Turkish Sensor and Detector Programs

[Philip the Arab]

Koral?

 

[ziya]

Koral?

its not koral its improved version of radet I

 

[MMM-E]

How did Turkey acquire knowledge to produce radars? Reverse engineering for any of it?

this tech is still useful today, and you have to remember this is Egypt's first radar. How many nations even produce any air search radar? ASELSAN has been doing this since 1991, that's like comparing ASELSAN to Raytheon at present. There is also a 450KM 3D radar under development.

ASELSAN is one of the best in the world for Tactical Military Radios , Radars , Defense Electronic Systems and Electronic Warfare Systems ,etc

-- Northrop Grumman USA
-- Raytheon Company USA
-- BAE Systems THE UK
-- Leonardo ITALY
-- Thales FRANCE
-- Elbit Systems ISRAEL
-- Saab SWEDEN
-- Aselsan TURKEY



ASELSAN Radar and Electronic Warfare Technology Center
total of 776 engineers, 261 technical personnel and more than 200 support personnel are employed in the center

The technology center serves for the design, research and development, production, test and logistic support of mainly long range tracking radars but also of diverse radars and electronic warfare systems as well as antennas, microwave power modules and software

ASELSAN has associated companies in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates



ASELSAN radar products currently span L-Band, S-Band, X-Band ,Ku-Band systems and encompasses advanced radar technologies such as active phased array, GaAs and GaN

-- 30 km Air Defense Weapon System Fire Control Radar
-- 66 km ALPER Naval LPI Radar
-- 70 km Air Defense Weapon System Mobile Search Radar
-- 89 km SERDAR Coastal Surveillance LPI Radar
-- 100 km KALKAN 3D Air Defense Radar
-- 120 km KALKAN II Air search Radar
-- Synthetic Aperture Radar
-- 40 km ACAR Ground Surveillance Radar
-- Counter Mortar Radar


ASELSAN GaN based AESA Radar Projects

-- 450km CAFRAD Naval Radar for TF-2000 class Destroyers
-- 600km EIRS Early Warning Radar for SIPER Air Defense System
-- Airborne AESA Radar for F-16s


Multi-function Naval Radars in the World ... ( The US,The UK,France,Turkey,Japan,Russia,Israel,China )

-- 150 km Poliment 5P-20K ( Admiral Gorshkov class Frigate of the Russian Navy ) ... RUSSIA
-- 190 km Lockheed Martin AN/SPY-1D ( Arleigh Burke class Destroyer of the US Navy ) .... THE US
-- 222 km FCS-3 ( Akizuki class Destroyer of the Japanese Navy ) ...... JAPAN
-- 250 km EL/M-2248 MF-STAR ( Kolkata class Destroyer of the Indian Navy ) ... ISRAEL
-- 320 km Raytheon AN/SPY-3 ( Zumwalt class Destroyer of the US Navy ) .... THE US
-- 400 km BAE Systems SAMPSON ( Type-45 class Destroyer of the Royal Navy ) ... THE UK
-- 400 km Thales SMART-L ( Horizon class Destroyer of the French Navy ) .... FRANCE
-- 450 km H/LJG-346B ( Type 055 class Destroyer of the Chinese Navy ) ... CHINA
-- 450 km Aselsan CAFRAD ( TF-2000 class Destroyer of the Turkish Navy ) ... TURKEY

450 km CAFRAD Multi-function/illumination/Fire control/Long range Radar complex

Active, Non-Rotating IFF Antenna Subsystem
• STANAG 4193 compliant Mode 1/2/3/C/S/5 interrogation
• 450 km range

Active Phased Array Multifunction Radar
• X-Band
• Volume and horizon search
• Air/surface target detection, tracking and classification
• Sea-skimming fast-small target detection and tracking
• Multiple target precise tracking
• 150 km range
• Track capacity >1000

Active Phased Array Illumination Radar
• X-Band
• Semi-active missile guidance
• 150 km range

Active Phased Array Long Range Search Radar
• S-Band
• Long Range volume search
• Air/surface target detection, tracking and classification
• 450 km range
• Track capacity >2000





