Su-30MKI & JF-17 Air Fight

[su-47]

funny assessment..

even the american assessment on J-10 is like its a freakin 5th generation Fighter and takes it as a huge threat for it f-18 fleets.

americans assessed J-10 like a 5th gen fighter? please provide the link. in janes defence weekly last year the USAF representative had assessed J-10 around the same capability as an early model F-16, calling it a 4th gen (not 4.5 gen) fighter and implied that the main threat from J-10 would be its sheer numbers.

 

[EagleEyes]

implied that the main threat from J-10 would be its sheer numbers.

That was JF-17.

 

[su-47]

That was JF-17.

no it was the J-10. this was in that issue last year or late 2006. the issue that had china as the country of focus. i will look it up once i get home and quote the paragraph.

 

[Titanium]

Get back to the Australian assesment of SU-30:

"Modern lethal weapons render any aircraft performance measure irrelevant if it does not enable first shot," .

"The Sukhoi Su-30 is in its infancy, however it will be a worthy opponent in the next decade.

 

[EagleEyes]

Get back to the Australian assesment of SU-30:

What are you trying to say? I am unable to get a proper picture.

 

[ejaz007]

Just one question to all those comparing the two fighters. These fighters are designed for different type of requirements. SU-30 is more like an long range interceptor while JF-17 multi purpose aircraft. Then why are these two being compared?

Su-30
FC-1

Regards,

 

[Titanium]

What are you trying to say? I am unable to get a proper picture.

Basically Australian assessment is saying that you don't need "Ultra agile" aircraft in the present age of Improved Avionics and Missiles. The first one to see and shoot is all that matters.

The agile and Manuverable aircraft are a thing of the past doctrine......

 

[su-47]

Basically Australian assessment is saying that you don't need "Ultra agile" aircraft in the present age of Improved Avionics and Missiles. The first one to see and shoot is all that matters.

The agile and Manuverable aircraft are a thing of the past doctrine......

please share this piece of wisdom with the USAF. they are, after all, stupid enough to put TVC on Raptor.

 

[Titanium]

please share this piece of wisdom with the USAF. they are, after all, stupid enough to put TVC on Raptor.

Do you have No of the concerned Guy/Gal??

You should consider the timeline of Raptor design;

Also, have you wonder why the same TVC not present in F-35

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

Also, have you wonder why the same TVC not present in F-35

F 35 is will be the primary strike fighter meaning it will play the primary role of ground attack with good airdefence capability, However the Raptor is an airdominance fighter with secondary ground attack role , so comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges

 

[Malang]

Do you have No of the concerned Guy/Gal??
You should consider the timeline of Raptor design;
Also, have you wonder why the same TVC not present in F-35

F22 is a stealth craft optimised as a fighter it sacrifices range and storage capacity for maneuverability and speed etc. (IMO)
F35 is a stealth craft optimised as a strike fighter it sacrifices maneuverability, speed etc. for stores and range(IMO)

btw Russians are the whizkids of TVC design and Americans are the geniuses at Stealth.. each exploits one's strengths...

 

[Titanium]

F22 is a stealth craft optimised as a fighter it sacrifices range and storage capacity for maneuverability and speed etc. (IMO)
F35 is a stealth craft optimised as a strike fighter it sacrifices maneuverability, speed etc. for stores and range(IMO)

Every one knows what they are for to USAF as well as partner nations.

You should know the Manvreability is as much valued in strike platform, now that SAM Missiles capable of shooting down even a cruise missile and UAV.

btw Russians are the whizkids of TVC design and Americans are the geniuses at Stealth.. each exploits one's strengths...

Oh Russians are good at somethings, no doubt. But if west had reason to belive TVC is penacca, I am sure they would have embraced it as they embraced HMS.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

You should know the Manvreability is as much valued in strike platform, now that SAM Missiles capable of shooting down even a cruise missile and UAV

That is where stealth alnong with ecm play a role for F 35.

 

[Titanium]

That is exactly why u should read, before replying

 

[su-47]

Do you have No of the concerned Guy/Gal??

You should consider the timeline of Raptor design;

Also, have you wonder why the same TVC not present in F-35

The raptor is given TVC coz the USAF determined that a air superiority fighter needs excellent manouverability as well good avionics and stealth if it is to dominate the airspace.

if manouverability was not important, the USAF might as well load 30 AMRAAMs onto a B1 and call it an air superiority fighter. Put a large AESA radar on it and it would be able to spot enemy fighters at incredible ranges, and get the first shot. also, lancer has reduced RCS and its large size will enable a lot of radar jammers to be installed on it. Then why is it that USAF doesnt use the lancer for air superiority?

the answer is that even in BVR era manouverability matters. the ranges you see on missiles (like 120 km range for AIM 120-C5) is for a head-on shot against a non-manouvering target. if shot at a manouvering target moving away, the range actually falls to around 1/4th of the stated range. this is why manouverability matters. it reduces the no-escape zone of enemy missiles.