Turkey wants to buy 40 new F-16 block70 and 80 F-16 modernization to the Viper standard

[Kaptan Reis]

Bwahahahahaha he's back posting in the same way as before


Then say goodbye to F-16Vs and welcome more US sanctions


Belharra is the game changer in the Eastern Mediterranean. Along with the Gowind it will revive our Navy.


You basically fought with just Greece and a tiny band of Armenians who were given a huge territory they couldn't defend.
The French didn't care about Cilicia just like Kemal Ataturk had predicted.He said they cared more about Syria so they wouldn't fight for Cilicia. There were only a few small skirmishes with the French and they left for Syria anyway. The British did nothing.
So the myth of "We fought with all western powers and won" is fairy-tales.


NOT to attack. To DEFEND against your expansionist policies and aggressive behavior.


Why? Because they don't tolerate Erdogan's stupid behavior?


Well then leave NATO?

stop begging europe and americans, the difference between turkish and you, you depend on the eu. You are unable to get by without the help of the EU.

Amazing to see people like you speaking when their country is unable to cope without the help of hundreds of billions of euros from Europeans
Greece Government debt accounted for 205.6 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Dec 2020, compared with the ratio of 199.8 % in the previous quarter.

Ya Kaptan,I wanted to reply to you in a seperate post,not with the other guy above.


It's always been like this,but the last 10-12 years with the crisis and all,our Navy has fallen behind. We still have a pretty good navy that can more than much most of the Turkish ships,but the problem is you've been making ships like crazy in the last 10 years,while our crisis governments would neglect the Armed Forces. We also lack IFVs and MRAPs for the army and of course there too you have the numerical advantage.

The good thing is we only want to defend. The bad thing is we've fallen behind. However we're still pretty strong in the air.


The truth is Greeks have learned from history,not to expect much from the Allies. But if France has interests and they do have interests right now,they will help us.

The Germans didn't help us with Erdogan's provocations the last 2-3 years. In fact they were pro-Turkish (as always) and their stance alienated them from us even more. For example,their frigate proposal,although very good,was rejected from the beginning due to political reasons and common sense.
France was the only European power that actually stood by us during the tensions of the last 3 years or so. Well the Austrians,Hungarians and Poles did too,but they are not big powers in Europe,you understand.

And they are also very angry at Erdogan and his behavior.


Unfortunately,Russia chose to cooperate with Turkey and sell S-400s to you guys. Of course our governments alienated themselves from Russia too,since 2009. For me that was stupid,but the Russians didn't help much when they started cooperating with Erdy.

And what shocked everyone was how Putin abandoned the Armenians last year. Many people were disappointed and others just laughed and pointed out how "Orthodox Russia" is selling weapons to the Turks and that it's all about money.


But that's what you guys don't understand. Probably because your government doesn't want you to understand it. We've been so ridiculously appeasing and trying to find a solution peacefully and be on good terms with you,but with the AKPs claims,demands and foreign policy...it's impossible. Your government says "we are a peaceful people,we only want our rights" and then send ships RIGHT NEXT TO CRETE and harass the Naval Geo. Turkish officials say "we want to find a fair solution to this" and then you demand islands,more EEZ and threaten with war if you don't get yours.

That's the problem. You can't say "Northern Cyprus is a different country" and then say "It's one island,you must share the profits with us or don't drill."

Instead of looking for the provocation with the Turks, therefore looks in what state put your friends your country. These are not the Turks that brad your lands and fly your cities. Continue to believe you more than a beef during this time the EU buys everything you have left.

 

[Foinikas]

stop begging europe and americans, the difference between turkish and you, you depend on the eu. You are unable to get by without the help of the EU.

Amazing to see people like you speaking when their country is unable to cope without the help of hundreds of billions of euros from Europeans
Greece Government debt accounted for 205.6 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Dec 2020, compared with the ratio of 199.8 % in the previous quarter.


