U.S Admits supplying terrorists in Syria with Lethal weapons

[That Guy]

The entire ME is overwhelming Arab majority. If a neighbor's house is on fire, you don't not care about it. Americans are not Arabs. If Americans invade Syria, for whatever reason, Arabs would flood into Syria to kill American occupiers.

You do realize that Arab nationalism is at an all time low, right?

Besides, who do you think is helping the Americans against Syria? KSA and the GCC.

Egypt is a prime example of competing narratives in the middle east, where you had Qatar and it's allies supporting the MB in Egypt, but KSA and it's allies supporting Al Sisi.

They all seem to agree on one thing though, Iran and it's allies are a common threat.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Actually, I seem to understand it more than you or @Superboy

no you don't because you think The west can easily attack Syria without any consequences... ....

 

[Superboy]

You do realize that Arab nationalism is at an all time low, right?

Besides, who do you think is helping the Americans against Syria? KSA and the GCC.

Egypt is a prime example of competing narratives in the middle east, where you had Qatar and it's allies supporting the MB in Egypt, but KSA and it's allies supporting Al Sisi.

They all seem to agree on one thing though, Iran and it's allies are a common threat.

Arabs will always kill non Arabs who invade Arab lands. This was demonstrated in Iraq, where American occupiers were driven out after suffering heavy casualties.

If Americans invade Syria and KSA backs the US, it would face an internal uprising ala Iran. The only reason KSA backs the US as of now is because the US buys KSA oil. Once the US no longer do that due to fracking, KSA can be expected to turn against the US due to its strict Islamic ideology.

There are many Saudis who back the Iran against the US. Iran is, after all, a Muslim country. The US is largely a secular country going down the path of moral collapse.

 

[500]

The Syrian air force would be just about the last thing American occupiers have to worry about.

Syrian air force is major advantage of Assad over the rebels. Without insane barrel bombs he would not advance and without helicopter supplies all besieged bases of Assad will surrender soon.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

The map above says it all the Syrian Army is on the offensive. The red area is under Syrian government control while the other colors is under control of a mixure of FSA, ISIS and other groups. The majority of the Syrian people support the Syrian government because the FSA often behave like bandits in the area's they have "liberated" and the Islamist are beheading people for the most obscure reasons. Just look at the number of people that came out to vote for president al-Assad in Lebanon during the last election. That doesn't jab with the narative that all these Syrians fled in fear of the government. If that is the case why would they vote for al-Assad when they are safe from the Syrian government in Lebanon ?

The Americans haven't learned any lessons from their decade long interventions in the Islamic World. In Afghanistan the Taliban is resurgent after 13 years of war. In Iraq almost 50 to 100 people die a day due to either religiously or politically motivated violence. Infront of the coast of Libya there is a giant warship the USS Bataan an LHD with 1000 marines on board ready to evacuate the US embassy personnel. As there is fear that a major coup or civil war is about to break out in that country at any moment. South Sudan a nation that the US has helped to midwife is in chaos too. They have created 4 failed states with all their interventions. That has brought tremendous suffering to the people's of those nations. And yet they are still making more trouble in the world. They just don't know when to quit.

 

[Superboy]

Syrian air force is major advantage of Assad over the rebels. Without insane barrel bombs he would not advance and without helicopter supplies all besieged bases of Assad will surrender soon.

Artillery is far more potent than air power. Artillery is cheap to build, service, easy to deploy. From distances of over 20 kilometers out, artillery can wreak sustained punishment. Air power is too few, and cannot do sustained punishment.

Coupled with Iranian supplied recon drones, Syrian army artillery is what causes the great majority of insurgent casualty.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Now if we could get Vladi to admit to supplying the pro-Russian terrorists in Ukraine......

Those "pro-Russians" (they are Russians actually) are freedom fighters, hence, supporting them is the right thing to do. It's your American rogue regime, not Russia, that overthrew a democratic government and caused all this bloodshed.

 

[That Guy]

Arabs will always kill non Arabs who invade Arab lands. This was demonstrated in Iraq, where American occupiers were driven out after suffering heavy casualties.

Heavy losses? You realize that Iraq was completely destroyed, right? The only reason why it continues to be a functioning state now is because the US stayed behind to rebuild. Which is why it suffered the losses it did.

If Americans invade Syria and KSA backs the US, it would face an internal uprising ala Iran. The only reason KSA backs the US as of now is because the US buys KSA oil. Once the US no longer do that due to fracking, KSA can be expected to turn against the US due to its strict Islamic ideology.

