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Tell that to Russia's Kuznetsov
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Interesting, they also show two helicopter mock ups on deck. While the first one behind is quite clearly a Z-8/-18 the one in from does not look like a Z-9 or Z-20.
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Looks like the other helicopter is a drone.
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From Interstellar /SDF.
1) Type 075 is designed to support unmanned helicopter operation, just like Type 055.
2) The helicopter is developed by
CHRDI (Chinese Helicopter Research and Development Institute).
3) The helicopter entered the stage of detailed design roughly two years ago.
NOTE: I notice that dual members at PDF Chinese Defence thread and SDF behave rather differently.
Active users at SDF who are also members here tend to repost the new, interesting info found at PDF back at SDF with most of the time, a short credit was given to Userid only without even mentioning it sourced from PDF (casual readers won't realize that such info was in fact ported from PDF… I note some unspoken reluctance from them to mention the PDF name). BUT the reverse actions are just few! Very few dual members repost new, interesting info from SDF back to PDF. This unbalanced behaviour will create more gaps between the two over time with disadvantages to PDF!
Moreover SDF has been imposing new reg push by hiding its URLs for non-regged readers while PDF remains freely accessible in full, regged users and non-regged readers are just treated the same.
I hope active members here who are regged there will also repost the selective new, interesting info as the users deem relevant, as they are porting info from Here ====> There, so as not to inflict the one-sided traffic and apply more balanced practices.
On the contrary I ever found some dual members applied some kind of pressure in his comment of displeasure when another dual member posted some kind of info at PDF (only) and missed out SDF (just like some Chinese-sourced info on Type 054 iirc, btw I won't mention any specific moniker) but I cannot say the same for the reverse action!
Due to new reg push initiative there, any one paying attention will notice more regged hatches come out there than here lately, for PDF with its free full access approach applies no push, thus no incentive for new user reg, unless someone intends to make a post!
1) Type 075 is designed to support unmanned helicopter operation, just like Type 055.
2) The helicopter is developed by
CHRDI (Chinese Helicopter Research and Development Institute).
3) The helicopter entered the stage of detailed design roughly two years ago.
NOTE: I notice that dual members at PDF Chinese Defence thread and SDF behave rather differently.
Active users at SDF who are also members here tend to repost the new, interesting info found at PDF back at SDF with most of the time, a short credit was given to Userid only without even mentioning it sourced from PDF (casual readers won't realize that such info was in fact ported from PDF… I note some unspoken reluctance from them to mention the PDF name). BUT the reverse actions are just few! Very few dual members repost new, interesting info from SDF back to PDF. This unbalanced behaviour will create more gaps between the two over time with disadvantages to PDF!
Moreover SDF has been imposing new reg push by hiding its URLs for non-regged readers while PDF remains freely accessible in full, regged users and non-regged readers are just treated the same.
I hope active members here who are regged there will also repost the selective new, interesting info as the users deem relevant, as they are porting info from Here ====> There, so as not to inflict the one-sided traffic and apply more balanced practices.
On the contrary I ever found some dual members applied some kind of pressure in his comment of displeasure when another dual member posted some kind of info at PDF (only) and missed out SDF (just like some Chinese-sourced info on Type 054 iirc, btw I won't mention any specific moniker) but I cannot say the same for the reverse action!
Due to new reg push initiative there, any one paying attention will notice more regged hatches come out there than here lately, for PDF with its free full access approach applies no push, thus no incentive for new user reg, unless someone intends to make a post!
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Usually developments occur nearly simultaneously on SDF and this forum.From Interstellar /SDF.
1) Type 075 is designed to support unmanned helicopter operation, just like Type 055.
2) The helicopter is developed by
CHRDI (Chinese Helicopter Research and Development Institute).
3) The helicopter entered the stage of detailed design roughly two years ago.
NOTE: I notice that dual members at PDF Chinese Defence thread and SDF behave rather differently.
Active users at SDF who are also members here tend to repost the new, interesting info found at PDF back at SDF with most of the time, a short credit was given to Userid only without even mentioning it sourced from PDF (casual readers won't realize that such info was in fact ported from PDF… I note some unspoken reluctance from them to mention the PDF name). BUT the reverse actions are just few! Very few dual members repost new, interesting info from SDF back to PDF. This unbalanced behaviour will create more gaps between the two over time with disadvantages to PDF!
