The real gap between China and India

[ashok321]

Lethargic & unruly Indians have no class against disciplined & clever Chinese.
Visit Shanghai & Mumbai to find the stark difference.

Compare the culture of these 2 countries by understanding their proverbs.
While the Chinese proverbs are thought provoking and sharp, Indian proverbs seem to be dull and run-of-the-mill types.

Chinese FOREX 10 times that of India.
Exports 12 times that of India.

India's top export item = White petroleum products/lubricants etc.
China's top export item = Electrical machinery (worth more than double the entire Indian exports)

While India imports 68% of its arms by spending its foreign exchange, China has almost stopped all its arms import and produces everything at home.

The list may go on & on....
I do not know why these audacious, foolhardy, Modian motor-mouths & windbags are defending India against China, and on what grounds.

This is shameful act.
Or may be the situation is following for them:

 

[bhimram]

Lethargic & unruly Indians have no class against disciplined & clever Chinese.
Visit Shanghai & Mumbai to find the stark difference.

Compare the culture of these 2 countries by understanding their proverbs.
While the Chinese proverbs are thought provoking and sharp, Indian proverbs seem to be dull and run-of-the-mill types.

Chinese FOREX 10 times that of India.
Exports 12 times that of India.

India's top export item = White petroleum products/lubricants etc.
China's top export item = Electrical machinery (worth more than double the entire Indian exports)

While India imports 68% of its arms by spending its foreign exchange, China has almost stopped all its arms import and produces everything at home.

The list may go on & on....
I do not know why these audacious, foolhardy, Modian motor-mouths & windbags are defending India against China, and on what grounds.

This is shameful act.
Or may be the situation is following for them:

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Ahh, the fake Indian strikes again for his masters

Proof is in the pudding Faker.
My Indian soldiers are sitting pretty in Bhutan & your masters have run away with tail between their legs.

You can fantasize about your masters being all powerful but the fact still remains that they have run away. I know it gnaws at you.
First step of accepting defeat is acknowledging the defeat. Your masters were soundly defeated. Acknowledge it and move on

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Ahh, the fake Indian strikes again for his masters

Proof is in the pudding Faker.
My Indian soldiers are sitting pretty in Bhutan & your masters have run away with tail between their legs.

You can fantasize about your masters being all powerful but the fact still remains that they have run away. I know it gnaws at you.
First step of accepting defeat is acknowledging the defeat. Your masters were soundly defeated. Acknowledge it and move on

You can't think so. Pakistan kills your soldiers and destroys your bunkers. How embarrassing is India? If China wants war. There is no hope of victory in India. But China is a mature country. Unlike India, there are border clashes everywhere. Finally, are you anxious to accept a more disastrous defeat than in 1962?

 

[dray]

After Mr. Modi became Prime Minister of India, it seems that India has been invincible. Claiming to be "superpower", emphasizing the "surgical strike", claiming to "2.5 line war". Mr. Modi gave India too much confidence, as if India had succeeded, but..... Really?

Now that Indians have declared the "2.5 line war". The goals are clear: China and Pakistan. So, as a Chinese, please allow me to compare the strength of China and India.

National Defense Industry: it is clear that China and India are not at the same level.

In simple terms, when Chinese J-6 and type 59 tanks were at the Uganda-Tanzania war. India LCA and Arjun tank does not even exist. when China's J-7 and type 69 tank were at the Iran-Iraq war. India LCA and Arjun tank is just a paper. Still not simple enough? OK, a direct contrast....

India' LCA VS China' Q5, J-6, J-7, J-8, J-10, J-10B, J-10C, J-11, J-11B, J-15, J-16, J-20, J-31, JH-7, K-8, L-15, Y-5, Y-6, Y-7, Y-8, Y-20, H-6，H-6K, KJ-2000, KJ-500, Gaoxin 6, AG-600, C919....Some small production planes or transition models are not on the list. Oh, So sorry, I almost forgot, and JF-17.

