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Russia further reduces order for Pak-Fa

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Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov Speaking to Russian media clarified that Purchase order for fifth generation fighter T-50 has been furthered reduced.

Russian air force will purchase only one squadron for first trial at the same time will increase the purchase of Su-35 fighters, which are cheaper.

the deputy minister stressed that the timing of the start of serial production of PAK FA is not changing and it will begin in 2016 as reported earlier.

Source : idrw
 
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Russia further reduces order for Pak-Fa

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Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov Speaking to Russian media clarified that Purchase order for fifth generation fighter T-50 has been furthered reduced.

Russian air force will purchase only one squadron for first trial at the same time will increase the purchase of Su-35 fighters, which are cheaper.

the deputy minister stressed that the timing of the start of serial production of PAK FA is not changing and it will begin in 2016 as reported earlier.

Source : idrw

This is what I have been saying past 2 weeks. Their capacity is 60 aircraft by 2020. They are procuring only 22 or so. We can easily procure the remaining. Drop the Rafale.
 
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This is what I have been saying past 2 weeks. Their capacity is 60 aircraft by 2020. They are procuring only 22 or so. We can easily procure the remaining. Drop the Rafale.

july 7 is it ?

we ll know about any possibility..
i dont think we ll go back on PM words in France. 36 may be the final number.
rest may go to pak fa.
 
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FGFA Fighter deal likely during Modi’s November visit to Russia
Published July 11, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: THE HINDU

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The final agreement for the joint development and production of a fifth generation fighter aircraft could be signed during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Russia in November, diplomatic sources told The Hindu on Thursday.Preparations are under way in both countries for the summit-level meeting to impart a qualitative boost to defence cooperation.

Agreeing that differences exist, sources said without getting into the details that “a workaround has been found and discussions are in an advanced stage” and an agreement could be reached “by autumn”. The final deal is likely to be signed in November.

The agreement on the fighter aircraft has been stuck because of differences in the work share between Sukhoi and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL). As the project is to have equal investment from each side, India has been insisting on parity in the work share. So far, both sides have invested $295 million for the preliminary design. India had some reservations on the engine and stealth characteristics.

India has requested Russia to let its pilots fly the T-50 prototypes currently under testing. A decision by Russia on this is expected shortly. India plans to induct 144 fighters and the entire project is expected to cost over $30 billion. The first batch of aircraft is expected to be handed over to the Russian Air Force in early 2017
 
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Now we will know how pak fa compares against pricey rafale..

In both cases we can't expect TOT
 
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India has requested Russia to let its pilots fly the T-50 prototypes currently under testing. A decision by Russia on this is expected shortly. India plans to induct 144 fighters and the entire project is expected to cost over $30 billion. The first batch of aircraft is expected to be handed over to the Russian Air Force in early 2017
I wonder what if IAF pilots are there already.
 
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If Izdeliye 30 proves successful, the PAK-FA would be able to super cruise at Mach 1.5+ speeds.
 
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The final stage of state testing of PAK FA fighter was started - News - Russian Aviation - RUAVIATION.COM

State testing of T-50 (PAK FA) fifth-generation fighter is entering its final stage; the jet demonstrates great performance and outmatches its foreign analogues, Vzglyad.ru reports with reference to Commander-in-Chief of the Russian air forces, Viktor Bondarev.

«The testing is in progress, it demonstrates great performance, the weapon system works great in terms of attacking both ground and air targets. The deliveries will be started next year; we are completing tests,» RIA Novosti cited Bondarev.

The Commander-in-Chief explained that the fighter would feature some stealth technologies, which is more important compared to speed (PAK FA’s maximum speed is over Mach 2). Missile is of great importance in terms of combat capabilities. «It is fitted with the latest equipment and weapons. Moreover, we are trying to implement all the latest solutions in this project,» the General added and noted that it’s possible in case no changes in the aircraft’s design are necessary.

«Of course, its capabilities outmatch everything that exists and will be developed in the near-term in the area of aircraft,» the Commander-in-Chief noted. «It will be as good as F-22 and F-35 jets. Moreover, it will outmatch these vehicles by many parameters,» he explained. Bondarev also said that the mass production of T-50 (PAK FA) fifth-generation fighters would be started in 2017. The number of purchased aircraft will depend on capabilities of the aircraft industry. «We are completing the jet’s testing and its mass production will be started in 2017. We are going to purchase as many vehicles as the enterprises can manufacture, because it's impossible to reach an output of 24 vehicles per year immediately. They produce four ones – we purchase four jets, they produce 10 ones – we purchase 10 fighters,” the Commander-in-Chief said.

