Talks for Su-35, Mi-35 sales to Pakistan are underway: Russian Deputy FM

[GURU DUTT]

Again, it's none of India's concern. IF PAF wants Su-35 and Russia is willing to sell than Indians can't do anything except burning, just like it happened with engines of JF-17 and Mi-35.

as i said before good luck with it i hope su-35s come intpo PAF sooner than later .... cheers mate

 

[nadeemkhan110]

radar coverage areas of SU-35

 

[batmannow]

Developing a fifth generation plane takes time. It is not as simple as recruiting some kids as jihadis, training them for 3 months & sending them to Kashmir.

So take more 14years I don't mind it ?lolzz
& after su -35 deal with Pakistan ,I'm sure Russian will add 14 more years to it ?lolzz

 

[Icarus]

Russia has a massive MIC and it is their necessity to sell military hardware, with every one out of four persons employed in the MIC, there is a lot more than just their prestige at stake. Pakistan at the moment is also in a bind, the US has all but forsaken our defence needs, a fact that is further compounded by our economic situation. In such a case, it was only natural for Russia and Pakistan to begin seeing each other as a potential way out.
As for the SU-35, there is no question about the capability of the platform and it could do wonders for PAF. But I will wait for more concrete developments before factoring it into the domestic security equation. Even the official quoted in the article has said that there is no guarantee that anything will be agreed upon.
There is also the J-11 is which can perform in a similar role and will be more readily available to Pakistan, these are all considerations that need to be balanced out.

 

[Great Sachin]

yes it is right India is the biggest buyer of Russian Stuff but is India succeeded to Stop Russia selling top fighters and equipment to China and one more thing India is the top buyer and top dependent is it possible for India to ditch Russian ? yes business is business India trying to procure Jets from France and helo From USA.

India never stopped Russia to sell stuff to China...but sure ...Modi will play his card to stop selling to Pakistan....

 

[I M Sikander]

how about future projects.....India is biggest revenue maker for Russia....

India is already in agreements with russia on many defence projects for next 15 years. This include brahmos 2, PAKFA, su30 and mig 29 upgrades etc etc. Divorcing russia is no good option for india.

If france can sell sub marines and jets simultaneously to pakistan and india then why cant russia. Its pure business and defence strategy at the same time.

 

[Cry.me.a.River]

India isnt going any where.
Iaf is 90 percent russian jets, except mirages.

Iaf cant get rid of russian jets till next 3 decades. Su 30 are supreme iaf jets and the situation will remain so in coming decades.

India is tightly bound to russia by PAKFA and upgrade programs for SU30 and mig 29. Russian knows that india cant divorse them so they are discovering new friends.

India has Mig 21,27,29 and Su-30MKI of Russian Origin; Mirage-2000 of French origin, and Jaguar of French/British origin.

Barring Su-30MKI and Mig29, all Russian jets are nearing retirement.In 5 years, Percentage of Russian jets in Indian Arsenal would drop down below 50%.

 

[batmannow]

Developing a fifth generation plane takes time. It is not as simple as recruiting some kids as jihadis, training them for 3 months & sending them to Kashmir.

So take more 14years I don't mind it ?lolzz
& after su -35 deal with Pakistan ,I'm sure Russian will add 14 more years to it ?lolzz

we already started buying from US and France....Dont forget all the SU30 parts are being manufactured in India...Russian will loose billion if they stop supplying other parts....

and why they will do all this for some tiny deal with Pakistan?

Then go & do it , sure India can use $u-30s spares to its navy too ?lolzzz

 

[Maarkhoor]

India never stopped Russia to sell stuff to China...but sure ...Modi will play his card to stop selling to Pakistan....

Then try it

 

[special]

You put an interesting point there ... glossing over the 1971 thing which Indians love to bring up .. and 1965 as well after the recent celebrations you guys had ... maybe, who knows .. you'll also start celebrating 1962 ... but lets come to your point ...

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unlike you we accepts defeats. and no one in india is celebrating 1962 war as a victory day.

While aircrafts are made to have certain advantages over say a set type of aircrafts ... but lets not assume that while reacting to a threat you would be able to put X aircraft against Y aircraft ... the one's with the most probability of engaging those aggressors would be the jets either patrolling the area or ones at the most nearest FOB's ..

- Secondly, its really amusing to see an Indian member talking as if the deal is already done ... hold your horses .. we're just in the initial phases of negotiations ... you might see a completely different supplier for a similar jet ... or a very customized SU-35 ... but then again that depends on how the negotiations go ...
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no indian members are saying that this deal is signed.. from very 1st post we are saying the same... "good luck with the deal".

-lastly, As far as Pak-FA goes, PAF is already in negotiations for FC-31 as our next generation project .. so, the deal as to, who engages who ... or which jet is meant to negate the advantages of a certain jet from the other side ... it would be FC-31 for PAF against Pak-FA for IAF ..

As far as pressure for more Pak-Fa's ... the problem is ... the Russians have already witnessed India screwing them out of the MMRCA --- then we had the Indians going for US equipment ... they can already see the writing on the wall -- where IAF is going for more western equipment ... now that the Indian economy is expanding ..
In the end, they may even use it as a pressure tactic, but the bigger picture is.. Russia looking in to other markets now that India is diversifying its suppliers ...

the deal for j-31 will be over if PAF go for su-35 as the payment for russian jets will take majority of your defence budget. so buying j-31 will be really difficult for pakistan.

the russians lost the MMRCA because they give jet engines to pakistan, when the deal for engine(for JF-17) was signed by china and russia, it was known that mig 35 is out. some indian air force personals had also said that.
india is going for western equipment is because russian hardware are maintenance nighmeir. and also the western equipment are better in quality and advanced than russian.

 

[Skywalker]

at 65 Million a piece let see how many can Paksitan afford..

We have been buying latest jets since our independence, you only started buying top of the line western jets recently again, so dont tell the daddy how to fcuk. Last but not the least dont worry about budget allocation it isnaoways been different what we show for the public consmption.

 

[Maarkhoor]

We cant trust america or havent you learned your lesson yet . Name one instance that the us has stood up for you. .
You get f16 after how many years that you paid for . The irony you had to pay for storage and your leadership never sued their *** . That being ganja and co not that zrdari wouldnt have done the same.
I am not a technical person but after so many years doesnt the tech become obsolete. Also the ban on pakistan . Does that ring a bell.

And you trust Russians ? If in middle of war with India they stop spares for the Jets.

 

[batmannow]

India has Mig 21,27,29 and Su-30MKI of Russian Origin; Mirage-2000 of French origin, and Jaguar of French/British origin.

Barring Su-30MKI and Mig29, all Russian jets are nearing retirement.In 5 years, Percentage of Russian jets in Indian Arsenal would drop down below 50%.

So ,.cool then keep waiting for 5 more years when you really not much needed Russia for spares & amuonation supplies from Russia ?
Sorry but whole of your navy also is made of.russians & will you retire all of it in 5 years too ?lolzz

 

[Great Sachin]

yes it is right India is the biggest buyer of Russian Stuff but is India succeeded to Stop Russia selling top fighters and equipment to China and one more thing India is the top buyer and top dependent is it possible for India to ditch Russian ? yes business is business India trying to procure Jets from France and helo From USA.

India never stopped Russia to sell stuff to China...but sure ...Modi will play his card to stop selling to Pakistan....

 

[special]

Who told you USA has planned to stop AID to us ?
You just got the dream ?right ?lolzz

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