Land based long range AESA Radars in Europe


-- 470 km Thales Ground Master 400 ... FRANCE
-- 470 km Saab GIRAFFE 8A .... SWEDEN
-- 500 km Leonardo RAT-31DL ... ITALY
-- 600 km Aselsan EIRS .... TURKEY

Aselsan EIRS early warning Radar
EIRS is a new generation S-Band radar developed for long range early warning with its AESA and digital beamforming antenna architecture. EIRS has the ability to detect and track air breathing targets, ballistic missiles, anti-radiation missiles and stealth/low RCS targets from very long ranges

• State of the Art Solid-State Power Amplifier Technology
• Digital Beamforming
• Target Classification Capability
• Various Tactical Operation Modes
• Long Range Mod5/S IFF System (Compatible with NATO STANAG-4193)
• Compliance with the Tactical Communication Networks
• Advanced Electronic Protection Measures and Cyber Security
• Counter Measures against Anti-Radiation Missiles

Airborne AESA Radar

AESA Radar will be capable of non-co-operative and automatic target recognition, while also featuring protection against radar frequency jamming, and has electronic support and electronic attack functions

Its air-to-air capabilities include extended-range search, track while scan modes and weather detection, as well as multiple target tracking, providing mid-course guidance for missiles and battle damage assessment.

For ground surveillance applications, the design features synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and ground moving target indication/tracking (GMTI/T) modes, along with air-to-ground ranging

Aselsan believes its AESA radar could eventually compete with systems such as Northrop Grumman's APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar

Aselsan STR Weapon Locating Long Range Radar

• Active Electronically Scanning Array (AESA)
• Solid State Power Amplifier
• Digital Beam Forming
• High Performance Signal-Data Processing and Recording infrastructure
• Complex Signal and Data Processing algorithms

• Operating Frequency : S Band
• Instrumented Range : 100 km
• Target classification
• Mortar/Artillery/Rocket

ASELSAN Weapon Locating Radar detects enemy mortars, artilleries, and rocket launchers and accurately calculates point of impact and point of origin using state of the art technology

 

[Philip the Arab]

ASELSAN is one of the best in the world for Tactical Military Radios , Radars , Defense Electronic Systems and Electronic Warfare Systems ,etc

-- Northrop Grumman USA
-- Raytheon Company USA
-- BAE Systems THE UK
-- Leonardo ITALY
-- Thales FRANCE
-- Elbit Systems ISRAEL
-- Saab SWEDEN
-- Aselsan TURKEY



ASELSAN Radar and Electronic Warfare Technology Center
total of 776 engineers, 261 technical personnel and more than 200 support personnel are employed in the center

The technology center serves for the design, research and development, production, test and logistic support of mainly long range tracking radars but also of diverse radars and electronic warfare systems as well as antennas, microwave power modules and software

ASELSAN has associated companies in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates



ASELSAN radar products currently span L-Band, S-Band, X-Band ,Ku-Band systems and encompasses advanced radar technologies such as active phased array, GaAs and GaN

-- 30 km Air Defense Weapon System Fire Control Radar
-- 66 km ALPER Naval LPI Radar
-- 70 km Air Defense Weapon System Mobile Search Radar
-- 89 km SERDAR Coastal Surveillance LPI Radar
-- 100 km KALKAN 3D Air Defense Radar
-- 120 km KALKAN II Air search Radar
-- Synthetic Aperture Radar
-- 40 km ACAR Ground Surveillance Radar
-- Counter Mortar Radar


ASELSAN GaN based AESA Radar Projects

-- 450km CAFRAD Naval Radar for TF-2000 class Destroyers
-- 600km EIRS Early Warning Radar for SIPER Air Defense System
-- Airborne AESA Radar for F-16s


Multi-function Naval Radars in the World ... ( The US,The UK,France,Turkey,Japan,Russia,Israel,China )

