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Cholas, Maratha and Britain were never representative of "India". In that case all of Genghis' Khan's land is also rightfully China's :o: Unlike the Qing, which was founded as a multi-ethnic nation and signed off to the Republic, which was overtaken by the People's Republic, both of which are the multi-ethnic successors to the Qing.

And late 1400s/early 1500s is Qing Era? That's news to me. And who said I was Han? Guess which party the Aboriginals in Taiwan vote most strongly for?

But Chinese see Qing Empire as the basis of the foundation of Republic of China even though the KMT never had control over many parts of former Qing empire territory like Tibet, even the CCP see same Qing Empire as the foundation of modern China. So, on what basis are you trying to distribute wisdom to us. :omghaha::omghaha:
 
Nor did you dirtbags ever have control of South Tibet before you invaded in 1950 :omghaha::omghaha:

It's not about "Chinese see" it's about the Qing officially and legally abdicating for the Republic. No one ever recognized an independent Tibet. A large number of Tibetans threw their lot in with the Republic, fought on the side of China during WW2, and the Lhasa administration was in negotiations with the KMT.
 
Does this stop even a single act of racial violence against Northeast Indians? Has it helped stopped the flow of illegals from neighboring regions into their homelands? Does it change the fact that the occupation of these lands completely ignores justice? Be honest, it doesn't.

Racism happens everywhere - India is not an exception - Secondly as far as the illegal immigration is concerned the Border Security force has done what all it could have done to stop the same and this has produced considerable outcomes over these years - illegal migration from Bangladesh has come down as close to 75 per cent of border area has been fenced till now - they are shooting down those illegal immigrants at every possible instance and this has significantly affected our bilateral relations with Bangladesh - the rest all depends on the political leadership which is good for nothing in India - let the new government come with Modi as the PM - we will come to see more news like this - Delhi building a new Berlin Wall to keep out its Bangladeshi neighbors.

Illegal migration from Bangladesh is on slide: BSF DG
Fortress India
Border Security Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you call the integration of Sikkim which in fact is duly recognized by the Chinese government as well as a sovereign part of India then we will have to refer to Tibet as an illegally occupied land of China - completely ignores justice? Be honest, it doesn't.

First you said the NE people have no say in their own administration now when you lost that debate you are randomly jumping from one issue to another for the sake of your propaganda! Go get a break! so much of India obsession is not good for health!
 

India building a wall which opens to let illegal indians flooding into Bangladesh.

BD 5th remittance source of India

DESPITE India's so-called regional superpower status and Bangladesh's tiny economic outlook, one may believe it or not but Bangladesh is now the fifth largest remittance earning source for India. A Bangalore based magazine has disclosed that expatriate Indians working in Bangladesh have successfully drained away US$ 3,716 million alone last year as half a million Indians are now working in Bangladesh; mostly in the readymade garment industry and in NGOs'. While most Indian media and politicians are continuously making the point that India is inundated by illegal migrants from Bangladesh, the report in Silicon India showed that the reverse is actually true . It tells us that it is not only the richer countries but Bangladesh also which is providing employment to the bulk of Indians and they are sending a overwhelming flow of remittance to their homes. The report mentioned about scores of illegal immigrants from the Indian states of West Bengal, Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura and Mizoram who have entered Bangladesh and joined the job market. The Indian central government's documents also confirmed the fact as per the news report. As we see, the World Bank figure showed that India earned the highest value of remittances in the world. It earns US$ 71 billion annually followed by China which earns $60 billion. It is indeed surprising that Bangladesh rests in the list of India's top remittance sources along with the world's top developed nations.

According to descending order of earning, Bangladesh stands fifth among India's top remittance providers only next to UAE, USA, KSA and UK. Last year Bangladesh provided 5 percent of the total remittance earnings of India which had a eight times larger population and a 23 times larger landmass. Estimations suggest that the rising flow of remittance will only exponentially increase in the near future.

We know in an age of free trade and mobility of capital it is very natural that the two countries with a long shared border and economic potentials will reciprocally share their resources to develop the region. But, it does not take an economist to know that India only believes in one-way traffic and it wants to be at the receiving end. Apart from regular killings, rapes, intimidation and torture of unarmed people on the high rise barbed border, Bangladeshis' are clearly not getting similar treatment from India when it comes about job opportunities or duty free export access into the Indian market.

India's exports to Bangladesh are now around $10 billion including remittances while our exports to India now stands at around $600 million. This is definitely not the win-win situation and can only be compared with a colonial trading system.