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Kaptan-bey,don't talk about debts and economy because Turkey's inflation right now is so bad,you're barely making it without riots.
You know where your prices are going and how people are complaining there. It's not in your favor to go there now

 

[Kaptan Reis]

Kaptan-bey,don't talk about debts and economy because Turkey's inflation right now is so bad,you're barely making it without riots.
You know where your prices are going and how people are complaining there. It's not in your favor to go there now

Do not believe in what you hear in the media, in France people are in the street, do you think they are in misery ?, Some Turks want iPhone 13 Pro, they think all Europeans have Mercedes and The last iPhones in their pockets,
Especially young people, they want everything without working, as in all countries in Turkey the rich are even richer and the poor poorer. Come to Istanbul you will see if you find a parking space to park you, when it's the crisis in a country, you do not find anything to eat in the shops.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey should have bought entire Greece for few million pounds during their economic crisis and ended this miserable country once and for all….

Oh you silly boy! You hate us so much,don't you?

 

[Kaptan Reis]

The French leaders make fun of you, Macron does not listen to his people, he does not have compassion for the French, do you really think he's going to have for the Greek people?.

Here's what you can find in the streets of France, advertising poster.
Greeks must have good relationships with their neighbors and not do the game of other countries.

 

[Foinikas]

Do not believe in what you hear in the media, in France people are in the street, do you think they are in misery ?, Some Turks want iPhone 13 Pro, they think all Europeans have Mercedes and The last iPhones in their pockets,
Especially young people, they want everything without working, as in all countries in Turkey the rich are even richer and the poor poorer. Come to Istanbul you will see if you find a parking space to park you, when it's the crisis in a country, you do not find anything to eat in the shops.

Oh I don't doubt that. All I'm saying is that your economy is getting worse every day. Of course you have had a much stronger economy than us the last 15 years,but people like you (who are not bots like MMM-E),are smarter to know that Greece wasn't like Venezuela or Uganda during the crisis. For some reason people from other countries and especially people who don't like us,think that stores are empty and that we live like some kind of central African country. Which is wrong. If you visit you will see it. Yes Greeks love to nag about the bills and taxes,but they will go eat outside and spend money at bouzoukia at the same time

One question: Fener,Galatasaray or Besiktas?

 

[MMM-E]

Then say goodbye to F-16Vs and welcome more US sanctions

if No 2nd batch of S400
then 40 F-16V+80 F-16V modernization

if No F-16V to Turkey
then 2nd batch of S400

Belharra is the game changer in the Eastern Mediterranean. Along with the Gowind it will revive our Navy.

very funny


only a few hours and no more BELHARRA Frigates

even 10 AKINCI UCAVs can carry 60 KUZGUN-TJ IIR guided joint strike missiles for swarm attack on BELHARRA Frigate from 200 km away

60 KUZGUN-TJ joint strike missiles : max 10 million
BELHARRA Frigate : $1 billion


BELHARRA Frigate armed with only 32 SAMs and never can counter swarm attack of 60 KUZGUN-TJ Missiles

Turkey can produce hundreds of KUZGUN-TJ IIR guided joint strike missiles to carry by AKINCI , F-16 and upcoming HURJET

Even I am not talking about 250 km ATMACA and 280 km SOM-C anti ship missiles
and 450+ HARPOON and SLAM-ER anti ship missiles



btw Greece buys 3 BELHARRA Frigates and Turkey produce 4 ISTIF class stealth Frigates

and Turkey has already 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes
also until 2025 , Turkey will modernize 4 MEKO-200 Frigates with stealth capabilities and most modern AESA Radar , EW System and Weapons

Turkey now produce unmanned Vessels armed with 250km ATMACA anti-ship Missiles and AKYA heavyweight Torpedo

also Turkey to produce 10 new FACs armed with 76mm gun , 8x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles and 21x RAM

also Turkey to produce 10 new OPV armed with 76mm gun , 8x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles and 8x HISAR SAMs



game changer is Turkish UCAVs , not pathetic BELHARRA Frigate

NOT to attack. To DEFEND against your expansionist policies and aggressive behavior.

