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The iceberg behind the tip

Given the deafening silence of the TTs, perhaps @MastanKhan and @genmirajborgza786 may have a comment or two on the following paragraphs written exclusively for PDF, long before Mr, Snowden's revelations?

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From the moment an incident like this happens, there are mechanisms in place to capture a wealth of data, so comprehensively voluminous that it can take months to analyze fully. The data gathered start from the site of the event, and collection concentrates on the chain of propagation, i.e., how and where information is communicated, in addition to what is being communicated. After suitable analysis, what emerges is a flow of information, with the sentinel event in the center, and all the ripples radiating outwards, with all the nuances captured in detail.

This map displays critical nodes and junctions where certain ripples in the flow of information come together, and their timing. Specially important are holdups and delays, if any can be identified. All this information is combed over to identify suitable sites to inject carefully selected pieces of information that have the potential to utterly confuse and demoralize and indeed even cause totally opposite reactions from the opponent at a crucial chosen time.

Vcheng,

There is no one in TT who wants to write----the TT chairperson is a college kid---. I have yet to see an article from the leader of the house.
 
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Vcheng,

There is no one in TT who wants to write----the TT chairperson is a college kid---. With a name like Jalibi---what do you expect. I have yet to see an article from the leader of the house.

The nickname can be anything, as it does not bear any relationship to the content posted under that nickname.

I wrote that article hoping that it would lead to better posts and discussions, but the results show the futility of trying to improve the standards. It is perhaps easier to stay in the Member's Club, if at all.

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Back to the article, given all the revelations, I can only hope that a thorough assessment of the security of information has been undertaken at all levels. The next fiasco will reveal more.
 
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The nickname can be anything, as it does not bear any relationship to the content posted under that nickname.

I wrote that article hoping that it would lead to better posts and discussions, but the results show the futility of trying to improve the standards. It is perhaps easier to stay in the Member's Club, if at all.

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Back to the article, given all the revelations, I can only hope that a thorough assessment of the security of information has been undertaken at all levels. The next fiasco will reveal more.

Vcheng,

What it will come down to is that who is incharge on the otherside of the microphone. An obnoxious arshole commander will still create problems. It is also important as to how the MESSAGE IS CONVEYED---in what mode---in a neutral pasionate or ascreaming diatribe upset mode with precise location of the location and issue in contention or just a general--you know what you are doing so you should stop it kind of.

It also comes down to---what kind of message the other side wants to convey with its reaction--the political juxtapositioning and power posturing will determine the result by the aggressor.

What pakistn needs to do is to lernn wht israel does----blow the ship up first and then start talking----. So next time any untoward action---give a massive reply first and then mke the phone ring----.

Regardless what the circumstances are----israel has always set up a great example of national integrity---. Just folow that example.
 
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@araz Would you like to comment on my "veil of verbosity" and perhaps how later events have proved it to be correct?
Vcheng sahib.
Iam at a loss as to how to respond to you. You want a response to a statement that I made without having said anything in response. Needless to say I stand by my words with regards to the piece that you wrote. A piece that has no beginning and no aim and gives its reader no clue about where you want to take things is indeed a veil of verbosity where you have weaved a web of words which baffles a simpleton like me without giving me a direction to channel my thoughts.
 
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Vcheng sahib.
Iam at a loss as to how to respond to you. You want a response to a statement that I made without having said anything in response. Needless to say I stand by my words with regards to the piece that you wrote. A piece that has no beginning and no aim and gives its reader no clue about where you want to take things is indeed a veil of verbosity where you have weaved a web of words which baffles a simpleton like me without giving me a direction to channel my thoughts.

Oh, in that case, let me simplify what I said a long time ago: Almost all digital communications within Pakistan are collected, stored and analyzed in great detail. Pakistan needs to take that into account when formulating any polices or responses, but it may not succeed in doing that.

I would say more, but why be verbose? :D
 
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Oh, in that case, let me simplify what I said a long time ago: Almost all digital communications within Pakistan are collected, stored and analyzed in great detail. Pakistan needs to take that into account when formulating any polices or responses, but it may not succeed in doing that.

I would say more, but why be verbose? :D
Fully agreed. If it pertains to the US then they might not even have bothered. There are enough gernail and kernail and other highup in Umreekan pockets that they neednt have bothered. Bhai as a national entity under the current general setup we are morally, intellectually, nationally so bankrupt even our kashkol has a hole in it. Why should we blame others when we dont even have a national identity or a direction to move into. You need someone to give us some clothes to hide our bare butts so we can maint8an some dignity. This dignith will come when we have a common goal añd a sense of direction and belonging. No democracy is ever going to bring us that. Of this I am sure. The price we will pay to get our dignity back would be in blood and sweat by the tons including some of the fat cats that have for so long raped this nation. Will we be allowed to do that.HELL NO. TOO many FRIENDS out there ready to spill my GUTS on the alter of their sacred master. So where as you are verbose I am very candid.have a great smile at that.
Araz
 
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By VCheng

The recent unfortunate incident between NATO and PA has raised a firestorm within Pakistan, and grave concerns internationally. ISPR has already put forth its official statement on the issue, but since the final NATO report is not yet out, it would not be productive to comment on the events of that night at this point in time. However, since chess is never won by emotions, this would be a good time to see in a coldly logical manner what iceberg lays behind the tip that surfaced only a few days ago.

From the moment an incident like this happens, there are mechanisms in place to capture a wealth of data, so comprehensively voluminous that it can take months to analyze fully. The data gathered start from the site of the event, and collection concentrates on the chain of propagation, i.e., how and where information is communicated, in addition to what is being communicated. After suitable analysis, what emerges is a flow of information, with the sentinel event in the center, and all the ripples radiating outwards, with all the nuances captured in detail.

This map displays critical nodes and junctions where certain ripples in the flow of information come together, and their timing. Specially important are holdups and delays, if any can be identified. All this information is combed over to identify suitable sites to inject carefully selected pieces of information that have the potential to utterly confuse and demoralize and indeed even cause totally opposite reactions from the opponent at a crucial chosen time.

What is then created is the "haze", the mass of confusing and conflicting information that breaks down established procedures, causing the opponent irreparable harm. Is it any wonder that the response of both the PA and the PAF was less than robust in the recent event? After all, these are regarded as two of the most professional military entities anywhere on the entire planet, where the slogan "Second to None" once held real meaning and pride, and thus the other possibility, sheer and utter incomptence, cannot be a feasible or sufficient explanation.

Pakistan would do well to attempt to analyze the full scale of its vulnerabilities exposed by the current event, for it is a sure thing that all the information collected as described above, will be available for use for any possible future events, not only in the arena that generated it, but by other parties in other theaters as well, if updated and shared.

International geopolitics has been likened to a chess game quite often with good reason, but in modern times, the level of complexity has gone up manifold, enabled by immense technological resources in such a manner that each square on the board has its own chess game while participating in the overall match as well. A novice in penury playing chess with a seasoned Grandmaster cannot count on a few pea shooters in the pocket to be protected from an utterly crushing defeat.

Therein lies an important realization if it were to be made.

The iceberg behind the tip | Pakistan Defence
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There is the search operation for MH370, and then there is surveillance of the search operation to see what capabilities are being deployed by each country.
 
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