The breaking of the news by the Indian magazine has come as an eye opener to the nation and we suggest that the government take a review of the situation to apprise the nation of the reality in the ground. We don't know about the employers and the internal police verification system. We don't know how Bangladesh Bank is monitoring transfer of money by Indian expatriates. Some politicians may compromise, but the nation must take hold of its affairs.

BD 5th remittance source of India - The New Nation
 
Sikkim- A History of Indian Conspirator Role-1975 by D.R. Prasai

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Dirgha Raj Prasai

Nepal 7 August 2013. The Sikkim's people are offended and suffering by the conspirator policy of RAW 1973-1975, whose notorious activities became suicidal for Sikkimese people. Since 1975, Sikkim has lost its sovereignty. From the very beginning, Sikkim was sovereign country. Sikkim's Sovereignty had End by Indian's Conspirator Role 1975. Nobody can forget the history of conspirator incident and evidences on Sikkim.
In 1975, Sikkim’s Prime Minister “appealed” to the Indian Parliament for representation and change of Sikkim's status to a state of India. In April 1975 the Indian army moved into Sikkim, seizing the capital city of Gangtok, disarming the Palace Guards and putting the Chogyal under house arrest. A “referendum” was held in which 97.5% [?] of the votes cast (or counted!) agreed to join the Indian Union. China did not recognize India’s occupation of Sikkim. Until 2003, which led to an improvement in the Sino-Indian relations? In return, India announced its official recognition of Tibet as an integrated part of China.


The Chogyal never renounced his throne and hoped till the end that justice would win. The Kingdom which had defended its independence for 300 years against powerful neighbors was annexed by India in April 1975 and became the 22nd state of the Indian Union. The 85th birthday of the 12th Chogyal of Sikkim gives me the opportunity to focus on the fate of the tiny Himalaya Kingdom. Chogyal Palden Thondup Namgyal, Twelfth Consecrated Ruler of Sikkim, was born in Sikkim’s capital Gangtok on 22nd May 1923.

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King Chogya & PM Neharu

The Denzong Chogyal was the second son of the late illustrious Chogyal Sir Tashi Namgyal, who will always be remembered as Sikkim’s gracious, enlightened and benevolent ruler. In 1935 he continued his studies at St. Joseph’s College, Darjeeling, and completed his studies at Bishop Cotton School, Simla, in 1941.


As the Heir Apparent, Gyalsay Palden Thondup Namgyal undertook the Indian Civil Service Training Course at Dehra Dun in 1942 and thereafter returned to Sikkim to look after the administration so that the needs of the people could be taken care of.

Chogyal Palden Thondup Namgyal was keenly alive to the needs of the people and as Heir Apparent had exercised direct personal supervision over various departments of the government of Sikkim. He was his father’s adviser on external affairs and led the Sikkim team, which negotiated the Treaty with India in 1949-1950. By contract Sikkim became India’s “protectorate” on 5th December 1950, not unlike Nepal and Bhutan that were forced to sign similar treaties after the British had left the subcontinent. So far the other two Kingdoms could maintain their independence. If Nepal will be able to keep the two greedy neighbors outside the borders should the country be declared a republic, is in doubts.

A scholor Shital Pradhan writes- 'I believe this piece of article is more of a documentary as the title suggests “The Story of Sikkim“. A part of many stories in opinions- 24x7blog. The article gives a simple narration about Sikkim in brief. What I liked the most was the annexation part and as in my part what I see I share. So this interesting piece of extract is provided here which did touch my heart especially the “letter” sent by our Chogyal (King) to Indira Gandhi when Sikkim Royal Palace was attacked by the Indian Army.

Indra Gandi & Lendub Dorjee


“Finally, in 1975, the Kazi (Prime Minister Lendup Dorjee Khangsarpa) of Sikkim went against the Chogyal and appealed to the Indian Parliament to change Sikkim’s status to a full state of India. His appeal was approved. In April 1975, a 5,000-strong contingent of the Indian Army invaded Sikkim and surrounded the Chogyal’s palace. His 300 bodyguards, who were themselves trained by the Indian Army, were caught and driven away, while one of them was shot. The Chogyal was arrested. In his last letter to Indira Gandhi, he wrote:


“I have no words when the Indian army was sent today in a surprise attack on Sikkim Guards who are less than 300 strong and were trained, equipped and officered by the Indian army who looked upon each other as comrades. This is a most treacherous and black day in the history of democratic India in solving the survival of our little country by use of arms.”

The Chogyal died under Indian surveillance, supposedly of a weak heart. The Sikkim National Flag was lowered and subsequently banned, being replaced by the Indian Tricolour. A referendum was held under which 59% of the electorate came out to vote. Of them, 97.5% approved a merger with India. However, historians strongly dispute the statistics provided by the Indian Government as well as the fairness of the referendum, which was conducted by the Indian Army. Nonetheless, Sikkim was merged with the Indian Union as its 22nd State.

