Type 052D destroyer VS Horizon-class frigate

[gambit]

@gambit

if u have the choice between these two , which one will u choose and why ????????

Are you asking about the ships? The two are pretty much parity in terms of hardware. Modern naval vessels today have frigates and destroyers so similar in tonnage, and interchangeable as to duties and tasks, as to make any differences meaningless. But as a sensor specialist, I would go for the one with the superior sensor package.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

an anti ship missile is used against slow moving targets , isn't it !!!

what does it need maneuverability for ??? its hypersonic speed gives it a huge advantage !!! also according to wiki it can be re-targeted using its active radar seeker...

it isn't a stealth missile !!!!!

a missile is usually intercepted in terminal stage,right ???

@gambit plz correct me where i am wrong

It would be near useless against fast smaller ships like friagtes or destroyers moving fast and making sharp turns.Would only be useful against large carriers,tankers or amphibious assault ships.
Without evasive manuevering ur speed will hardly matter as ships missile with far less speed can easily destroy it because its a frontal head on engagement with ship defnces.
The main advantage of speed is lowered reaction time.In cm-400 case due to its high flying trajectory it can be seen from way longer distances.So reaction time advantage is lost.However sea skimming supersonic missiles are both hard to detect,and when they are detected afetr they pop up in terminal stage reaction time is very less due to speed.Here speed advantage does matter as sea skimming mode keeps its earlier flight near invisible.
Also klub/brahmos/c-803 can perform evasive manuevres to avoid enemy missiles while cm-400 can't and is easy target.
Exactly since it gives away its position far earlier than sea skimmer its speed advanatge is lost.Sea skimmer are on the other hand near stealth as they use sea clutter to mask approach under radar envelope only popping up in terminal stage to lock on and strike.
Yes,usually.And c-400 only gains velocity at this stage.
@Dillinger .In which thread u explained this in detail?Can't find it.

As for stealth rating,just compare designs,anybody can see with their bare eyes horizon is more stealthy.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Neptune

what about turkish navy's tf-2000 program ... any news ???

can it be compared to britain's daring -class !!! ....

 

[Pakistanisage]

Desert Storm. Now you are educated.


School, may be?


Why not? People shot at US.


Because they were too chickensh1t to fight US.

Thank you for answering , That is what I think too.

US will now fight only those chickensh1t countries where the US is guaranteed victory because of overwhelming Technological Advantaqe. The last time the US fought a worthy opponent was during World War II.

So why are we BUGGING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, @gambit ?

With all the Sole Super Power status, we have not destroyed or defeated Afghan Taliban and now we are running with our TAILS safely tucked between our legs, eh ?

We are leaving Afghanistan just as disgraced as we were when we left Vietnam.

When will people like you ever learn a lesson, @gambit ?

 

[Neptune]

@RAMPAGE dude, in my opinion Daring is the world's most advanced Destroyer/Frigate. But you can surely compare TF-2000 with those ships:

De Zöven, F-100, Horizon, Type 52D...etc. To make it better to understand:

TF-2000 class frigate

DISPLACEMENT: 7000 tonnes (it was 6000 but then they increased it)

MISSILES:

Harpoon and RBS15 Mk.III/IV and/or Naval Strike Missile (SSM)

RIM-156 SM-2ER Block IV, SSM is in talks about SM-3 (SAM)

RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (SAM)

RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (CIWS-PDMS)

VL ASROC (ASW)

Indigenous naval cruise missile
currently being developed by
Roketsan called Atmaca.


SHIP DEFENCE:

Laser Directed Kinetic Energy Weapons

Directional Infrared Counter Measures


RADAR&SYSTEMS:

ÇAFRAD = by Havelsan/Lockheed Martin. Phased Array+ multiple types of radars.

GENESIS-III = by Aselsan. Battle Management, Fire Control, Sonar...etc.

FLIGHT DECK:

1x MH-60R LAMPS "Sea Hawk"

1x UAV

Co-operation With:

UK's Global Combat Ship


Foreign Assistance:

Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, SAAB, THALES

NOTES:

Lockheed Martin offered AEGIS to Turkey but SSM refused it and chose developing own system with Lockheed.

