Turkey wants to buy 40 new F-16 block70 and 80 F-16 modernization to the Viper standard

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Has turkey and greece discussed owning economic benefits from the disputed seas in a 50-50 partnership? It seems both claims are very strong, only way to resolve would be some out-of-box solution. Conflict is a traditional solution.

Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean by international law


Greek Islands dont have Continental Shelf of 200 nm , only Territorial Water of 6nm
because of Greece is not Island State like Indonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm

so Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island



Greeks are dreaming with Seville Map

Reality , Nobody can enter MAVI VATAN ( Turkish EEZ )

 

[ARCH٤R]

Would TAI manufacture them locally?

 

[Foinikas]

Reality , Nobody can enter MAVI VATAN ( Turkish EEZ )

Reality: You are getting no F-16 Vipers,F-35s and Altay.

We are getting Rafale,F-16Vs,Belharra,Gowind and Spike NLOS.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Turkey should have bought entire Greece for few million pounds during their economic crisis and ended this miserable country once and for all….

 

[jayhawk913]

Turkey should have bought entire Greece for few million pounds during their economic crisis and ended this miserable country once and for all….

Best comment in this forum...lol

 

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Reality: You are getting no F-16 Vipers,F-35s and Altay.

We are getting Rafale,F-16Vs,Belharra,Gowind and Spike NLOS.

Reality : Greece has limited strike capability

Turkey has already S400 , HISAR-O , TRLG-230 , SLAM-ER , HARM , AKYA , HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM , BORA , KUZGUN-TJ to turn Rafale,F-16Vs,Belharra,Gowind into crap of metal

2nd batch of S400 is on the way

Also
-- TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs in service
-- MIUS unmanned stealth Fighter Jet under development
-- KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems in service
-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWC in service
-- 600 km EIRS early warning AESA Radar enter service next month
-- 12 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircrafts in service
-- 12 Type-209 hunter killer Submarines in service
-- 16 Frigates armed with 673 SAMs in service
-- 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes in service
-- ISTIF class stealth Frigate under construction
-- Type-214TN class AIP Submarine in sea trials
-- SIPER high altitude long range Air Defense System under development
-- Supersonic Anti-ship Missile under development
-- GOKHAN RaMJet engined long range Air to Air Missile under development
-- AKBABA anti-radiation Missile under development
-- KARGI anti-radiation Drone is coming
-- Unmanned armed Vessel and Submarine

and many more including 40 km KUZGUN-KY Missile which is superior to 25 km İsraeli SPIKE-NLOS


24 Rafale and 3 BELHARA Frigates can not change anything
Greece has some advantage in the Aegean
but Greece never can match with Turkey in the Eastern Mediterranean ....... its Turkey's play zone


Turkey created great A2AD capability to protect Turkish EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[Oldman1]

Hope the U.S. can sell the f-16s to help repair the ties with Turkey. Its a good deal for both sides.

 

[IblinI]

“fucking bastard chinese,greek,persin,pakistani,arab bastards

I will leave PDF ............**** YOU”---MMM-E

lol, I knew you need this forum so bad to spread your list, a man can't keep his word.

 

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so bad to spread your list

I know , My list hurts you so much ....

No tolerance to anti-Turkish propaganda on PDF


btw you can not provoke me no more to ban by Mods .... We are now 2 guys 7/24 to be on PDF and only civilized discuss

İf you have enough knowledge then glad to see you for joining us ..... but always off-topic posts from you to provoke me

 

[IblinI]

So you vow to leave PDF and coming back as if nothing happened and now this? Are you freaking kidding me, 2 guys 24/7 ?

We are now 2 guys 7/24 to be on PDF and only civilized discuss

 

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Hope the U.S. can sell the f-16s to help repair the ties with Turkey. Its a good deal for both sides.

American Presidents are so weak


Chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee Senator Bob Menendez who married an ethnic Armenian lady ( Nadine Arslanian ) always engaged to destroy good ties with Turkey

I know Armenian , Greek , İsraeli lobbies will use again Senator Menendez as a pawn to block sale of F-16V to Turkey

and Turkey will buy more weapons from Russia


Anti-Turkish Senator Menendez should resign from Congress to repair the ties with Turkey

 

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Turkey is a NATO ally. What possible security threats does Turkey see?

NATO Countries are security threats to Turkey


1--) USA - France uses PKK/YPG Terror organization as proxy to destroy Syria's and Turkey's territorial integrity

but between 2016 and 2020 , 3 Turkish military operations blocked USA-France plan in Syria


2--) USA - France support and provoke Greece to steal oil/gas reserves from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean



100 years ago The UK,France,Italy,Greece,Armenia all together attacked Turkey

today same senario USA-France,Greece,PKK/YPG ,etc are preparing to attack Turkey
even France-Greece have signed defence pact to fight against Turkey


100 years ago We Turks beat all of them when the Turks were the weakest period
today Turkey is 100 times stronger than 1920

 

[Kaptan Reis]

Reality: You are getting no F-16 Vipers,F-35s and Altay.

We are getting Rafale,F-16Vs,Belharra,Gowind and Spike NLOS.