Moreover SDF has been imposing new reg push by hiding its URLs for non-regged readers while PDF remains freely accessible in full, regged users and non-regged readers are just treated the same.
I hope active members here who are regged there will also repost the selective new, interesting info as the users deem relevant, as they are porting info from Here ====> There, so as not to inflict the one-sided traffic and apply more balanced practices.
On the contrary I ever found some dual members applied some kind of pressure in his comment of displeasure when another dual member posted some kind of info at PDF (only) and missed out SDF (just like some Chinese-sourced info on Type 054 iirc, btw I won't mention any specific moniker) but I cannot say the same for the reverse action!
Due to new reg push initiative there, any one paying attention will notice more regged hatches come out there than here lately, for PDF with its free full access approach applies no push, thus no incentive for new user reg, unless someone intends to make a post!
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A CG picture from some Chinese netizen about some firepower of two hanging anti-tank/anti-ship missiles at a helicopter on board a Type 075 LHD. Photo was taken on Weibo @大包00
Manned and unmanned heli, a hint of future application of the LHA.
Manned and unmanned heli, a hint of future application of the LHA.
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Type 075: When the Chinese helicopter carrier embarks a drone…
By Henri Kenhmann — East Pendulum (2020-06-30)
What if Type 075 helicopter carriers, the new vectors of the Chinese Navy's amphibious forces, were designed from the start to operate with drones?
After the integration tests of the Austrian Camcopter S-100 on the anti-submarine frigates Type 054A, photographed at least twice in June 2011 then in May 2012 by the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF), and the 2016 catapulting tests of a fixed-wing Wind Shadow, from the Chinese manufacturer AVIC, on the electromagnetic catapult at the Naval Pilot Training Center in Xincheng, there is no doubt that the Chinese Navy has been looking for a certain time to equip its ships with flying drones.
But it is neither on a first-class frigate, nor on a catapulted aircraft carrier (and yet studies are underway), that the first drones of the Chinese Navy will be operational, at least if we believe in the photos recently taken by a surfer in Shanghai.
The model of an alleged helicopter drone, on the deck of the lead ship of Type 075, next to that of a Z-8J. Image via SS-287
Launched on September 25, 2019 at the Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard, the fitting out of the Type 075 lead ship is progressing rapidly, despite the fire that started in its apron in April this year.
And as with all Chinese warships under construction, especially those with a deck and/or hangar, embarking full-scale models to test aviation installations on board is an integral part of factory tests before delivery.
But if we are used to seeing models of helicopters and on-board fighter aircraft such as the Z-8J, Z-9D and J-15 on surface vessels and aircraft carriers, or of Z-20 more recently on destroyers Type 052D modified [I guess the author meant Type 052DL with extended length thus longer deck] and Type 055, the appearance of what strongly resembles a drone, with rotary wing, is rather new.
Indeed, on the deck of this first Type 075 we can clearly distinguish, next to a model of Z-8J, the silhouette of an angular fairing machine, with what it seems to be a rotor and blades on the top.
Based on the well-known size of the Z-8J, we can extrapolate and estimate that the craft in question would measure in the 9.55 meters long (some say of 8.23 meters) and more than 2.5 meters tall, that is to say a little smaller than a Z-9, of an MTOW of 4100 kg, or even that a Z-11 of 2250 kg.
As no smaller light military helicopter program than the Z-11 is known today, except probably the EC120 Colibri used by the aviation school of the Chinese Army, we can then suppose that the new craft is in fact a drone, a helicopter drone whose size exceeds practically all the projects made public so far.
On the left, the on-board version of WZ-5B
The WZ-6B on-board drone presented by NRIST in 2014
If the hypothesis of the helicopter drone is proven, the question to know what is the model and the manufacturer of this craft, which measures almost 10 meters long and which could make at least 1200 kg at takeoff, remains unresolved.
