Turkish Air Defence Programs

[Mert_Ank]

I am not talking about ASELSAN end product or subsystems, I am talking about laser source. Is it made in TR or imported? If you find it on google please let me know.

And please, most lasers are NOT licenced around the world.

http://www.fiberlast.com.tr/

 

[Inspector Spacetime]

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No need to threaten to invade them to be threatened.

As a member of NATO level 1 (and hosting its bases) you are continually a threat. Therefore you are a major target of the Middle East.

But I understand that it is totally unfair to blackmail (USA and EU) by giving technology transfer to Israel to ensure its own anti-ballistic defense and not to you also.

To appease you, South Korea suffers the same hindrances.

The detection radar exists (Aselsan EIRS), only the very long range interceptor is missing. So the best is probably to use this money (S-400) to develop it and become definitely independent. So patience...


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The direct procurement of air defence is more of a stopgap. Because they do have the desire to develop their own long range defence system, but the defence minister said that it would take about 5 years to develop it.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

The direct procurement of air defence is more of a stopgap. Because they do have the desire to develop their own long range defence system, but the defence minister said that it would take about 5 years to develop it.

I am extremely perplexed about a simple purchase to overcome the need supposedly urgent of an anti-ballistic shield.

Even if Turkey procures the S-400 without transferring technology and with all the annoyances that go with it, such as non-integration with the NATO system - decreases greatly its efficiency -. It will take at least 1 to 1 year and a half to manufacture and deliver the system. And almost 1 year longer for the training of mens. This is already 2 years to 2 years and half lost over the 5 years.

Not to mention the mutual protection Article 5 (Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all) - which will call on the MIM-104 Patriot German or Italian system stationed on the continent - in the event of real threats which may be invoked by Turkey.

If he had just a concealed secret ploy of 'stopgap' - I do not know who in Turkey - its programs would not even exist:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...dates-discussions.332876/page-51#post-9498166

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...dates-discussions.332876/page-49#post-9453328



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[Inspector Spacetime]

I am extremely perplexed about a simple purchase to overcome the need supposedly urgent of an anti-ballistic shield.

Even if Turkey procures the S-400 without transferring technology and with all the annoyances that go with it, such as non-integration with the NATO system - decreases greatly its efficiency -. It will take at least 1 to 1 year and a half to manufacture and deliver the system. And almost 1 year longer for the training of mens. This is already 2 years to 2 years and half lost over the 5 years.

Not to mention the mutual protection Article 5 (Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all) - which will call on the MIM-104 Patriot German or Italian system stationed on the continent - in the event of real threats which may be invoked by Turkey.

If he had just a concealed secret ploy of 'stopgap' - I do not know who in Turkey - its programs would not even exist:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...dates-discussions.332876/page-51#post-9498166

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...dates-discussions.332876/page-49#post-9453328



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I don't know buddy, I personally never wanted them to buy S400 missile's. Would've preferred Aster or Patriot for direct procurement because of the whole Nato system thing. But with the recent Saudi deal, maybe Turkey will make a similar deal like the Saudi's did and purchase Patriots and/or THAAD with 50% production in Turkey (that is what's in the Saudi deal if I understood correctly, I'm counting on you to correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[flamer84]

I don't know buddy, I personally never wanted them to buy S400 missile's. Would've preferred Aster or Patriot for direct procurement because of the whole Nato system thing. But with the recent Saudi deal, maybe Turkey will make a similar deal like the Saudi's did and purchase Patriots and/or THAAD with 50% production in Turkey (that is what's in the Saudi deal if I understood correctly, I'm counting on you to correct me if I'm wrong).

Patriot maybe....see the Polish tender where they're trying to squeeze some ToT and offsets but THAAD comes rapped in a bow from the manufacturer, never mind the bill for it,which is way above what TUrkey wants.