As for the Navy and army equipment, I hope to wait until India solves the weapons inventory problem. Then we'll talk about it.

Space technology: because India is a superpower, India's space technology is very advanced. Recently, India sent 104 satellites into space. Oh, our lovely India friends have begun to laugh at China.

But unfortunately, despite the India is a superpower and has advanced space technology, I can not ignore these facts...

1, India is the only country in the world that does not have an independent satellite navigation system.

2, India is the only country in the world without manned space technology (not to blame India, because there are only three countries in the world with manned space technology, Russia, USA, China)

3, India is the only country in the world with no space docking technology.

4, India is the only country in the world without the moon landing technology.

This is the space technology that India is proud of... Just send 104 satellites into space in the same orbit (load only 3 tons)

Since many Indians used the Internet for the first time, they probably never knew the world before they had their first computer, so Indians believed they were superpowers.

The world's largest arms importer is challenging the world's TOP 3 arms exporters ？ Indians, are you ready for your weapon inventory?

Kya samajh karr yeh nonsense post kiye the...ke sardar baht khush hogi...Sabashi degi...???

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Kya samajh karr yeh nonsense post kiye the...ke sardar baht khush hogi...Sabashi degi...???

OK, I know you're embarrassed.

 

[bhimram]

You can't think so. Pakistan kills your soldiers and destroys your bunkers. How embarrassing is India? If China wants war. There is no hope of victory in India. But China is a mature country. Unlike India, there are border clashes everywhere. Finally, are you anxious to accept a more disastrous defeat than in 1962?

Then why the daily threats if you don't want war?
Am I missing something here or you lot are seriously disconnected with the reality of getting whipped by Indians in Bhutan?

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Then why the daily threats if you don't want war?
Am I missing something here or you lot are seriously disconnected with the reality of getting whipped by Indians in Bhutan?

Simply speaking. India is good at provocation, but not good at war. China maintains restraint. But I'm not sure how long it will last. China has been carrying out military exercises on the border for a long time recently. It includes tanks, helicopters, artillery, and some information equipment...The preparations for the war have been completed, and I believe that India is too. So please don't say we sneak attack India.

indians...Believe me, there's no mercy this time.

 

[bhimram]

Simply speaking. India is good at provocation, but not good at war. China maintains restraint

Dude, your country is issuing a threat an hour.
In any logical sense that's not called restraint.

I am done with this dumb argument.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Dude, your country is issuing a threat an hour.
In any logical sense that's not called restraint.

I am done with this dumb argument.

Indians are war fanatics. But it seems that Pakistan has taught you. If you want us to join the war. India... All dreams are broken. You should thank China for its just threats.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Indians are war fanatics. But it seems that Pakistan has taught you. If you want us to join the war. India... All dreams are broken. You should thank China for its just threats.

1. We Spilt and "Broke" Pakistan in two Parts. Period. It Repeated in 1999 when Your Freind was Humilated in kargil. They have been REPLACED and theyr FOREGIGN POLICY has shattered , aS MODI HAS BUILT strong ties WITH KSA , Iran , USAE and Israel - SIMULTANEOUSLY !

2. In 67 and 87 China was taught a nice lesson by India. So its not a matter of what India is capable of. It has been demonstrated ALREADY. It NOT India issuing Threats DAILY. If Chinese could do something They could have already.

3. A Small country like Vietnam Humiliated China. That speaks volumes of What the the real "power" of china is.

4. We have still not used our Cards , like Supplying Weapons to Vietnam , Like China did for Pakistan. This includes giving Nukes and Missiles. Think over it, It would be a nightmare for china !

5. You are ALREADY being screwed by USA over North Korea, While having Military Disputes with EVERY neighbour ( Japan , Vietnam , ASEAN... ) and have created ARTIFICIAL issues in SCS , The World ALREADY knows your motives and the pattern of moves !

