Su-30MKI & JF-17 Air Fight

[gambit]

SU30 vs F35?
Its rit here.
Sukhoi Flankers - The Shifting Balance of Regional Air Power

But I have been pointed out that it is Australian propaganda. Although I dont fully agree

Here is my take on just some of the Russian's claims about their junks...

The NIIP N011M BARS phased array is the most capable fighter radar produced by Russian industry and is designed to support the R-77M family of ramjet missiles.

Yes...Produced by Russian industry at about a decade too late.

The NIIP Irbis-E is an evolution of the BARS using a 20 kW ganged TWT transmitter and increases range performance significantly.

Anyone can say something like this about his product. Notice there is no contrasting figures from non-Russian equipments. Why not?

The depicted detection range curves are based on publicly disclosed Russian performance figures for co-altitude BVR engagements. It is evident that inside the 10-20 nautical miles envelope the radar will be able to challenge aircraft with quite good stealth characteristics. The curves for the Agat 9B-1103M and 9B-1348E seekers are based on the most recent Agat data release, and include the TMS320 equipped digital variant. The 9B-1101K has not been included (Author - NIIP, Phazotron, Agat data).

No...It is not so 'evident'. I would like to know how did the Russians test their junks to make this claim. They do not even have a working F-117 equivalent model while we retired the aircraft.

Now on to Mr. Kopp...

Radar

The first of these is its massive radar bay, capable of fitting a 1 metre class X-band phased array antenna. In the long range BVR combat game, radar range is a key factor and for any given radar technology, the larger the aperture the better. While the current N011M/ME BARS (Panther) and Pero (Plume) upgrades use passive array technology which delivers less peak power than competing active arrays (AESA) it is only a matter of time before NIIP and Phazotron adapt commercial GaAs MMIC technology (98% of the total GaAs chip market) to build an AESA variant competitive against the AESAs in the latest Western evolved 3rd Gen fighters.

What Kopp omitted to disclose, may be because of writing space limitation, is that having active T/R modules is only half of the AESA operation equation, the other half is the software required to fully exploit the flexibility of these T/R modules. After all, if sheer radar transmit power is the only factor in any air-air engagements, then a PESA system is fully adequate, as Kopp correctly pointed out...

With similar TR (Transmit-Receive) module performance, the fighter with the largest aperture size wins in this game - for instance the N011M has around twice the aperture size of the JSF AESA and F/A-18E/F's APG-79 and even with inferior TR module technology will be highly competitive.

In radar detection, distance and array dimension (or aperture) has a direct relationship. Large early warning radars capable of reaching out thousands of km from shore are literally in tens of meters across in antenna aperture. So yes...If the intention is to detect one's opponent as far from one's self as possible then the larger array will have the advantage.

But the reason why an Active Elect. Scan Array (AESA) is far more desirable is the fact that because each T/R module can be individually powered on/off and in clusters, an AESA antenna through a process called 'subarray partitioning' can become several antennas AT ONCE. One subarray can transmit at one freq, another subarray can be a jammer against enemy radar, another subarray can transmit in another freq, and another subarray can act as a data link to other aircrafts. All can be done at the same time. Frequency agility is when a radar will transmit in sequence different freqs to counteract ECM. Not only can an AESA system move from one freq to another, but ALL of its subarrays can perform freq. agility at the same time, making jamming a determined AESA antenna nearly impossible. As if that is not enough, a subarray's aperture can be dynamically resized as tactically needed. To prevent the subarrays from interfering each other's operations, they will be separated by a border of nontransmitting T/R modules. This capability is not possible unless there are appropriate avionics and softwares. The US is installing AESA systems into the F-15 and F-18 and here we have the Russians telling everyone that 'soon' they will be able to produce T/R modules.

 

[Arsalan]

ha ha!

nice one, but it is true that currently Su30 is the best atleast in our part of the world! this think may come to an end with PAF inducting F16 block 52 and china developing there J10 and its more advanced versoins!!

regards

 

[tutu]

ha ha!

nice one, but it is true that currently Su30 is the best atleast in our part of the world! this think may come to an end with PAF inducting F16 block 52 and china developing there J10 and its more advanced versoins!!

regards

china developing J10 ..........So.........are they going to give you that free ?

 

[Munir]

china developing J10 ..........So.........are they going to give you that free ?

