Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
07-August, 2015 13:59 IST
Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft

India signed the Inter-Government Agreement (IGA) with Russia for co-development and co-production of Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) in October 2007. The preliminary design stage of the FGFA programme has been completed in June 2013 based on a contract signed in December 2010 with the Russian side. The next stage of development of FGFA would commence upon signing of the Research & Development (R&D) contract.

The FGFA is planned to have State-of-the-Art technology including features such as advanced avionics, advanced software intensity etc.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri P Kumar in Lok Sabha today.

 

[Agent_47]

A new anti-radar missiles for fighter jet T-50

Corporation "Tactical Missiles" (Tactical Missiles Corporation) was developed and entered the testing anti-radiation missile X-58USHK intended for service with the Russian fifth generation fighter - the PAK FA (T-50). This information is shared with the Russian media, the general director of the corporation, Boris Obnosov, speaking at the International Maritime Defense Show in St. Petersburg (IMDS-2015). The corporation already started testing their new development, anti-radar missiles X-58USHK, everything goes according to the approved program, no failures, tests are within the planned deadlines, he told the press Boris Obnosov. According to the CEO of the corporation, a positive test result missiles will largely depend on the media. Therefore, the main missile test will be held in conjunction with the aircraft directly to the PAK FA, so most of the test program will be carried out directly in the flight in conjunction with the actual running surface and air radar. According to Boris Obnosov now developers are working on the corporation a new generation of rockets for the armament of the T-50. What kind of rocket, and what they will have the characteristics and functions, while developers do not disclose. We know one thing, the PAK FA will have on board arms appropriate to his abilities as a fighter of the fifth generation stealth. © Создана новая противорадиолокационная ракета для истребителя Т-50 :: ПВ.РФ Международный промышленный портал

 

[南加驯兽师]

The comparison made in this post between the RCS of J-20 and pak-fa does NOT make any sense at all. These results were computed using physical optics (PO), which is a high frequency approximation of Maxwell equations. When the size of the target or the component of the target is comparable to the wavelength, this method is not applicable. In other words, one can not use this method to compute the RCS of a jet fighter at the frequency of 0.15GHz (wavelength = 2m).

Another reason that invalidates the comparison is that, in the simulation of pak-fa, it was assumed there was a 377Ohm/sq loss and in the simulation of J-20, there was no loss. This means that there is RAM on the surface of pak-fa and J-20 is simply running naked. It's hard to believe any airplane with stealth feature would not use RAM on it's surface.

Your "fear" is not a valid source. Even if the pak-fa has a larger RCS then both of those aircraft you mentioned, it would not be the end of the world or mean that it is worse. The pak-fa is designed the be an all around aircraft, meant to have reduce RCS, long range, super cruise, high maneuverability and many other innovations.

Aircraft like the J-20 may have similar range to the pak-fa but it will also be far heavier and less maneuverable due to the aircraft's large mass, particularly the fuselage's large mass.


A specular test that Kopp did at 150 MHz, elev 45, Azm 315 shows that the pak-fa does considerably betterthen the J-20, at other frequencies or angles the J-20 better, and yet at other angles and frequencies the pak-fa does slightly better. Colors are represented by db levels.



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Spending more money does not solve the problem, the F-35 is massively over budget, for many reasons including constant defects and well known company mismanagement, not to mention the F-35 program is actually 3 different programs. As for the J-20 no one knows what the budget on it is is, nor does it matter.









You can think whatever you like but there is no basis for what you think, people have always doubted Russia, there are Russian stereotypes that go back to the cold war that Russians are dull, unimaginative and lack innovation but in reality Russia has been an innovator and pioneer in many fields. You sound a lot like the typical doubters, for years we have heard that the Armata program will be cancelled, we have heard that an unmanned turret is too complex, Russia does not have the know how, it requires too much automation, and so on. And then photos like this surfaced:



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My gwad how did the russkies do that? It's not possible, it must be a fake, even if it's real it's A-10 lunch.

