Turkish Air Defence Programs

[wulff]

Does it matter that it's not a cold launch as long as the result is the same. You swap the used tube out with a new one, and you're ready to go again.

If this is the first version, I hope the next versions can be more compact.

I have a somewhat radical idea for a MANPAD. I want to see ROKETSAN develop a longer ranged, higher altitude capable portable missile after this. Something like that unique iranian SAM which bought down a saudi tornado in yemen recently. A two-stage, field assembleable missile powered either by a rocket motor or a turbojet motor or a combination of the two.

This missile would be significantly larger and heavier than current manpads, but easily transportable by infantry in a disassembed form. This is very doable with today's technology. An ASRAAM, for example, is 2.9m long and weighs 88 kg. It is capable of hitting targets beyond 50km when launched from a fighter. So ground launched version should be capable of hitting targets at 15-20km without any additional booster.

Instead of being shoulder launched, make this missile launchable from a field assembled tripod, somewhat similar to a large mortar. Maybe develop a motorcycle-mounted launcher for it. That could go places a four wheel vehicle couldn't. Firing it from a jeep should be no problem either.

A 12-15 km range portable SAM which can hit targets at upto 30,000 ft would not just be a manpad on steroids, but also a revolutionary weapon in some very specialized roles. It can provide air defence in high altitude mountain warfare, be used in clandestine ops vs enemy airbases, give friendly forces in Libya and Syria a weapon capable of taking out high flying aircraft and drones.

 

[Agha Sher]

I have a somewhat radical idea for a MANPAD. I want to see ROKETSAN develop a longer ranged, higher altitude capable portable missile after this. Something like that unique iranian SAM which bought down a saudi tornado in yemen recently. A two-stage, field assembleable missile powered either by a rocket motor or a turbojet motor or a combination of the two.

This missile would be significantly larger and heavier than current manpads, but easily transportable by infantry in a disassembed form. This is very doable with today's technology. An ASRAAM, for example, is 2.9m long and weighs 88 kg. It is capable of hitting targets beyond 50km when launched from a fighter. So ground launched version should be capable of hitting targets at 15-20km without any additional booster.

Instead of being shoulder launched, make this missile launchable from a field assembled tripod, somewhat similar to a large mortar. Maybe develop a motorcycle-mounted launcher for it. That could go places a four wheel vehicle couldn't. Firing it from a jeep should be no problem either.

A 12-15 km range portable SAM which can hit targets at upto 30,000 ft would not just be a manpad on steroids, but also a revolutionary weapon in some very specialized roles. It can provide air defence in high altitude mountain warfare, be used in clandestine ops vs enemy airbases, give friendly forces in Libya and Syria a weapon capable of taking out high flying aircraft and drones.

The problem at such ranges would be target search/identification as well as guiding the missile towards the target. It would probably require ground-based assistance from e.g. a radar.

 

[era_shield]

what about defenseworldnet ?


According to Turkish media, the Sungur utilizes Titanium warhead and a long-range radar. It uses Soviet cold-launch technology

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...fense_System_Ready_for_Induction#.Xv2oiPkzbIW

News sites, including defense sites, often do this - one of them writes up some BS and the others just assume its true and copy it.

By the way, cold launch would be a poor design choice for a MANPADS because it adds complexity for little to no benefit - it's more beneficial for vertical launch systems with big rocket motors or sometimes on ships.

 

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News sites, including defense sites, often do this - one of them writes up some BS and the others just assume its true and copy it.

By the way, cold launch would be a poor design choice for a MANPADS because it adds complexity for little to no benefit - it's more beneficial for vertical launch systems with big rocket motors or sometimes on ships.

The issue isn't so much complexity, a simple gas generator could be used, the issue is the principle of using such a launch system requires that the launch system can endure a certain amount of recoil before the gasses push the missile out. Shoulder launching a 12kg missile at required velocity, is just silly...

What is nice to see is the warheads pyrophoric titanium shrapnel.

 

[-SINAN-]

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Bunun nişangahı nerde?

 

[SİLAHDAR]

Bunun nişangahı nerde?

it is attached like difrrent module. İts just tube.

 

[wulff]

The problem at such ranges would be target search/identification as well as guiding the missile towards the target. It would probably require ground-based assistance from e.g. a radar.

No, you won't need a radar track, today's IIR seekers like the ones on AIM-9x, R-73/74, ASRAAM, A-Darter can track targets at max ranges which comfortably exceed this. The bigger challenge i suppose would be keeping down the weight and a field-assembly capability.

With existing manpads the size and weight is constrained to allow a soldier to fire it from his shoulder. This may have made sense 40-50 years ago when infantry marched on foot, but today troops hardly move that way over any significant distance. And MRAPs, ATVs and even motorcycles can go places where other vehicles just cant.

Making the missile larger so it can be fired from these vehicles makes sense, and if it has to be set up at a more inaccessible location like a mountain top position, it can be carried in a disassembled form and reassembled on site.

 

[Bismarck]

Sungur is the name of the launcher system or missile?

 

[-SINAN-]

Sungur is the name of the launcher system or missile?

From what i understand.

Sungur is the name of the launcher.
When it is going to be a manpad it's name will be Porsav.

 

[Bismarck]

From what i understand.

Sungur is the name of the launcher.
When it is going to be a manpad it's name will be Porsav.

Thats my guess, too. But why using a bird name Sungur, like other missiles?

 

[AerospaceTech]

Thats my guess, too. But why using a bird name Sungur, like other missiles?

I guess its a all in one/all together system https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...defense-system-is-ready-to-enter-service-4105

 

[Bismarck]

Thats really confusing. Next time use a technical identification consisting of numbers and letters, like Sg55m or something.

 

[merzifonlu]

Thats really confusing. Next time use a technical identification consisting of numbers and letters, like Sg55m or something.

You are right. It's time to make this identification.

 

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Would like to see the next iteration of Korkut have Sungur integrated into it.

 

[Nutuk]

From what i understand.

Sungur is the name of the launcher.
When it is going to be a manpad it's name will be Porsav.

PORSAV (portable defense) was the project name, now the product has been developed the missile is named Sungur