Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[Kompromat]

I have heard 2 squadrons.

 

[I M Sikander]

USA will finance procurement from Russia, just like she is financing Mi-35. In short It's Putin who have to worry about recovering money from Pakistan not Indians.

Typical butt hurt indian. Talking utter nonsense in furstation.

Can you please tell me single defence deal in which pakistan failed to make it payments and cancelled the deal.

Unlike india , we dont do MMRCA drama and then fu....k the deal after 8 years trials and negotiations, as indians cant afford the 20 billion dollar jet deal.

 

[Irfioo7]

If this deal is inked, is it going to affect FGFA il 214 Brahmos 2 , no it won't ,is India willing to sacrifice such tech to teach lesson to Russia, Russia is in a win win situation

 

[Vyom]

at 65 Million a piece let see how many can Paksitan afford..

 

[Maarkhoor]

Most probably Russia playing with Pakistan and Pakistan also for two reasons
1- Russia want India to get jets from Russia only
2- Pakistan is telling USA if not you provide high tech weapons we can purchase from Russia.
It is game if Pakistan needs these type of Fighter we can get from China easily since we can't trust bear so that the Bear.

 

[I M Sikander]

nice logic...
pakistan military consists of army, navy and air force. the 8 billion $ is for all, not only for AF.

Payments are usually made in 5 to 8 year tenure, after signing of agreement. So by paying 500 million dollar each year, paf can make payment for 36 jets in 8 years. Delivery of jets also take around 4-5 years to complete.

 

[abdulbarijan]

lol, indian supremacy is the reason why you become a Bengladeshi.

SU-35 is not going to face rafale,.. it is going to face PAK FA/FGFA. and the reason for russian offer to pakistan is to put pressure on india to buy more pak fa. with an excuse to say "look we are only giving less advanced SU-35 to pakistan, but we are offering cutting edge PAK FA to you"
this offer is noting but a russian tratics for india to buy more pak fa as india already cut down the number of PAK fa than we originally planed to buy(from 250 to 65)

You put an interesting point there ... glossing over the 1971 thing which Indians love to bring up .. and 1965 as well after the recent celebrations you guys had ... maybe, who knows .. you'll also start celebrating 1962 ... but lets come to your point ...

- While aircrafts are made to have certain advantages over say a set type of aircrafts ... but lets not assume that while reacting to a threat you would be able to put X aircraft against Y aircraft ... the one's with the most probability of engaging those aggressors would be the jets either patrolling the area or ones at the most nearest FOB's ..

- Secondly, its really amusing to see an Indian member talking as if the deal is already done ... hold your horses .. we're just in the initial phases of negotiations ... you might see a completely different supplier for a similar jet ... or a very customized SU-35 ... but then again that depends on how the negotiations go ...

-lastly, As far as Pak-FA goes, PAF is already in negotiations for FC-31 as our next generation project .. so, the deal as to, who engages who ... or which jet is meant to negate the advantages of a certain jet from the other side ... it would be FC-31 for PAF against Pak-FA for IAF ..

As far as pressure for more Pak-Fa's ... the problem is ... the Russians have already witnessed India screwing them out of the MMRCA --- then we had the Indians going for US equipment ... they can already see the writing on the wall -- where IAF is going for more western equipment ... now that the Indian economy is expanding ..
In the end, they may even use it as a pressure tactic, but the bigger picture is.. Russia looking in to other markets now that India is diversifying its suppliers ...

 

[special]

If this deal is inked, is it going to affect FGFA il 214 Brahmos 2 , no it won't ,is India willing to sacrifice such tech to teach lesson to Russia, Russia is in a win win situation

who told you india have only these projects with russia. india is not going to sacrifice Brahmos or FGFA.. there are other deals such as Ka 226 chopper deal, T-90ms, armata tank, ammunition for tanks, and many other...

 

[I M Sikander]

at 65 Million a piece let see how many can Paksitan afford..

