The iceberg behind the tip

[Pakistanisage]

Stand Tall Pakistan. Do not give in to the BULLY. The Bully only understand the language of Force. If you retreat to the backfoot the bully will come in charging but if you stand your ground and strike back with overwhelming force the fully will take notice and retreat out of respect for you. Show the bully who is incharge and you will get bully's undivided attention.

 

[VCheng]

Stand Tall Pakistan. Do not give in to the BULLY. The Bully only understand the language of Force. If you retreat to the backfoot the bully will come in charging but if you stand your ground and strike back with overwhelming force the fully will take notice and retreat out of respect for you. Show the bully who is incharge and you will get bully's undivided attention.

Very motivating words.

However, the article is meant to indicate the need to think and analyze in order to increase effectiveness, specially when the opponent is crafty, resourceful and determined.

 

[karan.1970]

^^^^^ but i think time has changed. Americans are more deparate as they realise they are moving out and how little they have to show for the last 10 years in afghans

You know how quickly some thing to show for last 10 years can be organized.. Abbotabad showed that in May this year..Just one night and the ballgame changed..

 

[SSGPA1]

The PA wants to ensure that Pakistan gets most out of the Afghan end game and the US wants to ensure that a pro-India Afghanistan is in place. Reymond Davis, OBL operation and now Salala check post have been conducted to show Pakistan Army in poor light in front of the home audiences.

As long as PA looks bad, Zardari regime would continue and Afghanistan’s end game will be supported and all agreements will easily be signed by the Zardari regime.

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan need to rise as a nation, no gun, brain or heart can stand against a united nation.
(Batman)

Bottom line:
Violating sovereignty of Pakistan & murdering soldiers of coalition partners …. Reflects, no respect for the Pakistani nation, human life, Islam, ethics, mutual agreements & international laws.

The evil of 26-11-2011 is not an independent incident... There were lot of small incidents, which were being adding upto the point, where traitors of Pakistan had no choice but to give in…. or leave.
While the hate towards Pakistan, can be seen overflowing by the forces present in Afghan region.

I strongly believe the trumped NATO report will be prepared in same way as Iraq's WMD report was prepared or Pakistani nukes being stolen by TTP… etc. etc etc

Yet, the report is not out but counter maneuvers had been already began… and report will be nothing but usual bickering of non relevant stuff…. which I will not mention… because the idea of launching such discussions or blogs is brain storming, which helps prepare the said report to immaculate quality…… catering, arguments for all queries floating, out there…. buildup, understanding on how deep Pakistanis see and how much the controlled media can hide the truth…… who is up for sale… etc… etc..

Considering US-Pakistan official / unofficial relations history.... a lot can be said.. but Pakistan holding back its transit aid was long overdue…. while retaliating with… anti-Pakistan bickering… is unfair.
Pakistan has all the rights to send the bill of its motor ways to NATO because 90% of the load on Pakistani motorways is of Afghan transit aid, therefore 90% of construction charges shall be paid upfront.

Last but not least… wonder, why US president never like to meet his counterpart in Pakistan?

 

[W.11]

btw is it beneath or behind, im a little grammatically confused??

 

[rockstarIN]

I think that BOTH sides know what they are doing, actually. There will be no skirmishes or further escalation from this incident; I am reasonably confident in saying that.

So is that a test run or just recording the reactions are as per expected?

Or any message being delivered?

 

[OrionHunter]

It is indeed incomprehensible that 26 Pakistani soldiers were killed as a result of lack of information and coordination resulting in confusion at all levels of command. Shouldn't heads roll for the unnecessary loss of lives of soldiers? Whatever happened to SOPs that were supposed to have been put in place after the Abottabad raid? Were any lessons learnt after that incident and if they were why was no action taken to sort out procedures and deployment of assets to avoid any future incidents?

