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You dont understand culture. Rome stand for individuality and free thinking. The oriental world for an ant culture. A concept that exists even today. A roman is free. A persian has to think what the king thinks.
Yea right Rome was advanced civilization with personal freedom even though there were slaves in the empire but the weird think you say christian it is roman religion despise it ruined the roman civilization and made the world fall into darkness
 
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Yea right Rome was advanced civilization with personal freedom even though there were slaves in the empire but the weird think you say christian it is roman religion despise it ruined the roman civilization and made the world fall into darkness


The slaves were not roman citizens. Persia had slaves as well.

That said, Rome was a democracy. Rome had elections. Rome had a senate. Rome had a court and justice system.

In Persia they had a god king and no institutions with any civil rights. While Alexander led an army of real warriors, he fought against an Army of Slaves.

Persia obviously had no women in public life? Where are statues of any high ranking women? Or any statues from non royal people at all?

In Rome you could rise in rank when you had skills. Impossible in Persia.

As for Christianity, it gave the Roman Empire a 2nd boost. The world felt into Darkness 400 years after Christianity was accepted as state religion in the Empire. The problem were internal power fights
 
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The slaves were not roman citizens. Persia had slaves as well.

That said, Rome was a democracy. Rome had elections. Rome had a senate. Rome had a court and justice system.

In Persia they had a god king and no institutions with any civil rights. While Alexander led an army of real warriors, he fought against an Army of Slaves.

Persia obviously had no women in public life? Where are statues of any high ranking women? Or any statues from non royal people at all?

In Rome you could rise in rank when you had skills. Impossible in Persia.

As for Christianity, it gave the Roman Empire a 2nd boost. The world felt into Darkness 400 years after Christianity was accepted as state religion in the Empire. The problem were internal power fights

Markus, I have some advice for you. Why don't you try to not be obnoxious. Your hero Alexander got fucked up in modern day Pakistani city of Multan today, but you don't see us trying to make a big deal out of it. Grow up man.
 
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Markus, I have some advice for you. Why don't you try to not be obnoxious. Your hero Alexander got fucked up in modern day Pakistani city of Multan today, but you don't see us trying to make a big deal out of it. Grow up man.


Why should we make a big deal out of Pakistan? We send you food aid.
 
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The slaves were not roman citizens. Persia had slaves as well.

That said, Rome was a democracy. Rome had elections. Rome had a senate. Rome had a court and justice system.

In Persia they had a god king and no institutions with any civil rights. While Alexander led an army of real warriors, he fought against an Army of Slaves.

Persia obviously had no women in public life? Where are statues of any high ranking women? Or any statues from non royal people at all?

In Rome you could rise in rank when you had skills. Impossible in Persia.

As for Christianity, it gave the Roman Empire a 2nd boost. The world felt into Darkness 400 years after Christianity was accepted as state religion in the Empire. The problem were internal power fights
Nonsense. In both Rome and Greece there were way more slaves. Iran also had courts and even secular laws at the later stage in sassanid era. Also they were more tolerant towards religions ans minorities and Iranians never had savage primitive games like gladiators kill each other or throwing them in front of Lions. We had polo and chess instead.
We had actually women kings. We had women musician like Nakisa: Accounts say that once Nakisa's audience was so moved by her performance that they passed out, or tore their garments (jame-daran).

Why should we make a big deal out of Pakistan? We send you food aid.
By 2050 Pakistan will be one of the biggest economies.
 
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That is so disgusting. Donating money one time after a natural calamity. That is supposed to be out of goodwill, not to score points. It's not like we even asked your nation for anything. But unlike your primative civilization, if a calamity were to hit people of Italy, most Pakistanis would donate purely out of humanity. Disgusting example by you. Honestly, I thought maybe you are getting better, but you prove to represent uncultured society of Europe and Italy.

Nonsense. In both Rome and Greece there were way more slaves. Iran also had courts and even secular laws at the later stage in sassanid era. Also they were more tolerant towards religions ans minorities and Iranians never had savage primitive games like gladiators kill each other or throwing them in front of Lions. We had polo and chess instead.