Today there are several Chinese entities capable of designing, or who already have projects in progress, in terms of on-board helicopter drone. We can cite for example a few national institutions such as the 601 Chengdu Institute and the 602 CHRDI Institute of the AVIC group, the aerospace groups CASC and CASIC, the specialist in target drones NRIST, the Chinese Academy of Sciences as well as several universities. aeronautics, or even private players such as ZHZ Tech, Ziyan UAV, Sunward Technology… etc.
The NRIST (Nanjing Research Institute of Simulation Technology), better known by its other name the Institute 60 of the Chinese General Staff, notably made a good start in the matter at the 5th UAV Show China in September 2014, by presenting several helicopter drones specially designed to be embarked on warships. One of these drones exposed in the form of a model, the WZ-6B, weighs 1600 kg at takeoff and it has an autonomy of 8 flight hours.
But if the takeoff weight could correspond in the case of the WZ-6B, the shape of the airframe clearly diverges from the craft which is on the Type 075 in the photo.
On the other hand, the physical appearance of the drone on the Chinese helicopter carrier is close to that of the AR-500C, a helicopter drone developed by the 602 Institute of CHRDI (Chinese Helicopter Research and Development Institute) of the AVIC Group, which made its first flight on May 20 this year.
Although the physical resemblance can never be a tangible proof of the kinship of industrial products, but this gave a reason to look for what this design office of AVIC, specialized in the design of helicopters and which has already designed several helicopter drones like the famous AV-500W, made in terms of on-board drone.
And we just learned that the CHRDI won an important tender from the Chinese Navy, on September 8, 2016, on the development of a drone. The project is described as having "historic importance in the development of naval equipment for China" (该项目非同凡响，对于促进我国海军武器装备发展具有划时代意义。).
[Just] Few elements are leaked from the request for tenders and the project, but an in-depth search in the articles published between 2015 and 2018 still allows us to extract several interesting points:
• The CHRDI “won hands down” this call for tenders, in front of several private companies and institutions in this field.
• It is requested that the drone be operated in a "highly complex" environment.
• One of the key characteristics required in the specifications is to have significant autonomy in flight.
• The tanks of the machine were enlarged during the design, the wall thickness is reduced and passes from 1mm to 0.4mm.
• The person responsible for the design of these tanks is also working on the AC352 project (the localized version of Airbus H175) and that of a heavy helicopter.
• The on-board systems of the drone went into the testing phase in May 2018.
CG amateur of the craft on Type 075 via 大包00
It is still premature to confirm with certainty that the craft on the first Type 075 helicopter carrier is indeed a helicopter drone, and that it is the one developed by CHRDI.
But while waiting for new elements from open sources, it will be useful to focus on scenarios for the use of a flying drone in the Chinese Navy. Because 10 years after their first qualification tests, the entry into service of drones on Chinese warships is only a matter of time.
By Henri Kenhmann — East Pendulum (2020-06-30)
What if Type 075 helicopter carriers, the new vectors of the Chinese Navy's amphibious forces, were designed from the start to operate with drones?
After the integration tests of the Austrian Camcopter S-100 on the anti-submarine frigates Type 054A, photographed at least twice in June 2011 then in May 2012 by the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF), and the 2016 catapulting tests of a fixed-wing Wind Shadow, from the Chinese manufacturer AVIC, on the electromagnetic catapult at the Naval Pilot Training Center in Xincheng, there is no doubt that the Chinese Navy has been looking for a certain time to equip its ships with flying drones.
But it is neither on a first-class frigate, nor on a catapulted aircraft carrier (and yet studies are underway), that the first drones of the Chinese Navy will be operational, at least if we believe in the photos recently taken by a surfer in Shanghai.
The model of an alleged helicopter drone, on the deck of the lead ship of Type 075, next to that of a Z-8J. Image via SS-287
Launched on September 25, 2019 at the Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard, the fitting out of the Type 075 lead ship is progressing rapidly, despite the fire that started in its apron in April this year.
And as with all Chinese warships under construction, especially those with a deck and/or hangar, embarking full-scale models to test aviation installations on board is an integral part of factory tests before delivery.
But if we are used to seeing models of helicopters and on-board fighter aircraft such as the Z-8J, Z-9D and J-15 on surface vessels and aircraft carriers, or of Z-20 more recently on destroyers Type 052D modified [I guess the author meant Type 052DL with extended length thus longer deck] and Type 055, the appearance of what strongly resembles a drone, with rotary wing, is rather new.