 

[SBUS-CXK]

1. We Spilt and "Broke" Pakistan in two Parts. Period. It Repeated in 1999 when Your Freind was Humilated in kargil. They have been REPLACED and theyr FOREGIGN POLICY has shattered , aS MODI HAS BUILT strong ties WITH KSA , Iran , USAE and Israel - SIMULTANEOUSLY !

2. In 67 and 87 China was taught a nice lesson by India. So its not a matter of what India is capable of. It has been demonstrated ALREADY. It NOT India issuing Threats DAILY. If Chinese could do something They could have already.

3. A Small country like Vietnam Humiliated China. That speaks volumes of What the the real "power" of china is.

4. We have still not used our Cards , like Supplying Weapons to Vietnam , Like China did for Pakistan. This includes giving Nukes and Missiles. Think over it, It would be a nightmare for china !

5. You are ALREADY being screwed by USA over North Korea, While having Military Disputes with EVERY neighbour ( Japan , Vietnam , ASEAN... ) and have created ARTIFICIAL issues in SCS , The World ALREADY knows your motives and the pattern of moves !

Oh, what a poor India propaganda...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-to-open-a-drone-factory-in-saudi-arabia.498171/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/israel-defense-forces-to-issue-troops-with-chinese-drones.502065/

Don't lie to 1967. Mao Zedong values territory more than anything else. Think about this logic... Did India defeat a nuclear weapon state in 1967?

In fact, as long as India has the courage to shoot, we can get India to raise a white flag and collect bodies. 1987 not surprising...

In the 1999 kargil war. India crashed 4 planes in three days. India needs arms imports from all over the world. And the death toll of soldiers in India is much higher than that in Pakistan.

As for the Korean war. This is a you don't understand the war. China VS 17 countries. And China's occupation of Seoul. Macarthur quit. Americans end up on the negotiating table. Go to Google it.

In view of the literacy rate in India... Talking about history, all Indians need to go back to school.

Can you provide weapons to Vietnam? Oh, yes, the weapons of the Brown movement. But so sorry, we've been supplying weapons to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri lanka... Indians, your amazing confidence moves me.

Besides, lying is in your genes and culture, really?

1. We Spilt and "Broke" Pakistan in two Parts. Period. It Repeated in 1999 when Your Freind was Humilated in kargil. They have been REPLACED and theyr FOREGIGN POLICY has shattered , aS MODI HAS BUILT strong ties WITH KSA , Iran , USAE and Israel - SIMULTANEOUSLY !

2. In 67 and 87 China was taught a nice lesson by India. So its not a matter of what India is capable of. It has been demonstrated ALREADY. It NOT India issuing Threats DAILY. If Chinese could do something They could have already.

3. A Small country like Vietnam Humiliated China. That speaks volumes of What the the real "power" of china is.

4. We have still not used our Cards , like Supplying Weapons to Vietnam , Like China did for Pakistan. This includes giving Nukes and Missiles. Think over it, It would be a nightmare for china !

5. You are ALREADY being screwed by USA over North Korea, While having Military Disputes with EVERY neighbour ( Japan , Vietnam , ASEAN... ) and have created ARTIFICIAL issues in SCS , The World ALREADY knows your motives and the pattern of moves !

Honey, how do you think India weapons are great? I mean... Even if Mig, SU-30, C-130, these top weapons in India, but also because of lack of maintenance and crash... But where do your miraculous self-confidence come from?

You believe that as long as India sells weapons, someone will choose to buy it？

 

[Chanakyaa]

Oh, what a poor India propaganda...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-to-open-a-drone-factory-in-saudi-arabia.498171/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/israel-defense-forces-to-issue-troops-with-chinese-drones.502065/

Don't lie to 1967. Mao Zedong values territory more than anything else. Think about this logic... Did India defeat a nuclear weapon state in 1967?

In fact, as long as India has the courage to shoot, we can get India to raise a white flag and collect bodies. 1987 not surprising...