 

[Perpendicular]

A new anti-radar missiles for fighter jet T-50

Corporation "Tactical Missiles" (Tactical Missiles Corporation) was developed and entered the testing anti-radiation missile X-58USHK intended for service with the Russian fifth generation fighter - the PAK FA (T-50). This information is shared with the Russian media, the general director of the corporation, Boris Obnosov, speaking at the International Maritime Defense Show in St. Petersburg (IMDS-2015). The corporation already started testing their new development, anti-radar missiles X-58USHK, everything goes according to the approved program, no failures, tests are within the planned deadlines, he told the press Boris Obnosov. According to the CEO of the corporation, a positive test result missiles will largely depend on the media. Therefore, the main missile test will be held in conjunction with the aircraft directly to the PAK FA, so most of the test program will be carried out directly in the flight in conjunction with the actual running surface and air radar. According to Boris Obnosov now developers are working on the corporation a new generation of rockets for the armament of the T-50. What kind of rocket, and what they will have the characteristics and functions, while developers do not disclose. We know one thing, the PAK FA will have on board arms appropriate to his abilities as a fighter of the fifth generation stealth. © Создана новая противорадиолокационная ракета для истребителя Т-50 :: ПВ.РФ Международный промышленный портал

Was first displayed at Airshow china last year (correct if am wrong). Chinese might be interested in it aswell for their programs.

 

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[Agent_47]

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Probable new helmet to go with PAKFA ?

 

[sathya]

IAF cut orders for 5th Gen FGFA by Half, down to only 65 aircrafts | idrw.org

Looking to cut costs and prune military imports, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has halved its demand for Russian-built fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).It now wants just three squadrons of the fighter jets which are to be inducted into the Russian Air Force in 2016.

Sources say the IAF has scaled down its needs and now indicated that just three squadrons (around 18 planes in each), besides a few more for training of the pilots, will be enough for now. This works out to be 65 planes, almost half from the earlier projection of 127 FGFAs to be jointly designed and produced by India and Russia.The T-50 has been built for the Russians under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) programme for the fifth generation fighter aircraft.

A plane will cost $100 million (Rs 650 crore). Three squadrons are the projection of an off-the-shelf deal India is pressing its military ally for immediate delivery of the planes.New Delhi has suggested to Moscow that the T-50 fighter jet can be supplied to the IAF, while the research to improve upon the aircraft can carry on simultaneously. The Tribune had first reported about India’s offer on February 24 this year.

Simultaneously, the IAF is also working on a $11 billion R&D contract for long-term development of the jet. It is pending ratification since 2013. In a written reply to the Rajya Sabha on August 4, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the preliminary design stage of the fifth generation fighter aircraft programme completed in June 2013.

“The expenditure incurred so far is Rs 1,483.15 crore,” Parrikar said. The next stage of development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft will commence after signing of the R&D contract.The problem is in case India opts for the R&D contract route, the deliveries are envisaged to commence 94 months – eight years. The next best option is to go for an immediate off-the-shelf purchase and in case the research-and-development contract works out, more jets can be produced here.

With a dwindling fleet of fighter jets, this wait is not an option for the IAF, said sources. By the end of this year, the IAF would be at its lowest combat strength in more than a decade. It will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and in the middle of a predicted shortage.

In a nutshell, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction to wage a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.The pruning down of numbers has been done as the IAF is backing its own options of getting French-origin Rafale jets and the remaining batch of 72 Sukhoi-30 MKI jets from Russia, sources say.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France in April this year announced the intent to get 36 Rafale jets. A cost negotiation committee is in talks with the French company and the numbers could go beyond the announced 36 as the IAF has projected a demand for 80 Rafale-type planes.

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I guess 65 PAK FA at the rate of 36 Rafales

It s damn bargain ...

 

[PARIKRAMA]

PAK FA To Get Heat Resistant Automated Rapid Fire Cannon

NPO Pribor's Automatic Rapid Fire Canon For Aircraf



PAK FA To Get Heat Resistant Automated Rapid Fire Cannon
Russian fifth generation fighter, PAK FA (T-50) will be fitted with automatic rapid-fire cannon with new heat resistant ammunition.

“The automatic rapid-fire aircraft cannon is used on all the jets and the new one (PAK FA) will also be fitted with it. Ammunition for these cannons offers maximum level of commonality, but deliveries of one of the latest types, which will be used by PAK FA, will be started soon; this refers to ammunition with a heat-resistant plastic rotating band,” NPO Pribor CEO Oleg Chizhevsky was quoted as saying by Tass Tuesday.

“Use of such ammunition will increase the efficiency and endurance of the cannon,” Chizhevsky said.

