.

Blocking a country does not mean physically putting ships on all BD ports. Its simply a threat. You destroy 2 ports, and you say that any ship entering other ports will be destroyed, that is more than enough to ensure a naval blockade. The Navy does not have to be present constantly. 2 ballistic missile will do the job. The navy doesnt have to deploy ships and BD cant counter tactical BM's.

Just destroying ports doesn't stop in flow of supply.For that one has to stand and block key entries leading to Bangladesh.
And about countering tactical BMs,yes we yet do not have SAMs to counter them.

Also, i need to tell you, IN also has BM equipped ships, this apart, the BM's can be launched from India directly, not necessarily through the waters.

And please, dont assume India will be under sanctions, guess who else is on that list of countries that contribute most men to UN missions?

And FYI: Contributing men to UN means nothing and yields nothing when it comes to war.

About sanction,it was on the context of India attacking first.Try to understand on what context I posted.
Its not about contributing men to UN and in return UN sends men to help.Since we have a good reputation on international arena,then there will be sympathy,if we are attacked first.Once again Understand the context.

Toxic and I were discussing about a hypothetical scenario.I had signed off from this thread,but you quoted me.

This thread is completely rotten.Last 5 to 6 pages,everyone's just throwing mud at each other.

 

[Iggy]

I dont know from when did these east watch guy started living in fantasy world??His posts made sense earlier now look at what he is writing..

 

[TopCat]

I dont know from when did these east watch guy started living in fantasy world??His posts made sense earlier now look at what he is writing..

He probably visited Bharat Rakshak site recently. Those people just banned me forever only for a simple joke...

 

[Iggy]

He probably visited Bharat Rakshak site recently. Those people just banned me forever only for a simple joke...

lolz really?..I am not a member of Bharat Rakshak..whats your name there and what was the joke?

 

[TopCat]

lolz really?..I am not a member of Bharat Rakshak..whats your name there and what was the joke?

It was iajdani same as here. I asked them, instead of ranting they should make Osama the army chief, recruit Jehadis from Talibans and then Attack China...

 

[Iggy]

It was iajdani same as here. I asked them, instead of ranting they should make Osama the army chief, recruit Jehadis from Talibans and then Attack China...

Wonderful suggestion

 

[Skies]

Joke:
If we cut the chicken neck then ur India will no more surround us by 3 sides.

Another Joke + Bad idea:

Hm, I agree that we r unable to win against India. So I'll call China to extend their land up to our land. In that case we won't have to fight to India but we will get border with china and chicken neck will be cut also, lol.

 

[Iggy]

Another Joke + Bad idea:

Hm, I agree that we r unable to win against India. So I'll call China to extend their land up to our land. In that case we won't have to fight to India but we will get border with china and chicken neck will be cut also, lol.

The real question is brother whether China will risk a war with India for the benefit of Bangladesh or Bangladesh will risk a war for the benefit of
China?? ..In the end nobody wants to see their soldiers come home in body bags because they are fighting some one's war

 

[eastwatch]

The real question is brother whether China will risk a war with India for the benefit of Bangladesh or Bangladesh will risk a war for the benefit of
China?? ..In the end nobody wants to see their soldiers come home in body bags because they are fighting some one's war

Somewhere in this thread I started with a hypothetical warlike situation when there is an armed conflict between China and India in the NE. I said that without direct BD cooperation India will lose. I also said that if BD favours China, then Indian forces in the NE would be surrounded by China and BD, and would be annihilated by the assamese ULFA.

Against this background, it is certain that China will support BD in the sea also, because it is a Chinese war. Of course, it is all a hypothetical situation and no one in his right mind wants a war that shatters the lives of millions.

My hypothesis was to counter an Indian poster's simple claim that BD is surrounded by India in three sides. So, my point is Indian generals are not that naive to think BD in that line. Rather, they would give more consideration to the geographic importance of BD, in which other than the military strength of India, it also needs BD cooperation to win over or resist a Chinese assault.

But, without reading the hypothesis, Indians started to talk like warmongers themselves and started to threat BD with atomic bombs. This is not Bharat Rakshak Forum. Why the Indians are so edgy also here?

By the way, I stick to the outcome of my analysis of the theoretical situation that I proposed, and would also like to say that India needs BD more than BD needs India in such a situation. This may be the reason that India is encouraging BD investments to its NE so that in a warlike situation, these capitalists would force the GoB to cooperate with India.

 

[eastwatch]

btw, Why are we discussing about these wars Hey cool down guys...

I think Bangladesh is doing really a great job by cracking down the terrorists. No country should support any organization with goal of only killing innocent civilians, Just see how USA and Pakistan are suffering now due to Taliban.

I think this a good step not only for India but first benefits Bangladesh. Its not very easy to contain a established terrorist organization , Like India Bangladesh also a poor country and definitely cannot afford to fight against ULFA such an organization in the future and definitely can use the money to feed your people.

Bangladesh definitely cannot get financial support from India like how Pakistan get money from USA. Its really a good move , could not understand why few of the Bangladesh members do not understand ...

I am happy to note you have a cool head. Please read the post above to note how all these debates started and then escalated.