İts your expansionist policies and aggressive behavior led by USA and France
even Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean by international law

 

[Wood]

NATO Countries are security threats to Turkey


1--) USA - France uses PKK/YPG Terror organization as proxy to destroy Syria's and Turkey's territorial integrity

but between 2016 and 2020 , 3 Turkish military operations blocked USA-France plan in Syria


2--) USA - France support and provoke Greece to steal oil/gas reserves from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean



100 years ago The UK,France,Italy,Greece,Armenia all together attacked Turkey

today same senario USA-France,Greece,PKK/YPG ,etc are preparing to attack Turkey
even France-Greece have signed defence pact to fight against Turkey


100 years ago We Turks beat all of them when the Turks were the weakest period
today Turkey is 100 times stronger than 1920

Interesting. I did not know that Turkey and France were not getting along. What is the problem between the two countries? I suppose your view will be a Turkish perspective. But it would be interesting to know, regardless.

 

[MMM-E]

We have learned that on 30 september 2021 , The Turkish Ministry of Defense sent a Letter of Request (LoR) to the American government for the acquisition of 40 new F-16C/D Block 70 Viper Fighter Jets as well as the modernization of a total of 80 existing Turkish F-16s to the Viper standard




another source REUTERS

Turkey asks U.S. to buy 40 F-16 jets to upgrade Air Force -sources

Turkey has made a request to the U.S. to buy 40 Lockheed Martin-made F-16 fighter jets and nearly 80 modernization kits for its existing warplanes, as the NATO ally looks to modernize its Air Force after the purchase of F-35 jets fell through, sources familiar with the matter said.

www.reuters.com

 

[Foinikas]

f No 2nd batch of S400
then 40 F-16V+80 F-16V modernization

if No F-16V to Turkey
then 2nd batch of S400

You don't get it,do you? THEY'RE PISSED OFF AT YOU. They want you to get rid of the S-400s. Not to bargain!

ery funny


only a few hours and no more BELHARRA Frigates

even 10 AKINCI UCAVs can carry 60 KUZGUN-TJ IIR guided joint strike missiles for swarm attack on BELHARRA Frigate from 200 km away

60 KUZGUN-TJ joint strike missiles : max 10 million
BELHARRA Frigate : $1 billion


BELHARRA Frigate armed with only 32 SAMs and never can counter swarm attack of 60 KUZGUN-TJ Missiles

Turkey can produce hundreds of KUZGUN-TJ IIR guided joint strike missiles to carry by AKINCI , F-16 and upcoming HURJET

Even I am not talking about 250 km ATMACA and 280 km SOM-C anti ship missiles
and 450+ HARPOON and SLAM-ER anti ship missiles

You masturbatory fantasies are amusing. That's a lot of "upcoming" stuff there,mate.

btw Greece buys 3 BELHARRA Frigates and Turkey produce 4 ISTIF class stealth Frigates

You've barely just finished construction of the first Istanbul class frigate.

and Turkey has already 4 ADA class stealth Corvettes

Yes,very stealthy. Was followed by our frigate all day.

game changer is Turkish UCAVs , not pathetic BELHARRA Frigate

Sure buddy,if that makes you feel better.

İts your expansionist policies and aggressive behavior

Funny,you talk about expansionist policies and you post a map that shows Lesvos island as Turkish...

 

[araz]

Isn't it hilarious after all of Erdogan's mocking of Biden and the US and the loud statements about keeping the S-400s and buying whatever they want,now he folds again like a snake. And all the statements of buying fighter jets and submarines from Russia and now suddenly "hey sir,can you give us some F-16 Vipers? We love Amerika"

But seriously,I'm sure Lockheed Martin will pressure the government and Congress about the deal. After all,it's good money.

