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The Islamists need to flock to Saudi Arabia or Somalia if they want to put loyalty towards Pakistan down their "priority list". The HT members are delusional with their ambitions of "restoring the caliphate", & they need to start putting Pakistan before the "Muslim Ummah" (aka breeding grounds for the Taliban). The Taliban are keen on implementing & enforcing their distorted version of Islamic Shariah onto the people, against the wishes of the people. There are certain non-violent secular Pakistanis as well that do not want to defend this nation (critical viewpoints are allowed & encouraged, but protecting the interests of Pakistan should be the number one priority). Both extremes need to prioritize their loyalties towards Pakistan, but my thread is primarily aimed at the religiously intolerant group that resorts to violent extremism, in an effort to restore a distorted version of Islamism, that works against the interests of Pakistan. As a Muslim, I believe that it is my primary responsibility to defend my country, & I shall do it from everyone acting against it, whether that is religious extremists or the secularists.
 
We need to stop cooperation with USA that should be our top foreign policy , and second should be defence packs with friendly nations
1= tel US to mind there own business
2= mutual defense pact with china
3= mutual defense pact with iran
4= mutual defense pact with turkey
5= get out of WOT
6= talk to those who are pakistani and crush the rest of terrorist
7= take the PA out of civilian areas
8= make it compulsory for every 18 to 21 year old to serve in armed forces for 3 years
9= declare a first use of nukes policy
10= push for a regional block for china pakistan iran and turkey
11= make direct road and rail links between beijing islamabad tehran and istambul
12= abolish the visa restrictions between the four countries
13= ablish the trade based in dollars and change it to yuan or gold or commodity exchange
 
1= tel US to mind there own business
2= mutual defense pact with china
3= mutual defense pact with iran
4= mutual defense pact with turkey
5= get out of WOT
6= talk to those who are pakistani and crush the rest of terrorist
7= take the PA out of civilian areas
8= make it compulsory for every 18 to 21 year old to serve in armed forces for 3 years
9= declare a first use of nukes policy
10= push for a regional block for china pakistan iran and turkey
11= make direct road and rail links between beijing islamabad tehran and istambul
12= abolish the visa restrictions between the four countries
13= ablish the trade based in dollars and change it to yuan or gold or commodity exchange

China aside, why would Turkey (NATO) and Iran do a Mutual Defence pact with Pakistan??? What does Pakistan bring to the table?? except Nukes, but then will Pakistan be ready to take a nuclear retaliatory strike for a 3rd nation.. ??

Also, with Pakistan's main focus being India, there is no reason why Iran and Turkey, and to some extent even China will get into an explicit anti India Block
 
1= tel US to mind there own business
2= mutual defense pact with china
3= mutual defense pact with iran
4= mutual defense pact with turkey
5= get out of WOT
6= talk to those who are pakistani and crush the rest of terrorist
7= take the PA out of civilian areas
8= make it compulsory for every 18 to 21 year old to serve in armed forces for 3 years
9= declare a first use of nukes policy
10= push for a regional block for china pakistan iran and turkey
11= make direct road and rail links between beijing islamabad tehran and istambul
12= abolish the visa restrictions between the four countries
13= ablish the trade based in dollars and change it to yuan or gold or commodity exchange
lol..........:rofl:
 
China aside, why would Turkey (NATO) and Iran do a Mutual Defence pact with Pakistan??? What does Pakistan bring to the table?? except Nukes, but then will Pakistan be ready to take a nuclear retaliatory strike for a 3rd nation.. ??

Also, with Pakistan's main focus being India, there is no reason why Iran and Turkey, and to some extent even China will get into an explicit anti India Block

Iran-Turkey-Pakistan railway to begin | Iranian.com
Iran-Turkey-Pakistan railway to begin

ANKARA: President Asif Ali Zardari said Pakistan and Turkey enjoy special relations and a unique friendship, which has no parallel and is unmatched.
Speaking at a banquet hosted in his honour by Turkish President Abdullah Gul here on Wednesday, President Asif Ali Zardari said: “Ours is a special bond, which has no parallel. It is a unique friendship which is unmatched. Physically we may live thousands of miles apart but our hearts beat together,” President Zardari said.

The President said the colours of Pakistan and Turkish flags may be different, but the symbols of the crescent and the star are the same.

“From Ankara to Islamabad, from Konya to Multan and from Kayseri to Larkana, we are connected with a common bond of love and brotherhood. Indeed we are One Nation living in Two States”, he remarked.

The President said the people of Pakistan and Turkey have stood shoulder to shoulder since their birth, adding: “We rejoice on our achievements and we feel the pain when the other suffers.”

“Today, we remain united for a better tomorrow”, he added.

The President termed his detailed discussions with President Gul as “useful” and said: “We have agreed to give a strategic direction to our economic relations.”

The President said Turkey has been a cradle of civilisation, learning and innovative thinking, adding, throughout history, it has been a seat of great empires and today, it stands tall in the comity of nations.”

He congratulated President Gul and Prime Minister Erdogan for their bold leadership to make Turkey a shining example for others.