We are already paying america 1 billion dollar (67 million dollar per piece) for 15 vipers choppers.
Any more butt hurt questions?

 

[Great Sachin]

Same case with India Russia biggest and honest supplier of defense equipment to India but India chooses France or USA over Russia it is not like Russia looses business but a slap on Russian face surely they return it back selling equipment to Pakistan. And Russia supplies China a big rival / threat to India does it matter for Russia no.

after all this...India is still the biggest buyer for Russia....can they afford to lose that buyer....Can you lose your traditional biggest buyer for very small buyer who is mostly rely on loan

 

[special]

Payments are usually made in 5 to 8 year tenure, after signing of agreement. So by paying 500 million dollar each year, paf can make payment for 36 jets in 8 years. Delivery of jets also take around 4-5 years to complete.

recently pakistan had ordered many expensive deals such as attack chopper deal from us, submarines and frigates, helecoptors from china, so your budget is already stretched.
as US is planing to stop military aid to pakistan. it will be a great difficult for you to order su-35.
any way.. lets wait and watch what will happen to SU35 deals and its effect of indo-russian relation.

 

[batmannow]

I feel that by these talks,
Pakistan is putting pressure on the US to release more F-16s...
and Russia is putting pressure on India to cancel the Rafael deal and buy more SU-30s.

Sory ,
I don't think decade old F-16s are worthy for PAF any more & specially suffering in karagill war in which our F-16s didn't able to fly , we think its really needed ?
Pakistan is doing the right thing , with China ,s special interests Pakistan & Russia are now strategic friends .
Pakistan needs a super fighter which at least stand 20 more years as the flying terminator to its enemies & will not have any shortage of spares & its supplies ?
With China have all sorts of flankers including SU-27 (J11s) , SU -30 & also su 35s it hasballl the spares & over hauling facilities in its hands , which will be used by PAF in any sort of situations at any time ?
Russia has the biggest cash holder investor /partner China in its banks so its not worried about lossing India ?
Instead just imagine most of Indian navy & its air force is been made by RUSSIA , if India goes for any deal with USA , Russia can stop all the supplies to India , just then India will be a sitting duck even to Bangladesh air force ?
All this social media warriors of India are just thumping thier chests cause they knew already their govt not have much in its hands ?

recently pakistan had ordered many expensive deals such as attack chopper deal from us, submarines and frigates, helecoptors from china, so your budget is already stretched.
as US is planing to stop military aid to pakistan. it will be a great difficult for you to order su-35.
any way.. lets wait and watch what will happen to SU35 deals and its effect of indo-russian relation.

Who told you USA has planned to stop AID to us ?
You just got the dream ?right ?lolzz

 

[Great Sachin]

So you can by from usa but russia can't sell to Pak ?


As for biggest buyer etx.... You guys aren't in the ideal position to blackmail russia .. Considering the fact thT it's you who are dependent on Russia to supply spares for most of your equipment tht is of russian origin ... And not the other way around ...

but we can stop new business with Russia....like PAK FA etc....which is huge deal compare to your tiny deal...

 

[I M Sikander]

recently pakistan had ordered many expensive deals such as attack chopper deal from us, submarines and frigates, helecoptors from china, so your budget is already stretched.
as US is planing to stop military aid to pakistan. it will be a great difficult for you to order su-35.
any way.. lets wait and watch what will happen to SU35 deals and its effect of indo-russian relation.

Most procurements are from china, which are against soft loan on long term basis.

 

[Sugarcane]

well russian always take more than 40% of the deal ammount before first diliverry and almost entire sum of deal till 60% diliverries are made so i dont have to wrry about russians it will be pakistanies who will be worried ..... dont trust indians on it try it yourself...... good luck

Again, it's none of India's concern. IF PAF wants Su-35 and Russia is willing to sell than Indians can't do anything except burning, just like it happened with engines of JF-17 and Mi-35.