Whatever happened to the promised deployment of radars and other weapon systems to counter such incursions after Operation Neptune Spear? Who is responsible for this 'chalta hai' attitude wherein nothing had changed after that raid that took out Osama? It was back to business as usual after some hue and cry lasting a couple of days.

The question is: Will people at the helm of affairs get down to the brass tacks and show seriousness in evolving SOPs that would be followed in letter and spirit at the lower levels of command? Or is it going to be more of the same?

For God's sake, 26 soldiers killed and and many more injured but no one at the top is being held accountable for this systemic failure?

 

[Awesome]

Life is not a chess game - emotions cannot be discounted from decision making without discounting humanity from the equation. Its funny how Americans advise investigations, analysis of data, which in itself seems more and more like double speak that contributes to the haze and the confusion, but when they themselves were the aggrieved party their stance was "With us or against us?"

I think there's no pussyfooting required to claim the fact that Pakistan has finally done enough and cannot do more. Now its America's turn to show us some love - first.

To quote the Punjabi Tina Sani song:

Meri mannay tay, teriaan vi main manna
Teri sau je ik wi gal moraan

Jay ay sauda nahi pujda, ay rabba
Ferr main jawan tay rab koi hor loran

It's human nature to demand such high standards of care even from God or else humanity is known to even switch Gods. We're only talking about a dubious ally.

 

[Awesome]

23rd December is not that far off, we'll see the official statement from the US. Also it would be holiday from then on for about a week. I think there is an American attempt to hope that a "raat gai baat gai" scenario emerges and eventually things go back to normal even if American does nothing.

They could have fired a few people from their jobs at least by now.

 

[regular]

You're right.

We are the "long game" for them.

Yes! with Pakistan and China they can go a long game against US no matter what and will eventually prove very lethal for US/NATO.Its time for the US to learn a real lesson which no power was ever able to teach them after Vietnam cuz the US aggression is going out of control for the weaker countries........Insha-Allah.....

 

[53fd]

There is a reason why Pakistan has come out so hard & making all the noises on this incident, it's not just about this incident itself. It's about changing the existing 'rules of engagement' between the US & Pakistan. Pakistan is starting to adapt a very different policy to what the US wants from Pakistan (which Pakistan has been following for at least 5-6 years now) in the region, & Imran Khan is being 'conditioned' to follow this new policy once he steps to the helm.

 

[fd24]

23rd December is not that far off, we'll see the official statement from the US. Also it would be holiday from then on for about a week. I think there is an American attempt to hope that a "raat gai baat gai" scenario emerges and eventually things go back to normal even if American does nothing.

They could have fired a few people from their jobs at least by now.

It doesnt matter about the 23rd December. The delaying tactics employed to release this info has cleverly orchestrated so as to take time. Time is a great healer. It firstly gives oppertunity to "smooth" the raw wound by lining the pockets of those that will voice and calm the masses down in Pakistan. People have short memories and things will start to get back to normal.
On this occassion i believe its different. Some people wont be sold out this tiime as America have taken one step beyond and our relations wont heal quickly - that is if they ever heal.
Diversification is what the USA specialize in and it works regularly. Sadly the next powerhouse China is starting to flex its muscles and the next moves will be critical in establishing world peace. America cannot and will not be stupid enough to flex their muscles in our region as Pakistan are as subtle as a brick through a window.The response and im sure the USA know this will be catastrophic. Dont corner a tiger and expect no response - we all know what Pakistan can respond with.
Now you know guys its was so critical to develop nukes - we would have been mince meat years ago!

 

[53fd]

It's interesting that Gen. Dempsey has already come to many conclusions prior to the results of the investigation. That gives us an indication of what we can expect on Dec 23 coming out from the US.

 

[fd24]

So far Bilal their has been 5 different accounts of the events. This is why Dec 23rd has become insignicant. They are renound liars and will cook up another story and satisfy the "public". What they cant do and wont do is gloss over the cracks and sooth those that were questioning their motives prior to this event. Those people are now firmly convinced of the USA intentions.