Between us, you know very well that you do not have the capacity to defend yourself without the help of others.

Do you trust France? You have how they abandoned the Algerian harkis, the Armenians, the Afghans, the Syrians and even the Ukrainians against the Russians.
By choosing this camp, Greece will alienate Russia and China in the event of a conflict with the EU and the USA.
It is better to be on good terms with your neighbor than your cousin at 3000 km
Good luck to you.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey has already S400 , HISAR-O , TRLG-230 , SLAM-ER , HARM , AKYA , HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM , BORA , KUZGUN-TJ to turn Rafale,F-16Vs,Belharra,Gowind into crap of metal

Bwahahahahaha he's back posting in the same way as before

2nd batch of S400 is on the way

Then say goodbye to F-16Vs and welcome more US sanctions

24 Rafale and 3 BELHARA Frigates can not change anything
Greece has some advantage in the Aegean
but Greece never can match with Turkey in the Eastern Mediterranean ....... its Turkey's play zone

Belharra is the game changer in the Eastern Mediterranean. Along with the Gowind it will revive our Navy.

100 years ago We Turks beat all of them when the Turks were the weakest period
today Turkey is 100 times stronger than 1920

You basically fought with just Greece and a tiny band of Armenians who were given a huge territory they couldn't defend.
The French didn't care about Cilicia just like Kemal Ataturk had predicted.He said they cared more about Syria so they wouldn't fight for Cilicia. There were only a few small skirmishes with the French and they left for Syria anyway. The British did nothing.
So the myth of "We fought with all western powers and won" is fairy-tales.

today same senario USA-France,Greece,PKK/YPG ,etc are preparing to attack Turkey
even France-Greece have signed defence pact to fight against Turkey

NOT to attack. To DEFEND against your expansionist policies and aggressive behavior.

American Presidents are so weak

Why? Because they don't tolerate Erdogan's stupid behavior?

NATO Countries are security threats to Turkey

Well then leave NATO?

NATO Countries are security threats to Turkey


1--) USA - France uses PKK/YPG Terror organization as proxy to destroy Syria's and Turkey's territorial integrity

but between 2016 and 2020 , 3 Turkish military operations blocked USA-France plan in Syria


2--) USA - France support and provoke Greece to steal oil/gas reserves from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean



100 years ago The UK,France,Italy,Greece,Armenia all together attacked Turkey

today same senario USA-France,Greece,PKK/YPG ,etc are preparing to attack Turkey
even France-Greece have signed defence pact to fight against Turkey


100 years ago We Turks beat all of them when the Turks were the weakest period
today Turkey is 100 times stronger than 1920

 

[Foinikas]

Ya Kaptan,I wanted to reply to you in a seperate post,not with the other guy above.

Between us, you know very well that you do not have the capacity to defend yourself without the help of others.

It's always been like this,but the last 10-12 years with the crisis and all,our Navy has fallen behind. We still have a pretty good navy that can more than much most of the Turkish ships,but the problem is you've been making ships like crazy in the last 10 years,while our crisis governments would neglect the Armed Forces. We also lack IFVs and MRAPs for the army and of course there too you have the numerical advantage.

The good thing is we only want to defend. The bad thing is we've fallen behind. However we're still pretty strong in the air.

Do you trust France? You have how they abandoned the Algerian harkis, the Armenians, the Afghans, the Syrians and even the Ukrainians against the Russians.

The truth is Greeks have learned from history,not to expect much from the Allies. But if France has interests and they do have interests right now,they will help us.

The Germans didn't help us with Erdogan's provocations the last 2-3 years. In fact they were pro-Turkish (as always) and their stance alienated them from us even more. For example,their frigate proposal,although very good,was rejected from the beginning due to political reasons and common sense.
France was the only European power that actually stood by us during the tensions of the last 3 years or so. Well the Austrians,Hungarians and Poles did too,but they are not big powers in Europe,you understand.

And they are also very angry at Erdogan and his behavior.

By choosing this camp, Greece will alienate Russia and China in the event of a conflict with the EU and the USA.

Unfortunately,Russia chose to cooperate with Turkey and sell S-400s to you guys. Of course our governments alienated themselves from Russia too,since 2009. For me that was stupid,but the Russians didn't help much when they started cooperating with Erdy.

And what shocked everyone was how Putin abandoned the Armenians last year. Many people were disappointed and others just laughed and pointed out how "Orthodox Russia" is selling weapons to the Turks and that it's all about money.

It is better to be on good terms with your neighbor than your cousin at 3000 km
Good luck to you.

But that's what you guys don't understand. Probably because your government doesn't want you to understand it. We've been so ridiculously appeasing and trying to find a solution peacefully and be on good terms with you,but with the AKPs claims,demands and foreign policy...it's impossible. Your government says "we are a peaceful people,we only want our rights" and then send ships RIGHT NEXT TO CRETE and harass the Naval Geo. Turkish officials say "we want to find a fair solution to this" and then you demand islands,more EEZ and threaten with war if you don't get yours.

That's the problem. You can't say "Northern Cyprus is a different country" and then say "It's one island,you must share the profits with us or don't drill."