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Stealth frigate INS Sahyadri enters Da Nang port in Vietnam

You mean onboard INS Sahyadri? o_O

I mean on Indian naval ships. Kolkatta class and INS Vikramaditya the most important ships. It shall be installed on all ships in phased manner.
 
I mean on Indian naval ships. Kolkatta class and INS Vikramaditya the most important ships. It shall be installed on all ships in phased manner.
How does it matter in these thread of INS Shivalik class frigate? It will still stick with an obsoleted slanted/rail launcher.
 
That is terrible compare to VLS :D Not to mention, rail launcher jammed and all the remaining missile can kiss good bye! :D

The 12 second per launch is for old shtil on the delhi class now being replaced by VLS shtil-1 with 1-2 sec launch.
Talwars and shivalik have shtil-1 arm launcher with 6 second launch-still less than optimal.Talwars are getting refitted with VLS now.

Is Barak 8 install onboard INS Sahyadri? Can Russian VLS interchange between installing SAM, ASROC or cruise missile within the same cell? I dont see the point of installing many same type of weapon within one cell. End of the day, your mission profile will be very limited. It will limited to just anti-air role.

Completely wrong.Shivalik class has very verstaile armament mix.
Its far superior in ASW role than type 054 as it has 2 types of sonars,heavyweight 533 mm torpedoes with much more standoff range(45-50km) than 324 mm torpedoes of type 054(7-10km range) and most of all 2 heavy ASW helicopters.
It also has higher speed which allows tracking of high speed nuke subs or escorting CBG at full speed.

Its also superior in surface warfare due to brahmos being much better missile.

In anti-air role type 054a HQ-16 VLS is much better than shtil arm launcher against saturation attack.But shivalik has 56 missiles due to 32 barak-1s for dealing with sea skimmers.So barak-1 covers weakness against saturation attacks as its VLS capable of rapid ripple fire.
Thus calling it has limited mission profile is laughable.

Type 054A is most comparable to talwar class,to which its better in AA role due to VLS shtil ,but that advantage is currently ending as these ships are getting fitted with VLS shtil-1.
In surface warfare talwar has advantage due to brahmos -second batch had brahmos fitted from start.First batch getting klubs replaced,after MOD passed decision to refit delhi and talwar first batch with brahmos,shtil-1.
 
Are you sure? RBU 6000 is one of the few systems that provides an ASW hard kill capability. So it is not just close in anti-sub weapon. In that role, there are gravitational homing variants available. I believe it can also double as launcher for decoys, chaff rounds etc. It can also be used as a shore bombardment system. Reloading is automatic, with individual rounds being fed into the launcher by the 60UP loading system from a below deck magazine. Typical magazine capacity is either 72 or 96 rounds (i.e. 6-8 full reloads) per launcher. It can also be used as a shore bombardment system. What other system offers such flexibility?
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RBU-6000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whoa there, what is wrong with RBU 6000, it is a very good system.

My poor choice of words have got you guys misunderstood what I meant .

I am not proposing to dump the RBU rockets but what I am saying is that the launch barrels of this system like the Shtil arm launcher is a negative feature ..... sticks out like a sore thump .... contributing to the RCS as well I think .... even in the P17A design .

Is there any VLS version of this system avaliable ?? or atleast a version where the launch barrels retracts into the deck ??
 
it is planned to do some "peaceful" drills in the SC Sea between the two Navies.

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Example of (unbuilt) Soviet design, with 4 single rail launcher modules: project 11990. By the looks of it, this has 10 Orekh radar directors for missile guidance.
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Another variatino has 3 launchers and 8 missile directors.
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RBU 6000 also has to go .... it is also a bad feature IMO ...... Is there any VLS version of these rockets ??

Look at the below image ..... replacing both the Shtil and RBU with VLS versions will make the deck more clean .

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RBU is a very versatile and potent system.With both guided and rocket assisted depth charges.
Its not just short range ASW weapon,its vital as anti-torpedo weapon.Its a solid weapon for shallow water ops like in arabian sea.IN is said to be 'very satisfied' with the weapon.

The only clearly superior alternative is the Paket-Nk Anti-subamrine torpedo system.This is a 330 mm light torpedo system that can engage submarines at small ranges upto 10 km but more importantly kill incoming torpedoes thus fulfilling RBUs 2 most important functions at greater ranges and more accuracy.Moreover the torpedo system will be mounted on sides of the ship,clearing up deck space for more VLS cells.

However its the latest ASW system from russia still under testing,first live test conducted this year.And only installed in russia's most modern stereguschy class frigate/corvette.So i'm skeptical if it will be available for export soon.
 
In June 1977, by the order of the Navy Command the ship Project 1144.2 was re-classified as the Heavy Nuclear Missile Cruiser. When the first 1144 (Kirov) was already on the slip, an attempt was made to separate Anti-Air, Anti-Submarine escort and surface strike functions once again, starting design of nuclear escort 11990 and nuclear strike cruiser 12930. The 12930 was a quite short lived, with preference given to the conventionally powered 1164 instead.