“We in Pakistan admire you and are proud of your achievements,” he added.

The President referred to and termed the events of the past few weeks in North Africa, Middle East and the Gulf as “a cause of great concern” and said: “They call for our close attention.”

“We have come at a crossroads of history. We are witnessing a profound change in the heartland of the Muslim world,” he said and recalled that his wife Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir had once said: “Countries descend into darkness when pluralism is disrupted, when diversity is suppressed and when one man directs the destiny of millions.”

The President said, “The time has come for reflection and introspection. The well-being of our people should be our foremost priority. The future of our people should be shaped by their will and aspirations.”

He congratulated Turkey for taking a leadership and a principled role in these challenging times.

The President said like Turkey, Pakistan wants stability and peace in the region. “Peace and stability that is based on respect for the unity, territorial integrity and sovereignty of these states.”

He said in Pakistan, the government is mindful of its responsibilities to the people and the nation.

“Today we are confronted with multiple challenges. These are challenges of terrorism, extremism, flood disaster and energy shortages, but the democratically elected government is determined to turn these challenges into opportunities.î

The President said the government of Pakistan desires peace, stability and prosperity in our region. “We have opened a new chapter of positive engagement with Afghanistan. It is an engagement that is based on mutual trust and confidence,” he added.

“We have also embarked on a purposeful dialogue with India. We want to have a dialogue that is aimed at resolving all our outstanding issues,” he mentioned.

The President also thanked President Gul for honouring him with the prestigious “Devlet Nishan” and said: “It is an honour and a symbol of exemplary ties between Pakistan and Turkey.”

“Turkey has a very special place in my heart. I have been coming here for many years now. I have fond memories of my earlier visits,” the President said and especially recalled his visits with his late wife Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto.

“Each time I come to Turkey, I am reminded of the special nature of our relations,” he added.

In response to a question at a joint press conference, President Abdullah Gul and President Asif Ali Zardari made the pledges to support for initiatives to stabilise conflict-torn Afghanistan, including efforts for dialogue with the Taliban. They said: ì2011 is a very critical year for Afghanistan, as the foreign troops will begin to withdraw. We are using all our capabilities to secure Afghanistan’s unity and integrity.”

“We are doing this in cooperation with Afghan President (Hamid) Karzai and all Afghan authorities... We will be part of any activity (aimed at) making further contributions to secure durable peace,” he said.

Gul would not comment directly on the possible opening of a Taliban office in Turkey.

Zardari said: ìPakistan believes in a peaceful transition and dialogue in Afghanistan. We will be facilitators to any format that leads to peace... Whatever needs to be done, Pakistan will be playing a positive role and hoping to facilitate the transition and dialogue.”

Earlier in their meeting President Asif Ali Zardari and Turkish President Abdullah Gul resolved to continue working hand in hand to exploit the vast potential in industrial, energy, communication and infrastructure sectors of their countries to create vibrantly growing economies.

In the joint press conference after the meeting the two leaders and delegation level talks here at Presidential Palace, President Zardari said his visit would add a new chapter of cooperation and engagement between the two countries.

The two leaders held detailed discussions on bilateral matters and regional and international issues of mutual interest.

President Zardari was assisted in the talks by Defence Minister Ahmad Mukhtar, Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Bilour, State Minister for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani Khar and Chairman Board of Investment Saleem Mandviwala.

The two leaders said the talks focused on making operational Islamabad-Istanbul-Tehran freight train. President Gul said the project would provide a trade route from Islamabad to European countries with goods taking about 11 days to reach Turkish markets.

He said the railway track already existed but it needed to be upgraded and both the countries agreed to encourage private sectors to generate funds for the project.

President Zardari said that Pakistan attached great importance to its relations with Turkey, which was the only Islamic country of the NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) alliance and was also a member of the G-20, the economic grouping of the 20 biggest economies of the world.

During the talks the two leaders discussed prospects of various projects relating to infrastructure development, banking, investment, energy and trade

and talked about ways to increase frequency of cultural and parliamentary exchanges, travel and tourism and people-to-people contacts.

President Zardari apprised President Gul of his government’s efforts to rid Pakistan of the threat of terrorism and address the root causes of poverty and social deprivation, which create conditions for extremism.

President Zardari informed his Turkish counterpart of the policies that make Pakistan an attractive place for investment for the Turkish companies, which are already active in the country on numerous important projects.

Pakistan has a policy of establishing Special Economic Zones where investors will get incentives and it also allows remitting of capital and profits gained by foreign investors to their home countries, he said.

Agreeing that Turkish construction, engineering and energy companies have the financial strength and capacity to undertake mega projects, the leaders resolved that their governments would extend all support to the private sector in these sectors.