Earlier Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov said that due to “new economic situation” the Ministry of Defense may reduce the number of purchased PAK FA fifth-generation fighters. Initially it was planned to purchase 10 PAK FA fighters and hand them over to military units for training and after that purchase another batch of 60 T-50 jets. T-50 (PAK FA) is the fifth-generation fighter fitted with a brand-new avionics suite and advanced radar with active phased antenna array.

It performed its maiden flight in January 2010 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. It was demonstrated for the first time at MAKS-2011 airshow held in Zhukovsky (Moscow Region). Three PAK FA prototypes took part in MAKS-2013 airshow: they have demonstrated formation flying. Compared to previous generation fighters PAK FA has a number of unique capabilities combining the functions of a strike-fighter and a fighter.

Components made of composites, cutting-edge technologies, the jet’s aerodynamic configuration and stealth technologies grant a very low thermal and optical signature. Stealth capabilities dramatically increase the fighter’s combat effectiveness. The jet is capable of destroying air and ground targets under any weather and lighting conditions, the company noted.
 
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Ministry of Defence
31-July, 2015 14:51 IST
Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft

India signed the Inter-Government Agreement (IGA) with Russia for co-development and co-production of Fifth Generation Fighter aircraft in October 2007. As per the IGA, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the designated implementation organisation from the Indian side. In turn, HAL is supported by Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO), Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and other Indian agencies.

HAL and Rosoboronexport of Russia have signed the General Contract in December, 2008 and the Preliminary Design Contract in December, 2010. The Preliminary Stage of the project has been completed in June, 2013. The next stage of development would commence upon signing of the Research & Development (R&D) contract.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Charanjeet Singh Rori and Smt Vanaroja R in Lok Sabha today.
 
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India signs IGA with Russia to jointly develop 5th generation fighter Aircraft | idrw.org

If Izdeliye 30 proves successful, the PAK-FA would be able to super cruise at Mach 1.5+ speeds.

Izdeliye 30 will take many years before it gets mature, so earlier Pak Fas will be powered by 117S or 117.

But we should go for FGFA.

I think India will order some Pak Fas initailly after signing agreemnet just like it ordered Su 30 Ks in limited numbers ( which had lower than expected performance) which led to order for Su 30 MKs and then Su 30 MKIs.

These early birds will come with Non 5 Gen Engines like 117S or 117.

But induction of Pak Fa will be a Game Changer for sure.
 
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India signs IGA with Russia to jointly develop 5th generation fighter Aircraft | idrw.org



Izdeliye 30 will take many years before it gets mature, so earlier Pak Fas will be powered by 117S or 117.

But we should go for FGFA.

I think India will order some Pak Fas initailly after signing agreemnet just like it ordered Su 30 Ks in limited numbers ( which had lower than expected performance) which led to order for Su 30 MKs and then Su 30 MKIs.

These early birds will come with Non 5 Gen Engines like 117S or 117.

But induction of Pak Fa will be a Game Changer for sure.

Flight trials of Izdeliye 30 is said to begin in 2017 and possible first lot of T50's with this powerplant by 2020. Obviously will trickle down to ours resulting in great up-gradation.
Am not sure if IAF would go for 117S on its earlier birds but 117 which to be replaced later by Izdeliye 30.
Test phase was suppose to be carried out with 117S (AL-41F1S) all along.
 
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Ministry of Defence
04-August, 2015 17:15 IST
Primary Design Programme for Construction of Fifth Generation Fighter Jets

The preliminary design stage of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) programme has been completed in June 2013 based on a contract signed in December 2010 with the Russian side. As per the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) signed in October 2007, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is the designated implementation organization from the Indian side. In turn, HAL is supported by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and other Indian Agencies.The expenditure incurred so far on Preliminary Design stage of FGFA programme is Rs.1483.15 crore.

The next stage of development of FGFA would commence upon signing of the Research & Development (R&D) contract. As per the draft R&D contract, the delivery of FGFA to Indian Air Force (IAF) has been envisaged to commence after 94 months from the start of the R&D contract. The contract has not been signed so far.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri KC Tyagi in Rajya Sabha today.
 
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Flight trials of Izdeliye 30 is said to begin in 2017 and possible first lot of T50's with this powerplant by 2020. Obviously will trickle down to ours resulting in great up-gradation.
Am not sure if IAF would go for 117S on its earlier birds but 117 which to be replaced later by Izdeliye 30.
Test phase was suppose to be carried out with 117S (AL-41F1S) all along.

Thanks for Info.
 
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