Southern Han Chinese and their relationship with the Baiyue

[EastSea]

According to the history of Dai Viet, this is your territory Van Lang.

In ancient time period of Hong Bang Thi and Xich Quy, before 3,000 year BCE, Tonkin Delta is under sea level.

Kinh Duong Vuong and Xich Quy was in mainland of South China, including Lingnan and south of Dongding lake.

Lịch sử Việt Nam – Wikipedia tiếng Việt

 

[sincity]

China and Viet Nam no longer have land dispute but only sea dispute, what the point to discuss the history of China and Viet Nam. The map already draw up and accept by both country no reason to further debate this subject. India and China still have land dispute therefore the history of India and China more relevance.

 

[jkroo]

According to the Viet Ultra-Nationalists, Yi Jing was a Viet invention, while Kongfuzi copied the idea from the Viet.

So I think some VN people would like to share a brief point of view with a fellow countryman of China like me so that I can learn more about our neighbor. From an educational or a religous point of view. Study Confucius and Yi Jing will always do good to people.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

that is the root of all the problems, you misunderstand the intention of Vietnam.
we follow Chinese model and adopt it in Vietnam, not to displace, neither replace China. East Asia is not our focus.

the Viet emperors paid tributes to the Han as a sign of submission. When VN stepped out of its own border, we mainly wanted to restore peace and public order in the region.

We already got our lesson from Japan, so we have to be careful with those ambitious small Asian tigers.

Who knows if you guys will bite us if we are getting weak.

Meanwhile most of you Viet members here took Japan as your role model, it is even getting more suspicious here about your initial intention.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Both Fuchai and Goujian may not be "Chinese". Not only that the ancient Yangtzu river Chu kingdom 楚国 may not be "Chinese". The Chinese historical text say 楚子荆蛮， （Chu are barbarian）, 南蛮鸟舌之人 (talk like a bird, meaning the language is quite different). That was BC300.

Even Sichuan is very non Chinese at relatively late stage，AD300. There is 7 campaign by Zhuge Liang 诸葛亮 against the "barbarian"。

Yunnan is very non Chinese until today.

 

[Viet]

According to the Viet Ultra-Nationalists, Yi Jing was a Viet invention, while Kongfuzi copied the idea from the Viet.

another Chinese propaganda

 

[EastSea]

According to the Viet Ultra-Nationalists, Yi Jing was a Viet invention, while Kongfuzi copied the idea from the Viet.

You can discuss with Korean forumers. very sad that member with the nick Korean is banned.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

nothing to avoid here, it is the debate in English, not in Chinese.

King Goujian of Yue State defeated Fuchai's King of Wu state and united Wu Yue the first kingdom of Bai Yue people in their history. He should been called as Emperor of WuYue. This story is similar to GiaLong Emperor who united Vietnam, in English he is called as Gia Long Emperor of Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam.

and more, WuYue had something to do with Vietnam in ancient time when King Goujian ordered envoy to Hung King to establish the ally to counter King Fuchai of Wu. Its reported by Đại Việt sử lược (大越史略),

This Van Lang has nothing to do with the Van Lang from Vietnam, but Yue State of Goujian, since they always called themselves Van Lang.

You can discuss with Korean forumers. very sad that member with the nick Korean is banned.

Korea is just another delusional country who dreams to become as big as China one day.

It is a waste of time to talk with these people.

In ancient time period of Hong Bang Thi and Xich Quy, before 3,000 year BCE, Tonkin Delta is under sea level.

Kinh Duong Vuong and Xich Quy was in mainland of South China, including Lingnan and south of Dongding lake.

Lịch sử Việt Nam – Wikipedia tiếng Việt

Vietnam's Van Lang is from North Vietnam, while the Van Lang from South China Yue State of Goujian, it has nothing to do with Vietnam.

 

[EastSea]

Both Fuchai and Goujian may not be "Chinese". Not only that the ancient Yangtzu river Chu kingdom 楚国 may not be "Chinese". The Chinese historical text say 楚子荆蛮， （Chu are barbarian）, 南蛮鸟舌之人 (talk like a bird, meaning the language is quite different). That was BC300.

Even Sichuan is very non Chinese at relatively late stage，AD300. There is 7 campaign by Zhuge Liang 诸葛亮 against the "barbarian"。

Yunnan is very non Chinese until today.

so why I said that 92% of China population is Han in one ethnicity group, its wrong.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

so why I said that 92% of China population is Han in one ethnicity group, its wrong.

Goujian said he is Van Lang, but he wants to become Hua Xia, so you can't force him to against his will.

 

[Viet]

Both Fuchai and Goujian may not be "Chinese". Not only that the ancient Yangtzu river Chu kingdom 楚国 may not be "Chinese". The Chinese historical text say 楚子荆蛮， （Chu are barbarian）, 南蛮鸟舌之人 (talk like a bird, meaning the language is quite different). That was BC300.

Even Sichuan is very non Chinese at relatively late stage，AD300. There is 7 campaign by Zhuge Liang 诸葛亮 against the "barbarian"。

Yunnan is very non Chinese until today.

not surprisingly.

the history of China is a history of conquest, being conquested and assimilation. If theoretically China invades the Philippines today, occupies it and integrates into China. After the Pinoys become sinized, they are Chinese tomorrow.

barbarian today Chinese tomorrow. lol

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

not surprisingly.

the history of China is a history of conquest, being conquested and assimilation. If theoretically China invades the Philippines today, occupies it and integrates into China. After the Pinoys become sinized, they are Chinese tomorrow.

barbarian today Chinese tomorrow. lol

Bad example, since China never wants to fully sinicize Vietnam and Korea.

 

[EastSea]

This Van Lang has nothing to do with the Van Lang from Vietnam, but Yue State of Goujian, since they always called themselves Van Lang.



Korea is just another delusional country who dreams to become as big as China one day.

It is a waste of time to talk with these people.



Vietnam's Van Lang is from North Vietnam, while the Van Lang from South China Yue State of Goujian, it has nothing to do with Vietnam.

But our history book Đại Việt sử lược (chữ Hán: 大越史略), it said that Van lang is in Lingnan and south of Dongding lake.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

But our history book Đại Việt sử lược (chữ Hán: 大越史略), it said that Van lang is in Lingnan and south of Dongding lake.

The area around Dongting Lake is the homeland of Mao Zedong, didn't know he is also a Viet, lol.

 

[EastSea]

This Van Lang has nothing to do with the Van Lang from Vietnam, but Yue State of Goujian, since they always called themselves Van Lang.

Its very interesting.

The area around Dongting Lake is the homeland of Mao Zedong, didn't know he is also a Viet, lol.

He is Xiang in original, not Han and Viet. LoL