TURKEY - EGYPT Military Power Comparison

[Oublious]

Is Turkey considering to go for P8 Poseidon??? I'm asking because you being a NATO member have an easy access to these cutting edge ASW planes which are far superior to above two platforms in your navy.....

Why would we need P8? Do we have a ocean around us? We don't need P8 but if we going to do operations over seas like Libya we will need it. But for now I don't see it as a need.

 

[Philosopher]

The number of nations out there with militaries that have actual projecting power capability are extremely low. The US is probably the only notable one. Regardless of whether Turkey or Egypt come victorious on some "on the paper" comparison, this does not mean much. Neither of these nations have the capability to invade the other. However this also means both of them can defend their land from the other.

As for global fire power and its ranking system. They appear to only take numbers into account. For example they would consider country X with 1000 antiquated tanks as being higher in the ranks than Nation Y with 500 state of the art tanks.

 

[The SC]

Egyptian Army has 90 of old Soviet SCUD-B Ballistic missiles

I thought today only user of SCUDS are India and Myanmar....

India today also is the largest SCUD missile operator in the world.... didn't know Egypt too uses it.... actually this was a great missile which had shaken Iran during Iraq Iran war..... still today it's deadly if enemy is lacking advanced air defense system....

Egypt had much more than that it has the tech to produce them locally and much more sophisticated than the first ones..it has helped NK produce them as well..just so you know..

 

[bsruzm]

Turkey can never win a war against Egypt

Says, the greatest military analyst. I know Egyptian personnel, and administration. I wouldn't say "never". Arab world, he said lol

I don't see a conflict between Turkey and Egypt in short term but some Khaleeji will pay bloody badly for hostility against Turkey in mid-long term.

Is Turkey considering to go for P8 Poseidon??? I'm asking because you being a NATO member have an easy access to these cutting edge ASW planes which are far superior to above two platforms in your navy.....

We are doing fine, I think.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1237014534482731009

 

[Ansu fati]

Someone else is laughing in Libya and Eastern Mediterranean right now

Is Turkey considering to go for P8 Poseidon??? I'm asking because you being a NATO member have an easy access to these cutting edge ASW planes which are far superior to above two platforms in your navy.....

Turkey has already chosen italians as partners for ASW navy aircrafts(6 ATR-72)
There will be also ASW Aksungur UCAV version equipped with turkish/american anti-ship missiles

Turkey can never win a war against Egypt that is a given..nor even India my friend..only if it comes to nuclear and then there is biological too..
There will be assistance to Egypt from all the Arab world not only KSA and the UAE..and you are very wrong of your assessment about KSA and the UAE armies..they are actually very potent armies and did not show more than 1% of their capabilities in Yemen.. why then hit Yemen with all force while it is a Muslim country..the aim was to halt Houthie aggression against KSA and not destroy Yemen..
Egypt took Usrael on in 1973 with its massive backing from the US..and won that war.. and you say yourself that Turkey comes after Usrael in fire power.. so where is the logic here!?
Besides that Egypt makes a lot of its own weapons too..some are very potent ..some are just potent enough for any war or conflict..

we will never see war between these two states so we should avoid talking about fictional events because in theory there are countless possibilities/complications that may happen

 

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WAR SCENARIO between Turkey and Egypt


There will be war in the Eastern Mediterranean between Airforces and Navies
so Armies will not take part in conflict



Egypt has no large scale operation capability to fight against Turkey

-- NO any long range Ballistic Missile
-- NO any land attack Cruise Missile
-- NO any Air Refueling Tanker Aircraft
-- NO any Indigenous Missile production capability
-- Egyptian Airforce F-16 , RAFALE and MIG-29M2 dont have network centric warfare capability
-- Egyptian Airforce Fighter Jets without BVR air to air missiles up to 120 km
-- Egyptian Navy doesnt have ASW Aircarft
-- Egyptian Airforce doesnt have strategic UCAV
-- Egyptian Navy has only 5 Frigates




on the other hand Turkey has large scale operation capability to fight against Egypt

-- KHAN/BORA Ballistic Missile program 280-1.000 km
even Turkey can arm dozens of Cargo Ships with hundreds of KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles to attack Egypt's new strategic Naval bases like the Gargoub Naval Base on north western coast and the Eastern Port Said Naval Base ... and to hit Air bases , Jet hangars in Cairo and Alexandria

We like Israeli concept ... Israel fired 400km LORA Ballistic Missile from Cargo Ship