The two Presidents expressed confidence that their mutual efforts would help them in meeting the target of raising their bilateral trade volume to $2 billion by 2012.
this is enough or you want something else
 
1= tel US to mind there own business
2= mutual defense pact with china
3= mutual defense pact with iran
4= mutual defense pact with turkey
5= get out of WOT
6= talk to those who are pakistani and crush the rest of terrorist
7= take the PA out of civilian areas
8= make it compulsory for every 18 to 21 year old to serve in armed forces for 3 years
9= declare a first use of nukes policy
10= push for a regional block for china pakistan iran and turkey
11= make direct road and rail links between beijing islamabad tehran and istambul
12= abolish the visa restrictions between the four countries
13= ablish the trade based in dollars and change it to yuan or gold or commodity exchange

interesting strategic thinking, I must say... and put in a very well manner,
 
Pakistan - Iran - Turkey - China - Bangladesh
If Saudi Arbia Joins even better - With Russia as also a potential partner

- Should be one economic Zone -

Connected with Train , and Open Trade and defence Pacts

Like no point to lick US , .... we need to stand up , go back to our 60's mandate , our own agendas and policies
to strengthen our own defences

We can't depend on Terrorist from USA to come save us from another terrorist (so called organization)

both of these ppl need to go - and shut the door on their sorry arses as they are leaving the country to don't show up for good 20-30 years

The hijaz railway system should connect all nations to China which was destroyed in first world war by the Evil British Nazis


Railways destroyed by Terrorist British
 
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And how is this relevant to what I said?? Mutual defense pacts are very different from economic cooperation. On that front the 2012 target of Indo Turkish trade is 2.5 times that of Pakistan (as mentioned in your article)...

i know indians love money but i think u didnt read these

The President said the colours of Pakistan and Turkish flags may be different, but the symbols of the crescent and the star are the same.

“From Ankara to Islamabad, from Konya to Multan and from Kayseri to Larkana, we are connected with a common bond of love and brotherhood. Indeed we are One Nation living in Two States”, he remarked.

The President said the people of Pakistan and Turkey have stood shoulder to shoulder since their birth, adding: “We rejoice on our achievements and we feel the pain when the other suffers.”

“Today, we remain united for a better tomorrow”, he added.

The President termed his detailed discussions with President Gul as “useful” and said: “We have agreed to give a strategic direction to our economic relations.”

The President said Turkey has been a cradle of civilisation, learning and innovative thinking, adding, throughout history, it has been a seat of great empires and today, it stands tall in the comity of nations.”

He congratulated President Gul and Prime Minister Erdogan for their bold leadership to make Turkey a shining example for others.

“We in Pakistan admire you and are proud of your achievements,” he added.

The President referred to and termed the events of the past few weeks in North Africa, Middle East and the Gulf as “a cause of great concern” and said: “They call for our close attention.”

“We have come at a crossroads of history. We are witnessing a profound change in the heartland of the Muslim world,” he said and recalled that his wife Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir had once said: “Countries descend into darkness when pluralism is disrupted, when diversity is suppressed and when one man directs the destiny of millions.”

The President said, “The time has come for reflection and introspection. The well-being of our people should be our foremost priority. The future of our people should be shaped by their will and aspirations.”

He congratulated Turkey for taking a leadership and a principled role in these challenging times.

The President said like Turkey, Pakistan wants stability and peace in the region. “Peace and stability that is based on respect for the unity, territorial integrity and sovereignty of these states.”

He said in Pakistan, the government is mindful of its responsibilities to the people and the nation.

“Today we are confronted with multiple challenges. These are challenges of terrorism, extremism, flood disaster and energy shortages, but the democratically elected government is determined to turn these challenges into opportunities.î

The President said the government of Pakistan desires peace, stability and prosperity in our region. “We have opened a new chapter of positive engagement with Afghanistan. It is an engagement that is based on mutual trust and confidence,” he added.

“We have also embarked on a purposeful dialogue with India. We want to have a dialogue that is aimed at resolving all our outstanding issues,” he mentioned.

The President also thanked President Gul for honouring him with the prestigious “Devlet Nishan” and said: “It is an honour and a symbol of exemplary ties between Pakistan and Turkey.”

“Turkey has a very special place in my heart. I have been coming here for many years now. I have fond memories of my earlier visits,” the President said and especially recalled his visits with his late wife Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto.

“Each time I come to Turkey, I am reminded of the special nature of our relations,” he added.

In response to a question at a joint press conference, President Abdullah Gul and President Asif Ali Zardari made the pledges to support for initiatives to stabilise conflict-torn Afghanistan, including efforts for dialogue with the Taliban. They said: ì2011 is a very critical year for Afghanistan, as the foreign troops will begin to withdraw. We are using all our capabilities to secure Afghanistan’s unity and integrity.”
 
^^^^
"Peace" meaning giving in and accepting terrorists as your new lords, a la Swat.

It is America that has negotiated (& is further negotiating) peace deals with terrorists in Afghanistan.
 
It is America that has negotiated (& is further negotiating) peace deals with terrorists in Afghanistan.
I think the U.S. is trying something new, trying to get the terror groups out from under the thumb of the ISI's tutelage. Like in Iraq where the U.S. did manage to pry most Sunni militants away from the embrace of Al-Qaeda.
 
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