By 2050 Pakistan will be one of the biggest economies.

Forget economy, the troll has no concept of insaaniyat. So what can you expect from such a person that is ignorant of such concepts?
 
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Nonsense. In both Rome and Greece there were way more slaves. Iran also had courts and even secular laws at the later stage in sassanid era. Also they were more tolerant towards religions ans minorities and Iranians never had savage primitive games like gladiators kill each other or throwing them in front of Lions. We had polo and chess instead.


By 2050 Pakistan will be one of the biggest economies.


Show me a statue of an influential persian women.

Show me the persian court and justice system and some excerpts of laws.

Where and how could persians vote? Where was the persian senate located? I want really learn about that.

The persian king Cyrus himself was an absolute savage who tortured people, let them dig up in sand and eat by ants, so please spare us the myth.

It was predicted in 1978 that Iran by 2000 would have an economy similar to Germany.
 
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We don't have to give up our influence or foreign policy, but internally people reform and progress. There is always room for reform and change, how else could europe change? Power of church and their ideas were wiped out.
Under a perfect world, then yes you won't have to give up your foreign policy/influence. However, reality in the region is different. If Iran wasn't taken over by an Islamic regime/religious clergy who champion the Shia Islamic cause globally, do you think Iran would be able to extend its influence in the Arab world at all? Would Iran be able to have Shia proxy groups/influence (from Hezbollah,Lebanon to Houthis in Yemen to Shia militias in Iraq , Hama's in Gaza, Assad regime in Syria etc etc) in the region like it does today? Would these proxy groups be willing to follow Iran's policies and be used to further Iran's interests in the region?
Answer is PROBABLY NOT. Since ideology/religion(and sometimes even sect) plays a huge role in conflicts/alliances in the middle East. It's precisely for this reason that Turkey for example finds it hard to have proxy groups/militias in the region who can serve and forward their interests in the region.
So if Iran wasn't ruled by a religious regime/clergy then it's foreign and even national policies would be different.

As for your point about the example of Europe separating religion(Church) and state/government, it's true that this was a good step forward for our region. However, each region is different and realities/culture/beliefs/history of countries in the middle East is different. So its not something all of them can just adopt overnight.
 
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In Persia they had a god king and no institutions with any civil rights. While Alexander led an army of real warriors, he fought against an Army of Slaves.

You're watching too many Hollywood movies. The citizens of the Persian Empire were given civil rights, as civil law was present in the areas of the empire at a time when your ancestors were still walking around in bear clothes.

Persia obviously had no women in public life? Where are statues of any high ranking women? Or any statues from non royal people at all?

Says who? For instance, Iranic people have a long history of including women in their ranks. The Scythians, Sarmatians and Massagetes all had female warriors, and even the Persians committed female warriors on the battlefield, including high-ranked commanders such as Artemisia (a Ionian Greek) and Pantea Arteshbod, a Persian female commander of the Immortal Guards of the Achaemenid Empire.

According to Zonaras XII: “…amongst those who fell in the Persian army and were being stripped of their arms there are said to have been found women also, dressed and armed like men, and that such a women were also taken alive by the Romans….“

In Rome you could rise in rank when you had skills. Impossible in Persia.

Says who?

During the Sassanid Persian Empire, Iran was consecutively ruled by two sisters: Pourandokht and Azarmidokht. How many females have ruled the Roman Empire?

You don't know what you're talking about.
 
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You're watching too many Hollywood movies. The citizens of the Persian Empire were given civil rights, as civil law was present in the areas of the empire at a time when your ancestors were still walking around in bear clothes.



Says who? For instance, Iranic people have a long history of including women in their ranks. The Scythians, Sarmatians and Massagetes all had female warriors, and even the Persians committed female warriors on the battlefield, including high-ranked commanders such as Artemisia (a Ionian Greek) and Pantea Arteshbod, a Persian female commander of the Immortal Guards of the Achaemenid Empire.

