shall the burqa be banned??

[flamer84]

The only logical reason I get about the ban of burqa is the security risk
Now I have not heard of security risk of burqa anywhere in Europe. No incident has ever taken place under the veil so it is illogical to think like that. It is just a personal agenda to impose your own version of liberalism by snatching away the freedom of others.

The burqa snatches my personal freedom of living in a liberal society,according to my own rules,on my own lands.

 

[Dubious]

What personal remark ?!?

Many muslim countries treat religious minorities far worse than Europeans,let's not go there pls.

I put the personal remark in bold.....

Well I am comparing the hypocrisy of people voicing out for Islamic countries where 100% of the law makers are Muslims but not voicing out against the 0% of European law makers ...how can they judge when they dont know what it is at all? How can they pass a law on something they dont know?

 

[flamer84]

The nuns also wear a tent...and mind you if you call a nun a pious woman...then why not the attempt by a Burqa woman? Hypocrisy?

Not a full face covering,as allready stated.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Yes it does....and if 1 interprets them as burqa...who are we to object? esp when that is our part to do while the bastard male dont lower their gaze as their part...

Interpretation that is the main issue here. Wearing Burqa doesn't make anyone a terrorist but what I'm saying is that it doesn't fit in with European culture. Maybe I should turn up at my next interview in Kameez shalwar because i am more religious and want to look religious.

 

[dil_dil]

To me seem like people opposing are giving exemples which are only applicable in 3rd world countries like Pakistan.

 

[Dubious]

snatches my personal freedom of living in a liberal society,according to my own rules,on my own lands.

The ones wearing burqa in Europe are also European so why should the law side you and not them who are also Europeans? What about their personal freedom to choose what to wear? and the very fact they are in Europe is cozwere just born there, most are 4th generation! They didnt choose to be born in Europe!


How about if you were not allowed to wear shorts in summer or jeans in winter only pants?

How about someone dictated what you should wear?

 

[Hyde]

What personal remark ?!?

Many muslim countries treat religious minorities far worse than Europeans,let's not go there pls.

What you are saying has nothing to do with this thread

Some so-called liberals want girls to take off their cloth in the name of freedom. From what I heard during the childhood is that freedom means you have the desire to do everything. Some people denounce it as security risk, but that is only questionable if multiple incidents has taken place within the land. I am not aware of a single incident taking place in Europe specifically where the burqa is banned. It's just a campaign to set and justify personal ego

 

[flamer84]

I put the personal remark in bold.....

Well I am comparing the hypocrisy of people voicing out for Islamic countries where 100% of the law makers are Muslims but not voicing out against the 0% of European law makers ...how can they judge when they dont know what it is at all? How can they pass a law on something they dont know?

Justice is some time refered as the "blind lady"...not sure of what you're talking about...

You shouldn't be tired,muslim countries are much,much more intolerant to religious minorities than European ones.We can't even compare.When we start to act like muslim countries you can start harping at the hypocrisy thingy.

 

[Metanoia]

Do not confuse Burka with covering the FACE altogether.

Burka's responsibility is only from shoulders downwards....As long as the face and facial features are visible why would someone infringe on such a basic right?

 

[flamer84]

What you are saying has nothing to do with this thread

Some so-called liberals want girls to take off their cloth in the name of freedom. From what I heard during the childhood is that freedom means you have the desire to do everything. Some people denounce it as security risk, but that is only questionable if multiple incidents has taken place within the land. I am not aware of a single incident taking place in Europe specifically where the burqa is banned. It's just a campaign to set and justify personal ego

I don't understand why some of you take it to extremes.Banning a burqa doesn't mean switching to bikinis.There's plenty of non revealing clothes out there and nobody is banning them,especially head scarves.Burqa offends us,what's so hard to understand...are we supposed to put up with everything after opening our countries ? Don't we get a say in nothing anymore ?

 

[Dubious]

it doesn't fit in with European culture.

What fits? Pry do tell? Japanese culture fits? These are European clothing according to "culture"

Balarus:

Swedish:

Traditional:

Romanian:

vs what people wear now...How did that slip into "cultural norms"??

 

[Jaanbaz]

vs what people wear now...How did that slip into "cultural norms"??