Interestingly, the treaty which enabled the merger had a special clause inserted into it by India: the merger of Sikkim and India could never be disputed in any court of the land, including the Supreme Court. Of all the instruments of accession signed between various Princely States and the Indian Union, only this one contains this special clause. Details of what actions Indian Intelligence agencies took before the annexation, including the accession of Bhutan to the United Nations, remain sketchy, mostly because the Government classifies it as a state secret.”

Similarly, since 2006, RAW, CIA and EU have been involving breaking Nepal for Christianity and including China in the name of Free Tibet. But, it may be their Herculean attempt because Nepalese people and China never surrender with the foreigners conspirator roles. The traitors nurtured by foreigners are bent on raping this pious land. To defile this land they are welcoming the foreign agents. In South Asia India has taken a highly attacking policy. It raised Lendup Dorje in Sikkim to capture it. It has maintained its influence in Bangladesh by raising Mujibar Rahman. It has been harassing Nepal through numerous conspiracies. Sikkim has been annexed through Lendup Dorje. Pakistan was broken to create Bangladesh.

Let us delve into older statements. After August 28, 2011 the Maoist leader Baburam Bhattarai, who is pro-Indian, became the Prime Minister. This was a design to capture Nepal. It was a design not to talk about the 1950 treaty with India and not to talk of the encroached borders. Baburam became PM in order to accept the demand of ‘One Madhes One State’ and induction of ten thousand Madhesi youths into the national army. Although Nepali Congress and UML are in the opposition, it does not hold any meaning for they are not given any consideration by foreigners. The leaders at the leadership level of those parties were met and placated.

Sikkim's nationalist leader former C. M. Narbahadur Bhandari is being challenged by Lendup incarnate Pawan Chamling who has the full backing of the Indian government. The government plans an immigration of southern Indians so as to push Nepali speakers into minority. When Bhandari was the Chief Minister there had been no discord among various castes. All lived in harmony with Nepali speakers! The Indian government was compelled to give recognition to Nepali language owing to the pressure of the struggle launched by Dilkumari Bhandari. Now Nepali speakers are respected throughout India. However, Pawan Chamling has fomented a communal discord which has subsequently weakened Sikkim by the hint of RAW.

In Darjeeling the dignified Nepali speakers demanded the autonomous state of Gorkhaland to save the Nepali identity. In similar way Nepali speaking Gorkhali people are demonstrating their power in Sikkim. To hinder this demonstration the Nepali speakers are harassed. The south Indians are persuaded to buy land in Sikkim. The Indian intelligence agency through Chamling is actively pursuing a goal to annex Nepali territory east of Koshi into Darjeeling. The narrowness of the deprived Indian design is manifested in suppression of aggrieved Nepali speakers.

It is a scheme to suppress Nepali speakers, Bhramin and Chetri in particular, by using Chamling. ‘Raw’ has become his right hand. He has money in abundance. He has already sold all rivers and other natural resources of Sikkim to the central government. He continues to sell more. The incumbent Chief Minister Pawan Chambling has abrogated the provision disallowing the selling of land which is the property of indigenous castes as Lepcha, Sherpa among others to non-indigenous people. Now the properties are being bought by feudal class from south India. Now under the leadership of Pawan Chamling Sikkim is turning into a nation of devils.

The Bhutanese Nepali speakers were subjected to rape, murder, suppression, theft and insolently deported. Now the Nepali speakers in Sikkim who have raised voice against Indian intervention are being victimized. According to a revelation Pawan Chamling is inducing Nepal’s Limbuwan and Khumbuhang group to draw financial support. According to nationalists of Sikkim, Chamling is conspiring to annex Nepal’s border area east of Arun-river into Sikkim. He is acting like a wolf to disintegrate Nepal. Yesterday we had believed that Pawan Chamling was a true Nepali literary figure in India and symbol of Nepali blood. Today he sucks the blood of Nepali people in the guise of a Nepali speaker. Whoever embodies such demonic nature, even if it is a Nepali speaker, is a blot to the prestige of Nepali people.