Project 11990 Anchar had much longer life-span, although on paper only, before it was eventually cancelled in 1990. At 12,000 tons, Anchar was envisaged to escort the future nuclear propulled Orel-class Soviet aircraft carriers. Anchar was entrusted to the engineers V. Perevalov and V. Yukhnin, even if the true father of the project was always Admiral Gorshkov. New anti-aircraft missiles and ASM with vertical launching, and a new turret of 130mm were developed. The propullsion system was original: gas turbines for cruising and a nuclear reactor for high speed. Abandoned up in 1990, at the same time as the Ulyanovs aircraft carrier, Anchar was used as a basis for a study of two classes of future general-purpose ships, which projects were announced on the occasion of the centenary of the Russian navy in 1996, the Squandron Ship and and the "Universal Ship".
Project 1144 Orlan - History

By comparison, the US Mk13 and M22 GMLS

Mk 13 Mod 4 Weight Data
Existing capability . . . . . . . . . . . . . Any mix of Standard-1 (MR), HARPOON
and Standard-1 (MR) Block VI Standard-2 (MR)
Reaction time (SM1) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7.35 seconds
Continuous salvo rate (SM1) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8.09 seconds
Ready service complement. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 missiles

Mk 22 Mod 0 Weight Data
Existing capability . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Any mix of Standard-1 (MR)
and Standard-1A (MR)
Reaction time (SM1) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8.44 seconds
Continuous salvo rate (SM1) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 weapons/minute [ < i.e. about 8.57 sec to reload ]
Ready service complement. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 missiles

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk13-gmls.pdf

During continuous launching operations, the system is capable, under ideal conditions, of a
successive firing rate of (1) Standard missiles at 10-second intervals and (2) Harpoon missiles at about 22-second intervals. This action continues until a cease-fire order is given or the missile capacity (excluding the GMTR) of the magazine is exhausted.
http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Weapons/NAVEDTRA_14109_Ch7-8.pdf see page 7-4

For the twin arm Mk26 GMLS (one of the - if not the - fastest rail launching systems around)

A firing rate of two missiles approximately every 9 seconds (with a 1-second salvo time delay) can be maintained.
http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Weapons/NAVEDTRA_14109_Ch7-8.pdf
see page 7-23

both ships capable of 533mm launched SS-N-15 'Starfish' and SS-N-16 'Stallion' ASW missiles. The UVLM is capable to interchange between Brahmos and Klub-N
1) Because they have 533mm torpedo tubes?
2) However, there is no indication or record of India acquiring either RPK-2 (a 1960s system)or Vyuga RPK-6 Vodopad (the successor 1080s system). So, in the absence of such materials, they are not so armed (even if they had 533mm torpedo tubes ... ;-).

You can go google how many Type054A frigate commission before you purposely used the word "most' :D
Count the 053 frigates, and Luda's.

I didn't answer any of your question. And you keep giving irrelevant info non regarding to this thread to try prove what point? We are talking abt apple and you give orange? :D
Sure. I didn't ask any question.

These are just concept. Nothing realistic has happen from Russia. How many has tested? How many has installed onboard? None... :rolleyes1:
Sure . I think that demonstrates enough about you knowledge. See Steregushy, Gorshkov, Grigorovich classes
 
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Count the 053 frigates, and Luda's.

Once again irrelevant to your "most" assumption. Shtil slanted launcher is only used onboard 4 Chinese Sov and 2 Type 052B destroyer vs 17 commission Type054A using Chinese VLS. I am wondering your "most" how do they come abt? Maybe you have some calculation mishap or biased view? I do know you are a IN lover and hated PLAN advancement to core. A poor sourgraped you are. :D

The 12 second per launch is for old shtil on the delhi class now being replaced by VLS shtil-1 with 1-2 sec launch.
Talwars and shivalik have shtil-1 arm launcher with 6 second launch-still less than optimal.Talwars are getting refitted with VLS now.

When your Talwar class completed refit then we have a good talk again. Please do not take about things that not hatch yet. That is always a problem with Indians. :D
 
When your Talwar class completed refit then we have a good talk again. Please do not take about things that not hatch yet. That is always a problem with Indians. :D

Parrikar Clears Proposals for Defence Procurement Worth Rs 30,000 Crore -The New Indian Express

Proposal cleared in july for shtil-1 VLS and new sensors and process begun already.Don't worry by next year you will see yourself.You once challenged me kolkata class destroyer won't be inducted in 2014,but not only was it inducted now we have 2 and another next year.

Nod to new aircraft carrier, BrahMos missiles for six ships - News

Even before in May green signal given for refitting delhi and talwars with brahmos.:D
 
Parrikar Clears Proposals for Defence Procurement Worth Rs 30,000 Crore -The New Indian Express

Proposal cleared in july for shtil-1 VLS and new sensors and process begun already.Don't worry by next year you will see yourself.You once challenged me kolkata class destroyer won't be inducted in 2014,but not only was it inducted now we have 2 and another next year.

Yup, it commission with a half baked capabilities like lacking a LRSAM that it needed to defend its fleet especially an aircraft carrier. :lol:
 
Yup, it commission with a half baked capabilities like lacking a LRSAM that it needed to defend its fleet especially an aircraft carrier. :lol:

Lolz,LRSAM integrated now and range increased to 100 kms.Barak-8 is way better than anything PLAN could dream of as far as naval SAM is concerned.
Do be here when its launched from kolkata this month.:D
 
Yup, it commission with a half baked capabilities like lacking a LRSAM that it needed to defend its fleet especially an aircraft carrier. :lol:

Indian comparison with other countries is always about what India will do, not what it can do now.
 

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