Yeah, not going to happen. KSA would crush the uprising, and I doubt bother muslim nations (especially Pakistan) would tolerate Iran trying to destablize KSA.

There are many Saudis who back the Iran against the US. Iran is, after all, a Muslim country. The US is largely a secular country going down the path of moral collapse.

Those Saudis are few and far between, and mainly Shia. Unfortunately, Iran and KSA hate each other only because of the Shia Sunni split.

You also don't have a right to talk about moral collapse, considering that you've pretty much glorified a murderer (Assad) in this thread.

Artillery is far more potent than air power. Artillery is cheap to build, service, easy to deploy. From distances of 20 kilometers out, artillery can wreak sustained punishment. Air power is too few, and cannot do sustained punishment.

Coupled with Iranian supplied recon drones, Syrian army artillery is what causes the great majority of insurgent casualty.

Yeah, that's completely incorrect.

no you don't because you think The west can easily attack Syria without any consequences... ....

I didn't say there wouldn't be consequences, but yes, it would be quite easy to destroy Syria. Again, you're confusing capability with popularity.

 

[Superboy]

Heavy losses? You realize that Iraq was completely destroyed, right? The only reason why it continues to be a functioning state now is because the US stayed behind to rebuild. Which is why it suffered the losses it did.

Out of some 112,000 US soldiers deployed, 36,722 suffered casualty. That's better than 1 in 4. That's heavy casualty in my books.

Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[That Guy]

Out of some 112,000 US soldiers deployed, 36,722 suffered casualty. That's about 1 in 4. That's heavy casualty in my books.

Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol, nope, read the text.

Killed: 4,805(4,487 US,179 UK, 139 other)

Get your facts straight.

 

[Superboy]

lol, nope, read the text.

Killed: 4,805(4,487 US,179 UK, 139 other)

Get your facts straight.

32,226 US soldiers got eyeballs, arms, legs blown off. It's worse to live like that than to die right away

 

[That Guy]

32,226 US soldiers got eyeballs, arms, legs blown off. It's worse to live like that than to die right away

Yeah, not the same thing as a death though, so you're numbers mean little. I also doubt that many of the survives feel that way, not to mention that you just insult to anyone who doesn't have arms or legs, or is partially (or fully) blind (that includes Syrians).

Anyways, compare the allied casualties to enemy casualties, and you'll find that the US wasn't that bad off.

Again, you're doing nothing but bringing up anecdotes, and nothing else.

 

[rockstar08]

Democracy with GUN-MUN STYLE

 

[Superboy]

Yeah, not the same thing as a death though, so you're numbers mean little. I also doubt that many of the survives feel that way, not to mention that you just insult to anyone who doesn't have arms or legs, or is partially (or fully) blind (that includes Syrians).

Anyways, compare the allied casualties to enemy casualties, and you'll find that the US wasn't that bad off.

Again, you're doing nothing but bringing up anecdotes, and nothing else.

Both sides exaggerate enemy casualty and under reports its own casualty. True story, while in the UAE in 2004, an air force general told me hundreds of American soldiers were killed or wounded every day Actual US deaths from combat is likely a lot more than 4,487. Personally, I estimate over 10,000 killed. There were a number of big surges by US occupiers in Iraq, each time to replenish casualties. Once Obama announced withdraw from Iraq after elected in 2008, Iraqis and others stopped massacring American soldiers.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

The Americans haven't learned any lessons from their decade long interventions in the Islamic World. In Afghanistan the Taliban is resurgent after 13 years of war. In Iraq almost 50 to 100 people die a day due to either religiously or politically motivated violence. Infront of the coast of Libya there is a giant warship the USS Bataan an LHD with 1000 marines on board ready to evacuate the US embassy personnel. As there is fear that a major coup or civil war is about to break out in that country at any moment. South Sudan a nation that the US has helped to midwife is in chaos too. They have created 4 failed states with all their interventions. That has brought tremendous suffering to the people's of those nations. And yet they are still making more trouble in the world. They just don't know when to quit.

Oh please.. the Americans simply brought freedom and democracy and "happiness" to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and all the other countries they have bombed and destroyed, eh, I mean "helped" throughout the globe... you are just another America-hating "Jihadist", but of course not one of those Al Qaida Jihadists in Syria who are Americans best friends.