Still none of them are covering their faces.

 

[Dubious]

common knowledge

Who spread it? Just coz I wanna be half naked everyone has to be so?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Dont know others but for me ...post 2 has summarized it very well...

I agree with her...When you look at a woman, 1000 things go in your head- its natural.

We have people staring at the eyes, ears, hair and other body parts...It is either admiring it or taking notes and stuff....

Now when a woman is properly covered (lets just include no niqaab just loose clothes and all other criteria) vs a Western dress woman in a tight shirt a big neckline + tights or tight skirt.....

Which one will you concentrate on listening to what she has to say over what she looks like?

Whose talk will you be listening to than admiring or criticizing her looks?

These are questions that pop in my mind...I live in this west and many a time a girl bends down and shows everything, being a lady I am appalled I cant imagine how men react?

And then there are women with a barrel shape and wearing the tightest dresses on the planet...Seriously how can anyone think of what they are saying and not 2-3 words of shock along the lines of what the hell is that ...

I completely agree with ALL that you are implying. My only objection to the burqa is the way in which it is worn in the west, and the fact that is scares people and it is a culture shock for them. I am not again the burqa itself or women wanting to cover up.

I can understand why Pakistani women want to wear it, I know them well enough and I've known a lady or two who wears it when she leaves her home. But the fact of the matter is, here in the West, it may not be wise to wear it when reasons other than it's own purposes are considered.

I'm not going to even talk about the security and all sorts which are all valid concerns, not just the security of other people, but the security of the women themselves.

I don't ever see a day where this would be welcomed in the UK, you expressed your shock at a barrel shape woman wearing tight clothes, I can relate to that sort of shock, but the same kind of shock, in fact a worse and more scary shock is experienced by locals who see women in large groups wearing this. These are troubled times we live in anyway.

This is one of the reasons I think it should not be banned, but women who wear it should consider not to. If my wife, mother, daughter or sister wanted to wear this, (obviously I would not force anything) I would definitely say that it is not necessary given the place we live, given the people around, it will ultimately be their decision. The problem I observe with many Pakistanis is the lack of willingness to accept or comply rules and way of life that are outside of their own, sometimes it's condemnation of anything alien, some Brits do it too, it's natural. But just because we have a freedom to do something and perhaps something to be gained, should we do it.

Some Sikhs are free to wear kirpan (a dagger in compliance with religion) but even the most devout probably don't wear it on them in the streets of London, especially not in view, it would scare the crap out of people and make them worried. Sometimes it's wise not to take advantage of your freedoms for the sake of others, that's truly what a multicultural society is. If Brits can accommodate Muslim women covering up, maybe we should also keep in mind the customs of the places we live and the concerns of the people.

My honest question to men:

When there are pix of women (only the face revealed) on this very forum....Many guys turn from a human to a wolf....It is a fact now if that woman was talking or saying something lets say educational or technical how many will stop admiring her hair, pretty face, sexy voice and listen to the information she is giving out?

This is only for the face I havent talked about a full length pix of a woman....showing her curves and wearing half of any dress possible?

Please be honest!

I wouldn't, that's me personally, my subconscious is a wild animal, but one I like to keep in a separate room somewhere on sedatives. If I do have some innate reactions, I do not act upon them, many Muslim men (I noticed this walking to my local mosque on Friday) have developed this intriguing reaction to some things. I don't know if this is only a Ramadan specific phenomenon. These friends of mine have are like any men, immature, like their banter, talk a lot about football and politics, all unmarried. A young lady walked along the same path of the road along us, usually they are looking around, eye balling everything and staring at people who even stare back, in this instance I saw all of them immediately look away at focus elsewhere and eventually cross the street (you know how narrow some of the pedestrian ways are here).

So while I agree that all men have an instinct to this sort of thing, not all have to act upon these instincts, that's in our control.

 

[flamer84]

What fits? Pry do tell? Japanese culture fits? These are European clothing according to "culture"

Balarus:

Swedish:

Traditional:

Romanian:

vs what people wear now...How did that slip into "cultural norms"??

The last picture seems Hungarian.


Everything goes.............................................................................................except the burqa.We're 99.99% tolerant,i like those numbers.Let the rest of the world reach this,and we can negociate from there.