-- Turkish Airforce has 4 Boeing E7T AEWCs , 7 Boeing KC-135 air refueling Tankers and 192 F-16 Block50M/52 Fighter Jets were modified to accept LANTIRN ( Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting InfraRed for Night ) also ASELPOD and SNIPER Targeting Pods , Link-16 System , AN/APG-68(V)9 Radar , Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS) , Night Vision Cueing and Display , AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles and SPEWS-II Self Protection Electronic Warfare Suite

-- 50 SLAM-ER Cruise Missiles ( 280 km )
-- 95 HARM anti radiation Missiles ( 150 km )
-- 100 JSOW glide Bombs ( 130 km )
-- ... KGK guided Bombs ( 110 km )
-- 127 AIM-9X sidewinder air to air Missiles ( 26 km )
-- 138 AIM-120B air to air Missiles ( 75 km )
-- 144 AIM-120C7 air to air Missiles ( 120 km )

and Turkey produce more 415 SOM air launched Cruise Missiles to wipe out Egyptian Air bases , Jet hangars , S300VM Air Defense Systems in Cairo and Alexandria


Only one night and GAME OVER !

 

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AIR TO AIR COMBAT

Egyptian Airforce use American-French and Russian Fighter Jets without network centric warfare capability and without BVR air to air missiles up to 120 km


Turkish Airforce 192 F-16 Block50M/52 Fighter Jets easly can match with Egyptian Airforce 24 RAFALE and 50 MIG-29M2 Fighter Jets in BVR combat

Egyptian F-16s dont have even link16 datalink and AIM-120 BVR air to air missiles



Egyptian RAFALE vs Turkish F-16C

Egyptian RAFALE Fighter Jet armed with 60km MICA air to air missile

Turkish Airforce F-16C Block52 Fighter Jet

-- Link-16 Datalink
-- 120 km AIM-120C7 networked air to air missile
and Boeing E7T AEWC for network centric warfare and cooperative engagement capabilities

and GAME OVER ! .... Turkish Airforce warned Egyptian Airforce in Libya

Turkish Airforce was over Libya 17-20.4.2020
-- 11 F-16Cs armed with 120km AIM-120C7 air to air missiles and Link16 datalink
-- 1 Boeing E7T AEWC
-- 3 Boeing KC-135 Air refueling Tankers

 

[The SC]

Someone else is laughing in Libya and Eastern Mediterranean right now


Turkey has already chosen italians as partners for ASW navy aircrafts(6 ATR-72)
There will be also ASW Aksungur UCAV version equipped with turkish/american anti-ship missiles


we will never see war between these two states so we should avoid talking about fictional events because in theory there are countless possibilities/complications that may happen

Maybe you should be laughing..or crying in Libya there too..
That right too many scenarios are possible..that is for sure..

 

[Amun]

Looks like LC (letter of credit) term payment.... smart play by Egypt..... Typhoon will be a threatening addition to the capability of Egyptian air force.....

yes , but Rafale is a silent killer with it’s SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for RAFALE Aircraft) has been jointly developed by MBDA and Thales to provide an integrated self-protection system for the new Rafale combat aircraft now in service with the French Air Force and Navy.

The SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare suite provides long-range detection, identification and accurate localisation of infrared, electromagnetic and laser threats. The system incorporates, radar warning, laser warning and missile warning receivers for threat detection plus a phased array radar jammer and a decoy dispenser for threat countering.

It also includes a dedicated management unit for data fusion and reaction decision.

With 46 RAFALEs with it’s MICA Missiles with the longest no escape zone (NEZ) between all western BVR Missiles till the integration of Meteor Missile which is included in the Egyptian deal .

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2015/03/14/france-to-modify-rafales-for-egypt/

 

[MMM-E]

S.Arabia sucked in Yemen
and now Egypt and The Uae sucks in Libya .. ( even France , Russian WAGNER , Russian made Air Defense Systems , Chinese made UCAVs and Israel helps HAFTAR ) .... GNA never will fall .. even Turkey doesnt use its military power in Libya

Thanks to great Turkish Defense Industry to kick criminal Arab Dictators in Syria and Libya



btw France sold FREMM Frigate to Egypt without NETTUNO-4100 Electronic Warfare System
and France sold RAFALE Fighter Jet to Egypt without SPECTRA Electronic Warfare System


on the other hand Turkish Aselsan ARES-2 Electronic Warfare System for Naval Platforms
even ADA class Corvette and TCG ANADOLU Amphibious Assault Ship

Turkish Air Force 60 F-16C Block52s equipped with Aselsan SPEWS-II Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite

-- Radar Warning Receiver (RWR)
-- Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) Suite
-- Deceptive RF jamming
-- Intelligent control of chaff/ flare dispenser systems

There is NO defense company in 1.8 billion Islamic World similar to Turkish ASELSAN

 

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Is Turkey considering to go for P8 Poseidon??? I'm asking because you being a NATO member have an easy access to these cutting edge ASW planes which are far superior to above two platforms in your navy.....