Aselsan is working on a laser cannon, there's possibilty that it may be integrated to TF-2000.

The same stealth concept will be taken from MILGEM.

I almost forgot it. Well mate, they've picked of the needs from the shopping list. It says, the design is okay but still under fisibility work. It's expected to enter the service at 2017.

 

[Penguin]

@AUSTERLITZ @Neptune @gambit @Oscar @Penguin @cnleio @SinoSoldier @ChineseTiger1986 @cirr @tanlixiang28776

What is your question?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

What is your question?

Title of the thread.

 

[Penguin]

Title of the thread.

One on one... doing what? as part of what? where?

Both are good but overkill for anti pirate duties off the coast of Somalia, for example.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

One on one... doing what? as part of what? where?

Both are good but overkill for anti pirate duties off the coast of Somalia, for example.

Probably wants to know In air defence role,as that is primary role of both.

 

[Alienware]

HHQ-9 is not the level of Aster,its a derivative of s-300 series,which had poor engagement envelope against sea skimmers and despite huge range against aircraft 100-200kms,only 15-25km against cruise missiles.
Technologically the AESA on the PAAMS is superior,comparable only to AEGIS New versions,perhaps even better as normal AEGIS is PESA.

Type 52d main advantage is it can field large mix of missiles[which can offset disadvantages of hq-9 working in tandem] and many more of them.So type52D packs more raw power,but horizon is more advanced.And much more stealthy.

A very well informed, accurate and constructive post. Thank you!

 

[UKBengali]

Losers don't know anything about using logical deduction to form arguments!

If Chinese SAMS are so inferior, then why is Turkey seriously considering buying the HQ-9?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Losers don't know anything about using logical deduction to form arguments!

If Chinese SAMS are so inferior, then why is Turkey seriously considering buying the HQ-9?

Even the US has admitted that the Type 052D has the equivalent 4 x AESA radars and VLS technology to their Zumwalt class, but these clowns have no idea what they are talking about.

China’s advanced AESA radar and probable 'universal VLS' would provide the 052D with technology equal to the U.S. Navy DDG-1000 Zumwalt class still being built. The Zumwalt has a MK 57 hot/cold VLS with large and small cells. The 891 was the trial ship for testing a hot/cold VLS launcher. The lead 052D was launched in August 2012.

China Employs Ships As Weapon Test Platforms | SIGNAL Magazine

 

[UKBengali]

Even the US has admitted that the Type 052D has the equivalent 4 x AESA radars and VLS technology to their Zumwalt class, but these clowns have no idea what they are talking about.

They KNOW that in certain areas like radar and missiles that China has caught up.

They just cannot admit it as it is literally killing them seeing the progress that China is making

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

They KNOW that in certain areas like radar and missiles that China has caught up.

They just cannot admit it as it is literally killing them seeing the progress that China is making

The 4 x AESA radars and the VLS system are the two crucial components for the Aegis DDG, and it is the main reason why the modern Aegis DDGs are so freaking expensive.

Take an example of Tico and Kidd, they both use the same hull and propulsion, but Tico has the 4 x PESA radars and the MK 41 VLS system, while the Kidd has none, that's why Kidd is a worthless tin can compared to Tico.

 

[gambit]

Thank you for answering , That is what I think too.

US will now fight only those chickensh1t countries where the US is guaranteed victory because of overwhelming Technological Advantaqe. The last time the US fought a worthy opponent was during World War II.

So why are we BUGGING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, @gambit ?

With all the Sole Super Power status, we have not destroyed or defeated Afghan Taliban and now we are running with our TAILS safely tucked between our legs, eh ?

We are leaving Afghanistan just as disgraced as we left Vietnam.

When will people like you ever learn a lesson, @gambit ?

Wrong...The ones who became chickensh1t are the one YOU think are capable of taking on US. The ones who got their rears kicked every which way were the ones foolish enough to think they can take on US. And that includes the Taliban. Bottom line is this: Cowards survives and fools are defeated.

We leave Afghanistan not because the Taliban is any military power to be feared. But because the people is perceived to be hopeless. Looks like 7th or may be 8th century is all they are capable of attaining.