Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[jaiind]

Same case with India Russia biggest and honest supplier of defense equipment to India but India chooses France or USA over Russia it is not like Russia looses business but a slap on Russian face surely they return it back selling equipment to Pakistan. And Russia supplies China a big rival / threat to India does it matter for Russia no.

US has been aiding pak since decades with its tech and $$. Russia could not provide any stuff in the form of aid like america, then how would you mange the $$ to get decent fleet??.

 

[special]

Pak fa can be countered with matured/tweaked j-31 no problem and there is a rumor about Pak fa t-150 specific counter aircraft at shenyang design institute. but yet its only a rumor no source.

Man you Indians are really delusional . The world doesn't revolve around you mate.

And by the time PAKFA is comes down to India, it won't be facing Su-35 or even F-16, it would be facing Chinese J31 or . Happy hunting.

lol.. you pakistanis are really fools..
pakistani is not US or china to buy 2 expensive fighters at same time.
Turkish TFX, j-31, j-20, SU 35!!!!!!!!!!! what is this?? list of fighter jets of neighboring countries!!??? shame on you pakistanis to show proud on some else product. Turkey and china is not pakistan, they are developing fighter jets for themselves and for export, not to gift pakistan. you neither have the financial capacity nor have the infrastructure to buy these fighters simultaneously. an order for Su-35 means deal for j-31 is dead. with only 7 billion $ you think that you can buy all these fighters??? now think who is in delusion.
india is developing AMCA, and will have PAK FA in a JV. so two 5 gen fighters as the same time. pakistanis, don't consider yourself as powerful as US or china. even with a defense budget of $45 billion(drastically increasing in every year) india found it little bit difficult to maintain to two 5 gen. fighter programs. so what you pakistanis can do with only $7 billion!!??

LOL, if you think you are getting Pak FA in the next 5 to 6 years then you are truly disillusional. The Russians can't even induct a squadron of it into its own Air Force and you guys think you can get it. You might get a few for training but not enough for a squadron.
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russia is going to introduce pak fa in 2016. india will get it in 2018. by the time pakistan(if they order the SU-35) have su-35.

Yeah, like in 1947.

no, like in 1971.

 

[Tameem]

@Beast is that your thread in 2012?......Genius!
Is PAF going to get 24 Su-35 fighter?

What you say on this latest development? is this anywhere related to your those hypothesis?

 

[gau8av]

I'll be honest, this would suck if it goes through.

 

[farhan_9909]

Let suppose the cost of Su 35 is $100 Million and we want to buy 36 of them.This still equal to less than 4 Billion dollars

Pakistan defence budget is almost $8 Billion and is increasing at a rate of 12-15% each year,this mean it would be in excess of 10Billion dollars in the next 2 years.

So for smaller numbers like 36,money should not be the problem

 

[Maarkhoor]

US has been aiding pak since decades with its tech and $$. Russia could not provide any stuff in the form of aid like america, then how would you mange the $$ to get decent fleet??.

This is not your / Indian problem if we are discussing then we must have already gather the sources we are not doing dumb things like MMRCA. You know the Pakistani economy back in 80s when we purchased latest F-16, when china is investing 40 + billions or probably more and have Gawader on lease so thinks about that it is hard to get 3 or 4 billion funds from china to protect its assets here in Pakistan.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Congratulations.

 

[jaiind]

This is not your / Indian problem if we are discussing then we must have already gather the sources we are not doing dumb things like MMRCA. You know the Pakistani economy back in 80s when we purchased latest F-16, when china is investing 40 + billions or probably more and have Gawader on lease so thinks about that it is hard to get 3 or 4 billion funds from china to protect its assets here in Pakistan.

does china is purchasing these jets on behalf of you to get their hands on the su 35 engines ??

 

[nadeemkhan110]

RANGE of SU-35
If successful, the acquisition could have an immediate impact on these disputes. In addition to strengthening China’s hand in a hypothetical conflict, the Su-35’s range and fuel capacity would allow the People’s Liberation Army Navy Air Force (PLANAF) to undertake extended patrols of the disputed areas, following the model it has used to apply pressure to Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands.

Map of south china sea

 

[batmannow]

This has already been addressed, you idiot. Read through the thread. An anonymous official's words are worthless.

I'm still waiting for the j-10 coming to Pakistan, that you keep harping on about.

It's not happening.

For you the statement given by Russian DFM & then Jane s defence journal is also nothing ?
So idiot ? You are ?
Cause no one will ever going to you , & ask hey idiot may we sell or buy these birds pls give us your permission ?lolzz

 

[volatile]

How many of these birds are we looking at ? I read 120 somewhere not sure though !!

PAF is looking for 2 squadron atleast for any heavy weight titan not 120 .120 figure appears more plasuible for F16 with 200 JF17

 

[Bang Galore]

Let suppose the cost of Su 35 is $100 Million and we want to buy 36 of them.This still equal to less than 4 Billion dollars

Pakistan defence budget is almost $8 Billion and is increasing at a rate of 12-15% each year,this mean it would be in excess of 10Billion dollars in the next 2 years.

So for smaller numbers like 36,money should not be the problem

Without going into actual purchase issues, let me point out a problem with that line of thinking. If the defence budget is $8 billion, it would probably leave about $ 2-3 billion available for capital purchase, the rest having gone for expenses. That will then have to be divided by the three forces, the PA getting the largest portion. The actual amount available for the Air Force would be a small portion of that & that would be for all purchases, not just one. More likely that the government would have to add a separate component in the budget to manage such purchases.

 

[I M Sikander]

if Russia can afford to lose India who is the biggest buyer in the world and biggest buyer for Russia.....so good luck

India isnt going any where.
Iaf is 90 percent russian jets, except mirages.

Iaf cant get rid of russian jets till next 3 decades. Su 30 are supreme iaf jets and the situation will remain so in coming decades.

India is tightly bound to russia by PAKFA and upgrade programs for SU30 and mig 29. Russian knows that india cant divorse them so they are discovering new friends.

 

[rockstarIN]

Let suppose the cost of Su 35 is $100 Million and we want to buy 36 of them.This still equal to less than 4 Billion dollars

Pakistan defence budget is almost $8 Billion and is increasing at a rate of 12-15% each year,this mean it would be in excess of 10Billion dollars in the next 2 years.

So for smaller numbers like 36,money should not be the problem

Are you ready to put/spent half of your military budget to buy 36 jets from a country which has long term relationship with you arch enemy, who gonna buy their latest 5th gen jet in numbers and customize it?

Whereas the well experienced good old F-16s are available in the market, cheaper options?

Its quite risky IMO. Just like India going to purchase 300 F-35s from America!

 

[special]

Let suppose the cost of Su 35 is $100 Million and we want to buy 36 of them.This still equal to less than 4 Billion dollars

Pakistan defence budget is almost $8 Billion and is increasing at a rate of 12-15% each year,this mean it would be in excess of 10Billion dollars in the next 2 years.

So for smaller numbers like 36,money should not be the problem

nice logic...
pakistan military consists of army, navy and air force. the 8 billion $ is for all, not only for AF.