-- 150 km Poliment 5P-20K ( Admiral Gorshkov class Frigate of the Russian Navy ) ... RUSSIA
-- 190 km Lockheed Martin AN/SPY-1D ( Arleigh Burke class Destroyer of the US Navy ) .... THE US
-- 222 km FCS-3 ( Akizuki class Destroyer of the Japanese Navy ) ...... JAPAN
-- 250 km EL/M-2248 MF-STAR ( Kolkata class Destroyer of the Indian Navy ) ... ISRAEL
-- 320 km Raytheon AN/SPY-3 ( Zumwalt class Destroyer of the US Navy ) .... THE US
-- 400 km BAE Systems SAMPSON ( Type-45 class Destroyer of the Royal Navy ) ... THE UK
-- 400 km Thales SMART-L ( Horizon class Destroyer of the French Navy ) .... FRANCE
-- 450 km H/LJG-346B ( Type 055 class Destroyer of the Chinese Navy ) ... CHINA
-- 450 km Aselsan CAFRAD ( TF-2000 class Destroyer of the Turkish Navy ) ... TURKEY

450 km CAFRAD Multi-function/illumination/Fire control/Long range Radar complex

Active, Non-Rotating IFF Antenna Subsystem
• STANAG 4193 compliant Mode 1/2/3/C/S/5 interrogation
• 450 km range

Active Phased Array Multifunction Radar
• X-Band
• Volume and horizon search
• Air/surface target detection, tracking and classification
• Sea-skimming fast-small target detection and tracking
• Multiple target precise tracking
• 150 km range
• Track capacity >1000

Active Phased Array Illumination Radar
• X-Band
• Semi-active missile guidance
• 150 km range

Active Phased Array Long Range Search Radar
• S-Band
• Long Range volume search
• Air/surface target detection, tracking and classification
• 450 km range
• Track capacity >2000





Land based long range AESA Radars in Europe


-- 470 km Thales Ground Master 400 ... FRANCE
-- 470 km Saab GIRAFFE 8A .... SWEDEN
-- 500 km Leonardo RAT-31DL ... ITALY
-- 600 km Aselsan EIRS .... TURKEY

Aselsan EIRS early warning Radar
EIRS is a new generation S-Band radar developed for long range early warning with its AESA and digital beamforming antenna architecture. EIRS has the ability to detect and track air breathing targets, ballistic missiles, anti-radiation missiles and stealth/low RCS targets from very long ranges

• State of the Art Solid-State Power Amplifier Technology
• Digital Beamforming
• Target Classification Capability
• Various Tactical Operation Modes
• Long Range Mod5/S IFF System (Compatible with NATO STANAG-4193)
• Compliance with the Tactical Communication Networks
• Advanced Electronic Protection Measures and Cyber Security
• Counter Measures against Anti-Radiation Missiles

Airborne AESA Radar

AESA Radar will be capable of non-co-operative and automatic target recognition, while also featuring protection against radar frequency jamming, and has electronic support and electronic attack functions

Its air-to-air capabilities include extended-range search, track while scan modes and weather detection, as well as multiple target tracking, providing mid-course guidance for missiles and battle damage assessment.

For ground surveillance applications, the design features synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and ground moving target indication/tracking (GMTI/T) modes, along with air-to-ground ranging

Aselsan believes its AESA radar could eventually compete with systems such as Northrop Grumman's APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar

Aselsan STR Weapon Locating Long Range Radar

• Active Electronically Scanning Array (AESA)
• Solid State Power Amplifier
• Digital Beam Forming
• High Performance Signal-Data Processing and Recording infrastructure
• Complex Signal and Data Processing algorithms

• Operating Frequency : S Band
• Instrumented Range : 100 km
• Target classification
• Mortar/Artillery/Rocket

ASELSAN Weapon Locating Radar detects enemy mortars, artilleries, and rocket launchers and accurately calculates point of impact and point of origin using state of the art technology

You can't compare their revenues. Raytheon makes 27 billion and Aselsan doesn't make above 5 billion.