In the 1999 kargil war. India crashed 4 planes in three days. India needs arms imports from all over the world. And the death toll of soldiers in India is much higher than that in Pakistan.

As for the Korean war. This is a you don't understand the war. China VS 17 countries. And China's occupation of Seoul. Macarthur quit. Americans end up on the negotiating table. Go to Google it.

In view of the literacy rate in India... Talking about history, all Indians need to go back to school.

Can you provide weapons to Vietnam? Oh, yes, the weapons of the Brown movement. But so sorry, we've been supplying weapons to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri lanka... Indians, your amazing confidence moves me.

Besides, lying is in your genes and culture, really?


Honey, how do you think India weapons are great? I mean... Even if Mig, SU-30, C-130, these top weapons in India, but also because of lack of maintenance and crash... But where do your miraculous self-confidence come from?

You believe that as long as India sells weapons, someone will choose to buy it？

Blah.... Blahh... Blahh...
You Guys talk abt Propaganda ? Talk when you can Google.... and Freely discuss about Your failed Rockets First !!

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Blah.... Blahh... Blahh...
You Guys talk abt Propaganda ? Talk when you can Google.... and Freely discuss about Your failed Rockets First !!

Oh, baby, learn to manned space before then.

Remember! All of India's technology is just launching satellites! Poor load.. Indians can never understand the word "heavy rocket".

 

[SBUS-CXK]

A 'Crash Landing': The Slow and Painful Death of India's Air Force

The Obama Administration is gearing up to sell eight new Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon jets to Pakistan, the New York Times reports. Those jets will add to Pakistan’s fleet of seventy-six existing “Vipers” as the type is colloquially known. Meanwhile, its arch-nemesis India’s air force shrinks by the day as planes age out and squadron are disbanded.

Assuming Pakistan completes the sale, the eight F-16s would help boost that country’s fleet of eighteen existing advanced Block 52+ Vipers. The rest of the Pakistani F-16 fleet consists of modified A-model jets that have been upgraded to Block 15 MLU standard, which bring those aircraft nearly up to the same capability as the newest Block 52+ jets.


Pakistan is also buying more than 150 Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder fighters. According to Flight International’s World Air Forces Directory 2015—Pakistan currently has forty-nine of the aircraft in service with 100 more on order. The JF-17 ultimately originates as an extensive redesign of the Chendu F7, which was originally a license-built MiG-21 derivative. Powered by a Russian-made Klimov RD-93—which is a version of the MiG-29’s engine—the JF-17 provides decent capability at low prices. It is likely that the JF-17 will replace Pakistan’s geriatric fleet of Chengdu F-7s, Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs.


The rest of Pakistan’s fleet is composed of 140 Chinese-made F-7P and F-7PG fighters, which are a Chinese copy of the Mikoyan MiG-21. The aircraft have been upgraded with Italian-built Grifo-Mk-II radars, but are now obsolete. There are also roughly 157 French-built Dassault Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs in service with the Pakistani air force. But while the F-7 will eventually be replaced by the JF-17, it’s not clear what Pakistan’s intentions are to replace the Mirage fighters.

The bottom line for Pakistan is that while its air force can’t compete with the Indian air force in terms of numbers, it is upgrading its forces and potentially even growing. Meanwhile, India’s air force is shrinking.

The overall balance of power in South Asia rests with India—but that nation is increasingly being challenged by an ever more powerful China, even if Pakistan is not quite the threat it once was. But the Indian military—particularly its air force is suffering due to that nation’s dysfunctional government, incompetent bureaucracy and intransigent negotiating tactics.

The Indian air force is required to muster a strength of forty-two combat aircraft squadrons, however, due to decades of negligence it can barely manage to operatethirty-five units. That number could further shrink and hit a low of twenty-five squadrons if nothing is done to staunch the bleeding.