Remember,he did the same with Putin a few years ago:

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Yeah but diplomacy is one thing and f*cking everything with a childish foreign policy and then suddenly changing your mind after you made bold statements of "We are a sovereign country,nobody can tell Turkey what to buy",that sir,that is another matter.

Political maneouvering require alteration of course sometimes. GWB at one time thought we were part of the axis of evil. The same GWB toasted Mushy in Camp David. This is the world and politics has no friendships or enem8es just congruent and divergent interests.
There are however a few interesting repurcussions of this requests.
A. Have the Turks encountered problems with their AESA radar development.
B. Is this the way to grease the palm of Lockmart and the US Govtt to allow them integration of local radar onto the rest of their F16 fleet.
C. Have there been some delays with the TFX or does Turkey have other motives ie fleet replenishment in view of the Greek acquisition of the Rafale.
D. How will US perceive the request and how will it respond.
The space needs watching because outcomes will determine where the Turkish are heading.
A

 

[Foinikas]

Interesting. I did not know that Turkey and France were not getting along. What is the problem between the two countries? I suppose your view will be a Turkish perspective. But it would be interesting to know, regardless.

One of the reasons is the fact that along with Italian companies,French companies were given contracts to search for oil and gas in the Greek Cypriot EEZ and the Turks made a fuss about it.
Another reason is that a French frigate enforcing the UN arms blockade on Libya,was targeted 3 times by a Turkish Navy vessel that was escorting a ship going to Libya.
Recently,a French research ship called Naval Geo,that was hired by Greece to conduct oil and gas searches in the Greek EEZ,was harassed by the Turkish Navy just a few miles off Crete.

@Wood sorry I wrote by mistake earlier "Turkish frigate" instead of French.
The Turks targeted a French frigate 3 times,which meant they were ready to attack. The French got pissed off at this.

 

[Whizzack]

The Turkish Ministry of Defense sent a Letter of Request (LoR) to the American government for the acquisition of 40 new F-16C/D Block 70 Viper Fighter Jets as well as the modernization of a total of 80 existing Turkish F-16s to the Viper standard


-- 40 new F-16 block70
-- 80 F-16 modernization to the Viper standard



F-16 Block70

-- APG-83 AESA radar ... ( The APG-83 provides F-16s with 5th Generation fighter radar capabilities )
-- New avionics architecture
-- New mission computer and electronic warfare suite
-- The new Center Pedestal Display (CPD) which provides critical tactical imagery to pilots on a high-resolution 6”x 8” screen
-- Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto GCAS)
-- The Night Vision Imaging System
-- The Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System II
-- SNIPER Advanced Targeting Pod
-- IRST (Infrared Search and Track)
-- Conformal fuel tanks
-- Extended structural service life of 12,000 hours
-- General Electric F110-GE-132 Engine rated at 32,500 lbf (144 kN) of afterburning thrust

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Turkish wants new F-16 Vipers & modernization of existing fighters in a strategic reaction to Greece's moves - ProtoThema English

Will the US sell the Vipers to Turkey & what repercussions will that have on the Greek-American MDCA agreement that is being negotiated

en.protothema.gr

How good are the chances this Turkish request will be granted by the US...? In a scale of 1 to 10, with 1-not granted and 10-granted, would it a be 6 or 7...? or much less...? thoughts..?

 

[Foinikas]

How good are the chances this Turkish request will be granted by the US...? In a scale of 1 to 10, with 1-not granted and 10-granted, would it a be 6 or 7...? or much less...? thoughts..?

One hand the deal is good money. On the other hand,the Americans are angry at Erdogan's erratic behavior. He stubbornly refuses to get rid of the S-400s and stop dealing with Russia. But at the same time,they want to restore relations and Turkey wants to restore relations.
But they also said they will buy a second batch of S-400s.
I guess it's 4-5. But Lockheed Martin wants the money.

 

[Avicenna]

Turkey is a NATO member right?