 

[MMM-E]

You can't compare their revenues. Raytheon makes 27 billion and Aselsan doesn't make above 5 billion

We are not talking about revenues
We are talking about radar technology
and ASELSAN radar products currently span L-Band, S-Band, X-Band ,Ku-Band systems and encompasses advanced radar technologies such as active phased array, GaAs and GaN

 

[Philip the Arab]

We are not talking about revenues
We are talking about radar technology
and ASELSAN radar products currently span L-Band, S-Band, X-Band ,Ku-Band systems and encompasses advanced radar technologies such as active phased array, GaAs and GaN

Raytheon is ahead of ASELSAN by a good portion m8. Ask any defense expert and they will agree.

 

[Ansu fati]

You can't compare their revenues. Raytheon makes 27 billion and Aselsan doesn't make above 5 billion.

He’s saying that aselsan is in the same league as the best companies of course no one is claiming that aselsan is better than raytheon or northrop gruman we should all respect aselsan for all what they managed to achieve after all no one can beat us defrnse companies because us alone has bigger budget than all other 30 countries combined so it is obvious that raytheon will have several times bigger revenue yet aselsan still can produce products with quality close to products made by its us counterparts
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-become-global-player-in-underwater-sonar/amp

Aselsan made radar/product probably will always be behind raytheon but let’s be honest even the israeli companies are behind us only in air defense and missile technology russia is better than us in all other fields american companies have advantage however if turkey is able to completely develop its defense industry then rules will be changed i can bet that many countries will buy hisar family(hisar a hiaar o and hisar u) that in first stage will be behind other traditional systems but I expect that turkey will offer significant TOT and this kind of approach will put very big pressure on americans russians and europeans who usually don’t want to share any kind of TOT thanks to this kind of strategic vision in 10 years turkey will be top exporter and many products will have better quality than they have now actually turkey prefers joint production no matter if it sells or buys because turkey truly believes in multi polar world and is keen to get and share knowledge with partner countries
If you aks me why they would buy hisar family the answer is simple turkey won’t issue treats to you and you will have multi layered air defense complex covering your country i have big respect for s400 i think it’s the best but still s400 alone cannot safeguard your country effectively(there’s only one or two russian allies that have modern russian short medium and long range systems) if we talk about americans then they will sell you after 10 years for very big price only one patriot version and still you will need short and medium/long rage system and if you want to buy from russians short or medim to complement the whole air defense system there will be probably catsa sanctions and thanks to this arrogant approach when turkey will compete the hisar project a lot of countries will buy it because its cheaper no political concessions to turkey and multi layered system is more effective rather than one long range system even though the long range system(russian or american) would be maybe better against hisar u (if we use one on one comparison)

 

[MMM-E]

Raytheon is ahead of ASELSAN by a good portion m8. Ask any defense expert and they will agree.

Nobody compere here Aselsan with Raytheon

We are talking about ASELSAN radar , electronics and electronic warfare products which only a few companies develops in the world such as Northrop Grumman USA , Raytheon Company USA , BAE Systems THE UK , Leonardo ITALY , Thales FRANCE , Elbit Systems ISRAEL , Saab SWEDEN also Russian companies

for example Aselsan Infrared Photodetectors ....... ( only The US,Israel,France,Turkey )
-- HgCdTe
-- QWIP
-- InSb
-- InGaAs

 

[Oublious]

Calm your horses, this tech is still useful today, and you have to remember this is Egypt's first radar. How many nations even produce any air search radar? ASELSAN has been doing this since 1991, that's like comparing ASELSAN to Raytheon at present. There is also a 450KM 3D radar under development.

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It is a licence product, the most important parts will be imported from country x. What i want to tell you is with out R&D you will be never able to build a decent Radar. Everyone in the world is using Galium Nitrite(GaN) in ther T&R module for stronger radar. Againg you will be 30 years behind in basic radar, With GaN you can build more T&R module because it is more heat resistant and better characteristics in electricity.

This mean more universities and building your own defence industry with particaption of private sector. This is first step, i didn't see a decent time-line of projects from Egypt. You will see in the end that nobody will give you the tech, because everybody have invested time, money and people. The most difficult is educating engineers to that level.