According to Zonaras XII: “…amongst those who fell in the Persian army and were being stripped of their arms there are said to have been found women also, dressed and armed like men, and that such a women were also taken alive by the Romans….“



Says who?

During the Sassanid Persian Empire, Iran was consecutively ruled by two sisters: Pourandokht and Azarmidokht. How many females have ruled the Roman Empire?

You don't know what you're talking about.


Tell me, when did my ancestors walk around in "bear clothes"? I just want to know what exactly you mean?

This is Etruscan style, 400 years before the persian empire was formed by Cyrus:

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This is from 800 before christ. 300 years before the persian empire formed

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You claim that i dont know much about Persia. Maybe. But your knowledge about Rome seems rather climsy as well.

We had many great women in Rome.

Hortensia for example. Was one of the greatest.

Or Octavia

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Show me a statue of an influential persian women.

Show me the persian court and justice system and some excerpts of laws.

Where and how could persians vote? Where was the persian senate located? I want really learn about that.

The persian king Cyrus himself was an absolute savage who tortured people, let them dig up in sand and eat by ants, so please spare us the myth.

It was predicted in 1978 that Iran by 2000 would have an economy similar to Germany.
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In general, mass slavery as a whole has never been practiced by Persians, and in many cases the situation and lives of semi-slaves (prisoners of war) were, in fact, better than those of the commoner.
On the whole, in the Achaemenid empire, there was only small number of slaves in relation to the number of free persons and moreover the word used to call a slave was utilized also to express general dependence. Usually, captives were prisoners of war that were recruited from those that rebelled against Achaemenid rule.

About Cyrus:
British historian Charles Freeman suggests that "In scope and extent his achievements [Cyrus] ranked far above that of the Macedonian king, Alexander, who was to demolish the [Achaemenid] empire in the 320s but fail to provide any stable alternative." Cyrus has been a personal hero to many people, including Thomas Jefferson, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and David Ben-Gurion.

According to Xenophon: And those who were subject to him, he treated with esteem and regard, as if they were his own children, while his subjects themselves respected Cyrus as their "Father" ... What other man but 'Cyrus', after having overturned an empire, ever died with the title of "The Father" from the people whom he had brought under his power? For it is plain fact that this is a name for one that bestows, rather than for one that takes away!

The policies of Cyrus with respect to treatment of minority religions are well documented in Babylonian texts as well as Jewish sources and the historians accounts. Cyrus had a general policy of religious tolerance throughout his vast empire. Whether this was a new policy or the continuation of policies followed by the Babylonians and Assyrians (as Lester Grabbe maintains) is disputed. He brought peace to the Babylonians and is said to have kept his army away from the temples and restored the statues of the Babylonian gods to their sanctuaries.

Although ruled by kings, we had knowledge of the concept of democracy:
Diodorus mentions that after the Assyrians had ruled Asia for five hundred years "they were conquered by the Medes, and thereafter no king arose for many generations to lay claim to supreme power, but the city-states, enjoying a regimen of their own, were administered in a democratic fashion"

Herodotus puts great emphasis on the fact that the proposals put forward included the idea of establishing "democracy" in Persia. Herodotus in Histories gives an account on a debate over the constitution of Iran (Persia) in 522 BC, where Otanes argued in favor of democracy, the principle of equality before the law, and the accountable government. He advocates a complete democracy, on the grounds that under a democratic system "offices of state are exercised by lot".

In that session, Otanes also talked about the disadvantages of monarchy. He notes that democratic rule does not share any of the malice of a tyranny. Otanes was one of the seven members who overthrew Gaumata.

He recommended that the management of public affairs should be entrusted to the whole nation. He said, "it seems advisable, that we should no longer have a single man to rule over us. the rule of one is neither good nor pleasant... How indeed is it possible that monarchy should be a well-adjusted thing, when it allows a man to do as he likes without being answerable?... I vote, therefore, that we do away with monarchy, and raise the people to power. For the people are all in all."

Otanes seems to find democracy inherently more equitable: "the rule of many has first a name attaching to it which is the fairest of all names, that is to say 'Equality.'"popular government ensures moderate rule, he suggests.