People are often overlooking the financial aspect. Going by the figures advanced until now Turkey wants 12 systems with a 4-5 billion $ paycheck but we see Poland wanting to pay 7.6 billions for 8 systems or Romania 4.4 billions for 6-7 systems.

 

[what]

MEADS. No one interested in MEADS?

Its an up to date system. The newest on the market.

 

[theman111]

MEADS. No one interested in MEADS?

Its an up to date system. The newest on the market.

david sling

 

[what]

david sling

Unrealistic and not on the table. Requires US approval and technology transfer for Turkey, so not really a topic.

 

[theman111]

Unrealistic and not on the table. Requires US approval and technology transfer for Turkey, so not really a topic.

s 400 will not have tech transfer

I don't know buddy, I personally never wanted them to buy S400 missile's. Would've preferred Aster or Patriot for direct procurement because of the whole Nato system thing. But with the recent Saudi deal, maybe Turkey will make a similar deal like the Saudi's did and purchase Patriots and/or THAAD with 50% production in Turkey (that is what's in the Saudi deal if I understood correctly, I'm counting on you to correct me if I'm wrong).

patriot good only for planes thadd for space missles
and i dont think they will give you tech transfer

 

[theman111]

barak 8

 

[c-dome1]

usa sell to poland patriot system with stunner interceptor(david sling interceptor) its more for missle im not sure how much for planes but use aprove is its in negotiaion im not sure how much refael will get from the deal cause radar and everything will be american only interceptor stunner im not sure about tech transfer

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/poland-poised-to-buy-patriot-months-of-negotiations-ahead

 

[YoungTurk01]

http://www.dha.com.tr/putinden-flas-s400-aciklamasi_1521986.html#.WTA-6skrfjo.twitter

http://www.dha.com.tr/putinden-flas-s400-aciklamasi_1521986.html#.WTA-6skrfjo.twitter

Putin tops Erdogana atti, lol

http://savunmaveteknoloji.com/putin-turkiyeye-s-400-satmaya-haziriz/

http://www.dha.com.tr/putinden-flas-s400-aciklamasi_1521986.html#.WTA-6skrfjo.twitter


Putin topu Erdogana atti, bakalim Erdogan bey ne yapacak...

http://savunmaveteknoloji.com/putin-turkiyeye-s-400-satmaya-haziriz/

 

[Endurance]

https://twitter.com/x/status/870365624890949633

 

[Beno]

35 mm caliber is totally fast and great.

Not really, it's actually really bad. 4km range is extremely small for an anti air weapon, jets can fly 10km so you won't even be able to shoot down aircrafts. In 1932 Sweden built a 40mm anti aircraft gun that had a range of 7km and has since then upgraded it to have a range of 12km. Turkey making an anti aircraft platform with a range of only 4km in 2017 is way too short. Korkut is nearly 70 years behind in range.

But the worst part about korkut is that it's not even Turkish, the vehicle is made by fnss which is co-owned with Britain, the engine is a German import and the gun is built by mkek under license to a German company (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oerlikon_GDF).

The whole project is just a waste of time.

Sorry for ranting

 

[UkroTurk]

Not really, it's actually really bad. 4km range is extremely small for an anti air weapon, jets can fly 10km so you won't even be able to shoot down aircrafts. In 1932 Sweden built a 40mm anti aircraft gun that had a range of 7km and has since then upgraded it to have a range of 12km. Turkey making an anti aircraft platform with a range of only 4km in 2017 is way too short. Korkut is nearly 70 years behind in range.

But the worst part about korkut is that it's not even Turkish, the vehicle is made by fnss which is co-owned with Britain, the engine is a German import and the gun is built by mkek under license to a German company (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oerlikon_GDF).

The whole project is just a waste of time.

Sorry for ranting

What does CIWS mean?
"Close impact weapon system" Is not against aircrafts though can be used against aircrafts.
CIWS is used against missiles.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you 40 mm bofors hasn't got any affect from 7km against new modern aircrafts .