For you a question. Atleast they are not robbed like IAF (Hawk prices, MKI prices and maintenance headache, Israeli parts and consultancy prices...).

It is intresting to see Indians loving to have Israeli flag... Without it they are probably nothing. Not even able to produce basic equipment.

 

[Arsalan]

For you a question. Atleast they are not robbed like IAF (Hawk prices, MKI prices and maintenance headache, Israeli parts and consultancy prices...).

It is intresting to see Indians loving to have Israeli flag... Without it they are probably nothing. Not even able to produce basic equipment.

congrats sir on having 1500 usefull and informative posts, thanks for the valuable info you have shared!!

very true, the indian are not able to do anything all on themselves.

they keep on saying all the pakistani equipment which we call indegenious are infact just chines copies! !

lets us have a look at them
they tried to make LCA and arjun all on there own and now both these projects are messed upto such a level that even foreign help has not been able to help them out!

paksiatn have been devloping manyproducts that are 100% home made! the UAVs, many guns at POF like the POF EYE, missiles and many more! also pakistan is able to make lots of products at home after ToT and assistance of our chines friends!

 

[Arsalan]

china developing J10 ..........So.........are they going to give you that free ?

dont you worry dude we will be able to BUY them, chines will also be helping us with loan payments! you must concentrate on your own MRCA, i dont think US will be giving these for free!!

 

[maverick2009]

ARSLANASLAM ..

Is correct that SU30MKI is the best in south Asia right now only because the rest in South Asia is junk including both basic F16 A/B & MIG29.

Both IAF & PAF fly 70% plus pure obselete planes like MIG21/ F7 & MIRAGE 5s
That most air forces phased out decades ago.

F16/52 will bridge the gap MASSIVELY from 2011 onwards

As for FC20 thats like 5 years away. even then PAF have only ordered 36 planes . I ASK WHY so few. ???

In 5 YEARS TIME the sub continent will probably have a AESA equipped F18SH in the ranks or even the Typhoon/Rafale.

 

[paritosh]

but then sheer numerical superiority...is important too...

 

[tutu]

dont you worry dude we will be able to BUY them, chines will also be helping us with loan payments! you must concentrate on your own MRCA, i dont think US will be giving these for free!!

like the US given you F-16 for free ?

 

[IceCold]

china developing J10 ..........So.........are they going to give you that free ?

If you have nothing constructive to add then shut up go troll some place else. Try BR.

 

[tutu]

It is intresting to see Indians loving to have Israeli flag... .

coz all KAFIRS has became united ....

 

[Owais]

coz all KAFIRS has became united ....

yea All kafirs are United but still need Muslim countries to survive. their oil is coming from Arab, their half of economy is running on export to Muslim countries, Muslims have most of shipping routes and they need countries like Pakistan to get natural resources of central asia

 

[Arsalan]

like the US given you F-16 for free ?

no one said that dude! infact i have almost always opposed this project because of unreliability of US asa an arms supplier to pakistan! you seem too much worried about pakistans procurements man! thanks for your concern but
as sir icecold have said

If you have nothing constructive to add then shut up go troll some place else. Try BR.

 

[Gucci Juice]

^

that may soon end(in 10-15 years) at least for us here in the USA, electric cars are becoming all the rage, and for regular cars algae biofuels show great potential, they wont affect world food prices, they dont use too much land, and they multiply rapidly.

that combined with replacing coal fired plants with wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, and nuclear plants.


so if the oil-producing countries dont diversify, their economies are screwed.

and dubai tried to diversify, tried to become a world city, but that's impossible with only 3 million people and a zillion skyscrapers that noone wants to live in. they need to have a sustainable diversification.

 

[Arsalan]

As for FC20 thats like 5 years away. even then PAF have only ordered 36 planes . I ASK WHY so few. ???

In 5 YEARS TIME the sub continent will probably have a AESA equipped F18SH in the ranks or even the Typhoon/Rafale.

this is perhaps due to th fact that paksitan air force is trying to diversefy its equipment!

you can see that we are flying american, chines and french planes, swedish AWACS using some weapons from south africa as well! so probably PAF alos wants to induct two different platform for its high end requirment!
also it may be case that PAF will try these jets for some time, in the mean while if we get finances for some other planes PAF might go for gripen or Rafale and if not so then option of ordering more J10 is always there!

regards!