In 2016, Turkey indicated that it planned to acquire a new MMA aircraft to supplement existing assets, the P-8A being the main candidate based on the required performance

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2016/05/25/turkish-navy-mulls-buying-long-range-patrol-aircraft/


and in 2017 NATO Allies announced their readiness to work together in developing next generation maritime anti-submarine and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft
( France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Spain and Turkey )

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_145520.htm



6 CN-235 and 6 ATR-72 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircrafts are enough for Turkish Navy to hunt Submarines in the Eastern Mediterranean and Aegean

Egyptian Navy doesnt have even 1 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircraft and Greek Navy has 5 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircrafts ...... ( so Turkish Navy 12 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircrafts )


btw Fabruary 2020 important agreement on military financial cooperation was signed between Turkey and Ukraine on military assistance and supplies of the An-178 Aircraft
https://www.overtdefense.com/2020/02/11/turkey-and-ukraine-strengthen-relations-with-an-178-deal/

Turkey has enough technology to develop its own Anti Submarine Warfare Aircraft based on the An-178 to provide Turkish Navy with intelligence, surveillance , reconnaissance (ISR) and ASW-ASUW mission capabilities

Thanks to Turkish Defense companies Aselsan,Havelsan,Meteksan and Roketsan
-- Mission system
-- Electro-optical sensors
-- Search radar
-- SATCOM
-- Radio communications (HF, VHF, UHF)
-- Tactical Data Link
-- Electronic Support Measures
-- Magnetic Anomaly Detector
-- Integrated self-protection system (Chaff & Flare Dispenser, Radar Warning, Missile Warning, Laser Warning)
-- Sono-buoy launcher
-- ORKA Torpedo
-- ATMACA and SOM-C network enabled anti ship Missiles

 

[vishwambhar]

Egypt took Usrael on in 1973 with its massive backing from the US..and won that war.. and you say yourself that Turkey comes after Usrael in fire power.. so where is the logic here!?
Besides that Egypt makes a lot of its own weapons too..some are very potent ..some are just potent enough for any war or conflict..

Yes 1973 was really a great victory for Egyptians over Israel..... I really admire Egypt for planning and execution during that war....

Why would we need P8? Do we have a ocean around us? We don't need P8 but if we going to do operations over seas like Libya we will need it. But for now I don't see it as a need.

Dear friend.... I got the answer about P8.... but why do you say do we have ocean around??? Mediterranean and black sea don't you consider them as oceans???

 

[Mr Happy]

There is no need to consider nuclear weapons. Britain-RR aero engine. France-Airbus.

Britain and France independently produce aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, aircraft, bombers, carrier aircraft, aero engines, and gas turbines... In addition to the aerospace industry behind the US, Russia, and China.

In fact, in any field, India and SK can not be compared with Britain and France.

UK and France can produce better than most. The leading 2 are USA and Russia, and then China. But have you ever heard of USA and Russia buying military equipment from others? If there is a source, please let me know.

Many thanks.

 

[vishwambhar]

yes , but Rafale is a silent killer with it’s SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for RAFALE Aircraft) has been jointly developed by MBDA and Thales to provide an integrated self-protection system for the new Rafale combat aircraft now in service with the French Air Force and Navy.

The SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare suite provides long-range detection, identification and accurate localisation of infrared, electromagnetic and laser threats. The system incorporates, radar warning, laser warning and missile warning receivers for threat detection plus a phased array radar jammer and a decoy dispenser for threat countering.

It also includes a dedicated management unit for data fusion and reaction decision.

With 46 RAFALEs with it’s MICA Missiles with the longest no escape zone (NEZ) between all western BVR Missiles till the integration of Meteor Missile which is included in the Egyptian deal .

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2015/03/14/france-to-modify-rafales-for-egypt/

Yes both these European delta wings fighter jets are more or less equally deadly..... but going for already procured platform will ease your logistical pressure.... I was wondering why you didn't go for Meteors.... but from your post it's great to see you have Meteors already in your deal....

 

[Ansu fati]

Maybe you should be laughing..or crying in Libya there too..
That right too many scenarios are possible..that is for sure..

What will happen in future of course nobody knows...
that’s why I said right now in the previous post