The book "The Archaic Smile of Herodotus" notes that "in arguing that democracy will be good for Persia, Otanes contradicts himself, for he proposes to change the traditional form of government. This violation of ancient custom is just the practice of which he accuses tyrants." However Otanes was advocating a return to the equality and democracy that was customary in ancient Persia. So violation of these customs was what he was accusing tyrants about. Perhaps Otanes considered democracy reflecting Persia's tribal roots.

Even though Otanes has not used the term demokratia in his speech, but his emphasis on equality under the law, elections by lot, and collective decisions makes it clear that he represents the democratic viewpoint. Some scholars have gone further by considering that not only Otanes was in fact advocating the democracy, but also "a pretty radical form of it".

Some scholars have tended to equate Otanes' arguments with those of the author himself (Herodotus). Others have titled Otanes as "the champion of democracy".

According to Arirstotle the three parts of a politeia are the deliberative, the magistracies, and the judiciary. This tripartite structure of the politeia was a traditional idea; Aristotle only elaborated upon it. The threefold division is already evident in Otanes' defence of democracy, where he defends democracy for its virtues in all three areas.

From the viewpoint of the methodological approach, Otanes provided a "practical example" of Cambyses, that how he acted as a monarch in power. The moral force of Otanes' argument derives from his conviction that monarchy and oligarchy have proven untrustworthy, insofar as natural vanity is bount to corrupt even good individuals if left unchecked.

In addition to book 3, later in book 6 Herodotus once again insists that the account of the debate is historical, and he vents his spleen at those who deny that Otanes advised the Persians to demokrateesthai.

At the time of Parthians, kings were elected through the Parthian parliament, Megisthanes. The parliament was of two parts: one of the wise men and magi from across the country, and the second the relatives of the royal family. In this way the king could be the representative of the whole nation.
Megisthanes was the first parliament of Iran. It can be concluded that the Parthian parliament was the result of the achievements of past civilizations specially the Achaemenids (who had their own councils) and Greeks. Justin (41.2.2), has called this parliament as senate.
Tacitus states that the parliament was composed of 300 of the rich and wise men, which was forming a council like that of the senate. People are in charge of their legitimate power. Until the parliament and people have consensus, they are not afraid of the Parthian kings, but as soon as there appears a disagreement between them, each one of them (people, and the parliament) chose a party for themselves until their party succeeds.

The two parts separately and together, were forming three different councils. The third one being the result of assembling of the members of two other councils in cases of emergency, where this council (of the two other councils) was called as Megisthanes. Strabo writes that "the Council of the Parthians, according to Poseidonius, consists of two groups, one that of kinsmen, and the other that of wise men and Magi, from both of which groups the kings were appointed." The number of wise men in the parliament was more than that of the magis

In 1979 some demon took over our country and we had 8 years wars after that, else we be one of the richest countries by now. Anyways, some started to troll here, I don't want to waste my time on them.
 
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he was a conqueror but he never was a ruler .

i don't know much about alexander but he even attacked multan which is now a city in pakistan and i must say that he was very brave.entire world acknowledges his bravery.he was badly injured during the battle of multan but he recovered.he was a great commander.i don't know about the politics and how he ruled the conquered regions but he was the best!

Alexander was a fag........



U also do realize that most people in Europe consider Italian and Greek as European camel jockey? aka A-raanbs?

i must say that he was a great commander.his strategy to attack and cut enemy lines was impressive.he was fantastic leader.warriors are born and some represents various religions.we must respect commanders and appreciate their victories in the battles.alexander was undefeated in all 20 battles.can you imagine a commander who have this kind of record? it is a fantastic record.he was the best.
 
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You dont understand culture. Rome stand for individuality and free thinking. The oriental world for an ant culture. A concept that exists even today. A roman is free. A persian has to think what the king thinks.


Free thinking? Your supposed ancestors tossed early Christians into arenas because they refused to acknowledge the roman pantheon.

This is so sick and savage when you think about it. Its no different from DAESH/ISIS's entertainment killings that occur today.
 
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