Indeed, on the deck of this first Type 075 we can clearly distinguish, next to a model of Z-8J, the silhouette of an angular fairing machine, with what it seems to be a rotor and blades on the top.
Based on the well-known size of the Z-8J, we can extrapolate and estimate that the craft in question would measure in the 9.55 meters long (some say of 8.23 meters) and more than 2.5 meters tall, that is to say a little smaller than a Z-9, of an MTOW of 4100 kg, or even that a Z-11 of 2250 kg.
As no smaller light military helicopter program than the Z-11 is known today, except probably the EC120 Colibri used by the aviation school of the Chinese Army, we can then suppose that the new craft is in fact a drone, a helicopter drone whose size exceeds practically all the projects made public so far.
On the left, the on-board version of WZ-5B
The WZ-6B on-board drone presented by NRIST in 2014
If the hypothesis of the helicopter drone is proven, the question to know what is the model and the manufacturer of this craft, which measures almost 10 meters long and which could make at least 1200 kg at takeoff, remains unresolved.
Today there are several Chinese entities capable of designing, or who already have projects in progress, in terms of on-board helicopter drone. We can cite for example a few national institutions such as the 601 Chengdu Institute and the 602 CHRDI Institute of the AVIC group, the aerospace groups CASC and CASIC, the specialist in target drones NRIST, the Chinese Academy of Sciences as well as several universities. aeronautics, or even private players such as ZHZ Tech, Ziyan UAV, Sunward Technology… etc.
The NRIST (Nanjing Research Institute of Simulation Technology), better known by its other name the Institute 60 of the Chinese General Staff, notably made a good start in the matter at the 5th UAV Show China in September 2014, by presenting several helicopter drones specially designed to be embarked on warships. One of these drones exposed in the form of a model, the WZ-6B, weighs 1600 kg at takeoff and it has an autonomy of 8 flight hours.
But if the takeoff weight could correspond in the case of the WZ-6B, the shape of the airframe clearly diverges from the craft which is on the Type 075 in the photo.
On the other hand, the physical appearance of the drone on the Chinese helicopter carrier is close to that of the AR-500C, a helicopter drone developed by the 602 Institute of CHRDI (Chinese Helicopter Research and Development Institute) of the AVIC Group, which made its first flight on May 20 this year.
Although the physical resemblance can never be a tangible proof of the kinship of industrial products, but this gave a reason to look for what this design office of AVIC, specialized in the design of helicopters and which has already designed several helicopter drones like the famous AV-500W, made in terms of on-board drone.
And we just learned that the CHRDI won an important tender from the Chinese Navy, on September 8, 2016, on the development of a drone. The project is described as having "historic importance in the development of naval equipment for China" (该项目非同凡响，对于促进我国海军武器装备发展具有划时代意义。).
[Just] Few elements are leaked from the request for tenders and the project, but an in-depth search in the articles published between 2015 and 2018 still allows us to extract several interesting points:
• The CHRDI “won hands down” this call for tenders, in front of several private companies and institutions in this field.
• It is requested that the drone be operated in a "highly complex" environment.
• One of the key characteristics required in the specifications is to have significant autonomy in flight.
• The tanks of the machine were enlarged during the design, the wall thickness is reduced and passes from 1mm to 0.4mm.
• The person responsible for the design of these tanks is also working on the AC352 project (the localized version of Airbus H175) and that of a heavy helicopter.
• The on-board systems of the drone went into the testing phase in May 2018.
CG amateur of the craft on Type 075 via 大包00
It is still premature to confirm with certainty that the craft on the first Type 075 helicopter carrier is indeed a helicopter drone, and that it is the one developed by CHRDI.
But while waiting for new elements from open sources, it will be useful to focus on scenarios for the use of a flying drone in the Chinese Navy. Because 10 years after their first qualification tests, the entry into service of drones on Chinese warships is only a matter of time.