Several years later you will be able to compare Aselsan with Raytheon.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is a licence product, the most important parts will be imported from country x. What i want to tell you is with out R&D you will be never able to build a decent Radar. Everyone in the world is using Galium Nitrite(GaN) in ther T&R module for stronger radar. Againg you will be 30 years behind in basic radar, With GaN you can build more T&R module because it is more heat resistant and better characteristics in electricity.

It is not a licensed product, it was licensed in the late 80s, and early 90s and the production run was complete. The most important parts of any radar are produced by a select number of countries, because it would be economic stupid to make your own part when it would be much cheaper to buy from a nation that is developed at producing those components. We honestly don't know what Egypt is up to because it doesn't brag like Turkey does and give updates like a social media bitch.

This mean more universities and building your own defence industry with particaption of private sector. This is first step, i didn't see a decent time-line of projects from Egypt. You will see in the end that nobody will give you the tech, because everybody have invested time, money and people. The most difficult is educating engineers to that level.

Egypt is building its own defense industry with participation with private sector. Again we don't know what is being researched by private, and military owned companies.

 

[Oublious]

It is not a licensed product, it was licensed in the late 80s, and early 90s and the production run was complete. The most important parts of any radar are produced by a select number of countries, because it would be economic stupid to make your own part when it would be much cheaper to buy from a nation that is developed at producing those components. We honestly don't know what Egypt is up to because it doesn't brag like Turkey does and give updates like a social media bitch.


Egypt is building its own defense industry with participation with private sector. Again we don't know what is being researched by private, and military owned companies.

You are a disaster, key compentents are made in foreigner countries for economic reason. You don't have the tech and like you are not working for that. Giving updates on social media is what Turks want to see, he if your companies don't work they will show nothing in the end.

 

[Philip the Arab]

You are a disaster, key compentents are made in foreigner countries for economic reason. You don't have the tech and like you are not working for that. Giving updates on social media is what Turks want to see, he if your companies don't work they will show nothing in the end.

Does China give updates everywhere?

 

[Kamil_baku]

Nobody compere here Aselsan with Raytheon

We are talking about ASELSAN radar , electronics and electronic warfare products which only a few companies develops in the world such as Northrop Grumman USA , Raytheon Company USA , BAE Systems THE UK , Leonardo ITALY , Thales FRANCE , Elbit Systems ISRAEL , Saab SWEDEN also Russian companies

for example Aselsan Infrared Photodetectors ....... ( only The US,Israel,France,Turkey )
-- HgCdTe
-- QWIP
-- InSb
-- InGaAs

there were a picture at Aselsan used Qwip technology.. this is an old picture. Aselsan also developed the latest version of it

 

[cabatli_53]

It is not a licensed product, it was licensed in the late 80s, and early 90s and the production run was complete. The most important parts of any radar are produced by a select number of countries, because it would be economic stupid to make your own part when it would be much cheaper to buy from a nation that is developed at producing those components. We honestly don't know what Egypt is up to because it doesn't brag like Turkey does and give updates like a social media bitch.


Egypt is building its own defense industry with participation with private sector. Again we don't know what is being researched by private, and military owned companies.

Those are the APAR S/X band TR module of Aselsan having a range more than 250km, exported to Thales Netherland. Those strategic modules are the heart of a radar. It has nothing to do with bragging. The capability is there in front of your eyes, and It is impossible to reach such capabilities in current engineering conditions of Egypt (in acc to my research).

 

[Philip the Arab]

Those are the APAR S/X band TR module of Aselsan having a range more than 250km, exported to Thales Netherland. Those strategic modules are the heart of a radar. It has nothing to do with bragging. The capability is there in front of your eyes, and It is impossible to reach such capabilities in current engineering conditions of Egypt (in acc to my research).

Don't you think it would be cheaper to buy them COTS from China or Russia? You are assuming that Egypt would want to produce them in house when even some European nations don't produce them in their nations some of the time.