The fighter jet is expected to be put to service in 2016. The deliveries of the fighter are expected to start by 2017.

According to Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Defense Forces Viktor Bondarev, the indigenous fighter will be as good as F-22 and F-35 jets. Moreover, it will outmatch these vehicles by many parameters”.

PAK FA fighter performed its maiden flight in 2010. It was reported earlier that Russian air forces will take delivery of 55 fighters by 2020, however, in spring Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov said that the contract for delivery of the fifth-generation fighter would be adjusted taking into account the current economic situation

 

[Echo_419]

IAF cut orders for 5th Gen FGFA by Half, down to only 65 aircrafts | idrw.org

Looking to cut costs and prune military imports, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has halved its demand for Russian-built fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).It now wants just three squadrons of the fighter jets which are to be inducted into the Russian Air Force in 2016.

Sources say the IAF has scaled down its needs and now indicated that just three squadrons (around 18 planes in each), besides a few more for training of the pilots, will be enough for now. This works out to be 65 planes, almost half from the earlier projection of 127 FGFAs to be jointly designed and produced by India and Russia.The T-50 has been built for the Russians under the PAK-FA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation) programme for the fifth generation fighter aircraft.

A plane will cost $100 million (Rs 650 crore). Three squadrons are the projection of an off-the-shelf deal India is pressing its military ally for immediate delivery of the planes.New Delhi has suggested to Moscow that the T-50 fighter jet can be supplied to the IAF, while the research to improve upon the aircraft can carry on simultaneously. The Tribune had first reported about India’s offer on February 24 this year.

Simultaneously, the IAF is also working on a $11 billion R&D contract for long-term development of the jet. It is pending ratification since 2013. In a written reply to the Rajya Sabha on August 4, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the preliminary design stage of the fifth generation fighter aircraft programme completed in June 2013.

“The expenditure incurred so far is Rs 1,483.15 crore,” Parrikar said. The next stage of development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft will commence after signing of the R&D contract.The problem is in case India opts for the R&D contract route, the deliveries are envisaged to commence 94 months – eight years. The next best option is to go for an immediate off-the-shelf purchase and in case the research-and-development contract works out, more jets can be produced here.

With a dwindling fleet of fighter jets, this wait is not an option for the IAF, said sources. By the end of this year, the IAF would be at its lowest combat strength in more than a decade. It will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and in the middle of a predicted shortage.

In a nutshell, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction to wage a simultaneous two-front war with Pakistan and China.The pruning down of numbers has been done as the IAF is backing its own options of getting French-origin Rafale jets and the remaining batch of 72 Sukhoi-30 MKI jets from Russia, sources say.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit to France in April this year announced the intent to get 36 Rafale jets. A cost negotiation committee is in talks with the French company and the numbers could go beyond the announced 36 as the IAF has projected a demand for 80 Rafale-type planes.

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I guess 65 PAK FA at the rate of 36 Rafales

It s damn bargain ...

Pure speculation

 

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MIG corp: We've started to develop 5-gen light fighters based on MIG-35 & 1.44 Draft to show RuAF within months

Any ideas for IAF.

 

[SR-91]

MIG corp: We've started to develop 5-gen light fighters based on MIG-35 & 1.44 Draft to show RuAF within months
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Any ideas for IAF.

Is this an official drawing?

 

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@SR-91 Can't say, but you can see a latest chinese fighter programe similar to it.

 

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Head of Rosoboronexport : We have completed the first stage of FGFA (Developed sketched and technical project of the fighter).

 

[HariPrasad]

Ministry of Defence
31-July, 2015 14:51 IST
Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft

India signed the Inter-Government Agreement (IGA) with Russia for co-development and co-production of Fifth Generation Fighter aircraft in October 2007. As per the IGA, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the designated implementation organisation from the Indian side. In turn, HAL is supported by Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO), Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and other Indian agencies.

HAL and Rosoboronexport of Russia have signed the General Contract in December, 2008 and the Preliminary Design Contract in December, 2010. The Preliminary Stage of the project has been completed in June, 2013. The next stage of development would commence upon signing of the Research & Development (R&D) contract.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Charanjeet Singh Rori and Smt Vanaroja R in Lok Sabha today.

There was already a news that designing work of front part of FAGFA is already complete. A russin scientist/ diplomat had confirmed that.