Part of the problem is a lack of trained pilots, but mostly it’s India’s inability to select a new fighter and complete negotiations in a timely manner—or really at all. The prime example of Indian bureaucratic incompetence is the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition, which started with an Indian air force requirement for 126 fighters in 2001. While the Dassault Rafale eventually “won” the competition in 2011—nearly ten years later—India managed to derail the negotiations with various unreasonable demands that neither the French government or Dassault would ever agree to. Ultimately, the MMRCA program was cancelled earlier this year.

India is currently negotiating to buy thirty-six Rafales directly from the French government; a deal is allegedly imminent by the end of the year. But given India’s track record—that’s dubious at best. But the Indian air force still needs at least 120 medium combat aircraft with similar capability to the Rafale. Indeed, the Indians still hope to buy more Rafales, but they might have to extend production of the indigenous Tejas to keep their fleet numbers up.

But the problem with India’s HAL Tejas is that it is one of the single worst fighter projects that has ever been conceived of in the history of aviation. Even as it enters service, the aircraft is obsolete and is probably inferior in many respects to the JF-17. The jet has 57 known deficiencies and will probably get a lot of Indian pilots killed if any type of conflict were ever to break out.

Meanwhile, the one bright spot for the Indian air force is the Sukhoi Su-30MKI. While the Indians have had some issues with the Russians in supporting the Flanker-H, the 220 Su-30s that are currently in service are that country’s first line of defense. India will ultimately buy 272 Flanker-H fighters, but it should give serious consideration to extending that buy until its air force recovers some of its numerical strength. Basically, India should consider scrapping the Tejas and buying 120 or more additional Flankers.

In the future, the Indians are likely to buy a derivative of Russia’s T-50 PAK-FA stealth fighter. But the Indian-Russian co-development effort is a rocky one—and it is unclear how many jets will ultimately be delivered to the Indian air force and when. India is also developing it’s own fifth-generation fighter—but given it’s previous efforts on the Tejas, it’s not likely to fly any time soon.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...w-painful-death-indias-air-force-14149?page=2


Ecuador cancels order for Indian choppers after crashes

NEW DELHI: India’s ambitions to become a military industrial hub for overseas clients may have suffered a jolt after the government of Ecuador cancelled orders for Indian-built choppers following a clutch of fatal crashes, local reports said on Thursday.

“In a major setback for Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the government of Ecuador which had bought seven Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopters from India has grounded all such remaining choppers in service and has unilaterally ended a contract with the state-owned Indian company,” NDTV channel reported.

It said the decision was taken after four of the seven Indian-built choppers crashed.

They were supplied to Ecuador between 2009 and 2012.

At least two of the chopper crashes were linked to pilot errors. One of them was assigned to transport the president of the country when it went down, though he was not on board, the report said.

Two of the helicopters crashed because of mechanical problems, Ecuador’s defence ministry has reportedly said, adding that getting spare components for the choppers from India had proven to be problematic.

Reacting to the situation in Ecuador, senior officials at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in Bengaluru have told NDTV that they are yet to receive any official word on cancellation of the contract with HAL. They insist that all spare components have been provided on time, and that they had not been provided with any investigation reports indicating the mechanical failures on the helicopters.

HAL, which had provided ground support for these choppers in Ecuador, have said that the two choppers that crashed allegedly because of mechanical defects went down after the ground support period with Ecuador had ended, according to NDTV.

There are more than 200 Dhruv choppers in service with the Indian Armed Forces, which use them extensively. The chopper, which is capable of high altitude operations, had played a major role in the rescues in Uttarakhand during the Kedarnath floods, according to the report.

“The Ecuadorian decision to scrap its contract with HAL will come as a major blow to the company looking to seek foreign customers for the Dhruv choppers which have, by and large, been accepted favourably by the Indian Armed forces which have flown them for more than 150,000 hours since they were inducted,” NDTV said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1213351

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[SBUS-CXK]

Sindhurakshak to be sunk or used for target practice: Navy