Joe Shearer
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@ joe:
I too know abt Alaudin Khilji and his general Malik Khafur...wat i meant was the Tamils were defeated in battles but were never subjugated completely until the British came.
And its not Tanjore..its the Madurai Nayaks and they were not completely marathas...but Maratha intermingling with Tamils and a political alliance taking place.
Dear Sir,
You are wrong again, on both counts.
Apart from Alauddin Khalji and Malik Kafur, Aurangzeb appointed the first Nawabs of the Carnatic, and before you jump to the erroneous conclusion that the territory was Karnataka, it was what later would be called the Madras Presidency and the territory of the Nizam put together. To be exact, the boundaries were as follows:
The old province known as the Carnatic, in which Madras (Chennai) was situated, extended from the Krishna river to the Coleroon, and was bounded on the West by Cuddapah, Salem and Dindigul, all of which formed part of the State of Mysore. The Northern portion was known as the Mughal Carnatic, the Southern the Maharatta Carnatic with the Maharatta frontier fortress being Gingee. Carnatic, the name commonly given to the region of Southern India between the Eastern Ghats and the Coromandel Coast and the Western Ghats, extends from Palghat to Bidar and stretches from the Guntur district of Andhra Pradesh in the North, to Cape Comorin at the Southern-most tip of Tamil Nadu State.
Just to complete the point before going on to the next, this is from Wikipedia, and if you dislike Wikipedia and want an English text book of history, you can try Percival Spear, or Nilakantha Shastri:
...The Nawabdom of the Carnatic controlled a vast territory south of the Krishna river. The Nawab Saadetullah of (1710-1732) moved his court from Gingee to Arcot. His successor Dost Ali (1732-1740) conquered and annexed Madurai in 1736.
Saadatullah was the second Nawab, not the first.
Muhammad Ali Wallajah (1749 - 1795 ) was freed from his suzerainty and made the independent ruler of the Carnatic by the Mughal emperor in 1765. His rule was long and mostly peaceful. He donated generously to Churches, Temples and Mosques. The temple at Sri Rangam was one which benefited from his generosity.
Coming to your point about the Madurai Nayaks, the reason why I display bad temper when you are concerned is your absolute certainty about facts about which you have no clue. Yet you insist that whatever you have picked up from reading Kalki is history.
About the Marathas at Tanjore for instance: surely even you should have visited Tanjore at least once in your life. Have you not looked around and seen the evidence that the Maharaja's family were Marathas? I don't expect you to know that it was a cadet branch of the Bhonsle family to which Shivaji Chhatrapati belonged; but at least you might have picked up the elementary information that the princes were Maratha? Read on:
The most prominent member of the clan was Shivaji, the founder of the Maratha empire. His successors ruled as maharajas from their capital at Satara, although de facto rule of the empire passed to the Peshwas, the Marathas' hereditary chief ministers, during the reign of Shahu I.
In addition to the Bhonsle Maharajas of Satara, rulers of the Bhonsle clan established themselves at Nagpur and Kolhapur in modern-day Maharashtra in the 18th century. The Bhonsle of Thanjavur were descendants of Sivaji's step-brother Venkoji, while the Bhonsle of Satara and Kolhapur were descended from Sivaji's sons, Sambhaji and Rajaram.
Please go to Tanjore and see for yourself. Next to the big temple, there is the royal palace, today a museum. Just look around for half an hour. It will educate you on the matter.
Sincerely,