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China’s helicopter carrier expands capability with drone
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/7/2 20:49:12
A full-scale model for an unknown type of drone helicopter was recently spotted on the flight deck of China's Type 075 amphibious assault ship, which is undergoing outfitting work in Shanghai. Photo: Screenshot from China Central Television
China's Type 075 amphibious assault ships, the largest warships second only to aircraft carriers, are receiving drone helicopters that can significantly expand their combat capability by providing strong situational awareness, reports suggest, after a full-scale model for an unknown type of drone helicopter was recently spotted on a Type 075 in Shanghai.
According to a photo circulating on a social media platform, the drone helicopter model is seen parked on the flight deck of a Type 075 , which is undergoing outfitting work, Weihutang, a program on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Thursday.
Compared with the model of a Z-8 or Z-18 helicopter right next to the drone helicopter in the photo, it is about half the size, making it approximately 10 meters long and three meters tall, a relatively large drone helicopter.
The exact type of the drone helicopter model remains undetermined, but analysts speculate it could be an AR500C, China's first high-altitude unmanned helicopter that made its maiden flight in May, the Weihutang report said.
Putting models on a warship's flight deck is a usual approach in outfitting and sea trials to test the compatibility between the aircraft and the ship, finding the best way to arrange the layout, a military expert who asked not to be named told the Global Times on Thursday.
The US Navy also has similar drone helicopters, namely the MQ-8 Fire Scout, on its warships.
Drone helicopters can conduct reconnaissance, aerial fire support and precision targeting support missions. Since drones are much smaller than manned helicopters, a warship can carry more of them, the expert said.
With more helicopter platforms in the sky covering more areas, the warship can gain much better situational awareness with more real-time battlefield intelligence, giving it an edge in making combat decisions, the expert said, noting that when armed with guns or missiles, the drone helicopters can also conduct high-risk strike missions that might be too dangerous for a manned helicopter.
China has already launched two Type 075 amphibious assault ships, one in September 2019 and the other in April 2020. They are undergoing outfitting work at the Shanghai-based Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard.
Also dubbed as helicopter carriers since their main characteristic is the usage of helicopters in amphibious landing missions, they are expected to play a vital role in missions such as safeguarding of territorial integrity and national sovereignty in areas like Taiwan Island and the South China Sea, analysts said.
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/7/2 20:49:12
China's Type 075 amphibious assault ships, the largest warships second only to aircraft carriers, are receiving drone helicopters that can significantly expand their combat capability by providing strong situational awareness, reports suggest, after a full-scale model for an unknown type of drone helicopter was recently spotted on a Type 075 in Shanghai.
According to a photo circulating on a social media platform, the drone helicopter model is seen parked on the flight deck of a Type 075 , which is undergoing outfitting work, Weihutang, a program on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television (CCTV), reported on Thursday.
Compared with the model of a Z-8 or Z-18 helicopter right next to the drone helicopter in the photo, it is about half the size, making it approximately 10 meters long and three meters tall, a relatively large drone helicopter.
The exact type of the drone helicopter model remains undetermined, but analysts speculate it could be an AR500C, China's first high-altitude unmanned helicopter that made its maiden flight in May, the Weihutang report said.
Putting models on a warship's flight deck is a usual approach in outfitting and sea trials to test the compatibility between the aircraft and the ship, finding the best way to arrange the layout, a military expert who asked not to be named told the Global Times on Thursday.
The US Navy also has similar drone helicopters, namely the MQ-8 Fire Scout, on its warships.
Drone helicopters can conduct reconnaissance, aerial fire support and precision targeting support missions. Since drones are much smaller than manned helicopters, a warship can carry more of them, the expert said.
With more helicopter platforms in the sky covering more areas, the warship can gain much better situational awareness with more real-time battlefield intelligence, giving it an edge in making combat decisions, the expert said, noting that when armed with guns or missiles, the drone helicopters can also conduct high-risk strike missions that might be too dangerous for a manned helicopter.
China has already launched two Type 075 amphibious assault ships, one in September 2019 and the other in April 2020. They are undergoing outfitting work at the Shanghai-based Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard.
Also dubbed as helicopter carriers since their main characteristic is the usage of helicopters in amphibious landing missions, they are expected to play a vital role in missions such as safeguarding of territorial integrity and national sovereignty in areas like Taiwan Island and the South China Sea, analysts said.
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