Sixty five years ago during democracy’s incipient years such ignominious acts had never taken place. Since 2006, some of these brokers who have been fed foreign currency are none other than late Nepali Congress leader Girija Prasad Koirala, his broker and the then Home Minister Krishna Sitaula, UML leader Madhav Nepal, Maoist leaders Prachanda and Baburam Bhattarai. The nonsense so-called rebellion of Prachanda and Baburam was actuated by a mission to transform Nepal into a Christian state and dissolve its identity and existence. They are sucking martyrs’ blood, and have befriended ‘RAW’ and ‘CIA’ to rape this country. Nepal is a sovereign and unified nation from time immemorial. The national and foreign enemies are scheming to disintegrate this peaceful and unified land into smithereens in name of federalism. These devils have unnecessarily raised the ethnic issue to plunge this nation’s sovereignty attested by its centralized governance.

Today Nepal faces more critical and detrimental situation than what it had experienced sixty years ago. The leaders that have come to govern the nation after 2006 have not moved an inch towards carrying out any acts in the interest of the nation. They have befriended notorious ‘RAW’ and ‘CIA’ and invited foreign agents to suck the blood of martyrs.

In Bhutan, India had conspired three decades ago and started chasing Nepali speakers. The Bhutanese monarch in fear of India did not utter a word when his Nepali speaking people were chased with indignity. In reality, Bhutan is India’s playground. The conspiracy of ‘One Madhes One State’ will see Madhesi parties in agreement with the Indian broker Maoists to capture Nepal. However, India will not be secure from this conspiracy. All the patriots from Terai, hill and mountainous region are indignant. India's RAW wants to disintegrate Nepal and it wants to maintain its influence in South Asian nations. Nepal cannot always tolerate India’s high handedness. So, it is my request that Nepal should relinquish the membership of SAARC. Nepal must extend its hand of friendship to China, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia among other nations that is capable of fighting the imperialistic and expansionistic designs. So, Sikkim's people must dedicate their life to relief from the Indian depression.

Nepal is a holy-land. Nepal always supports the sovereignty of all depressed countries in all over the world. In such context, China always is being in favor of small countries' sovereign existence. So, we Bhutanese, Sikkim's people should be aware to save the sovereign existence. It is point-able massage that the pain of not having the nation is told by Sikkim’s former vice chief minister P.T Loksam- 'Nepal is a sovereign country. If this nation survives, then will survive the identity of millions of Nepalese living in India! Today we have democracy but we do not have independence; our country Sikkim. We are like a raped woman, whom has lost her dignity. May Nepal continue to live! May the King’s shelter be always provided for Nepal and Nepalese people?'
Himwatkhanda-Nepal which is habituated by indigenous, aboriginal and immigrants- Bhramin, Chetri and some Newars are aboriginals of this land. The Magar, Gurung, Tamang, Rai, Limbu, Sherpa, Rajbanshi, Tharu, Dhimal are indigenous tribes. Muslim, Madwadi, Bengali and Madhesi that are involved in trade are immigrants. Despite the difference in culture the Muslims after the unification of Nepal have not done anything that could endanger the integrity of the nation. Among the immigrants the Madhesi group that stealthily entered Nepal from India is inducing the other tribes-Jha, Yadav, Thakur,Tharu, Rajbanshi, Kurmi and others in Terai plain and indoctrinating the slogan of ‘One Madhes One State’. So this group is a danger to Nepal’s security policy.

Bhramin and Chetri are the sons of Rishis (Hindu saint) of this holy land. The Himwatkhanda Nepal is the birthplace and thinking and devoting place of the great seven saints as Kasyapa, Bhardwaj, Bishwamitra (Kausik), Basista, Atri, Gautam and Jamdagni. This land is blessed with the birth of ‘Nemuni’-creator of Nepal, Parashuram, Upamanya, Mautgalya, Shandilya, Marichi, Angira, Pulaha, Bhrigu, Mandawa, Gargi, Yagyabalakya, Maitreyi, Byas including other Rishis. Vedic scriptures and other holy scriptures came from this land.

Balmiki Rishi had written Ramayana (Hindu religious epic) at Balmiki Ashram at Chitwan in Nepal. This is the first half portion in Sanskrit language in this land. This was later translated into Nepali language by poet Bhanubhakta Acharya. This is the land where Lord Gautam Buddha took birth. Twenty three hundred years ago King Ashoka had married off his daughter Charumati to Nepal’s Devpal of Chetri caste.

So, Rishis have played glorious role in the civilization and development of this land. In our society the cultural manifestation in Sindur, Achyata, diyo, dubo, supari, kalas, dhup, saldhup, dimba among others are not restricted to any one group. Such culturally important subjects are used not only by the Hindus but in Buddhist monasteries as well. The Nepali language and Birkram Sambat era has created a cultural unity among all castes and creeds. But, the Christian- PM Baburam Bhattarai's Herculean attempt to abolish Bikram Sambat from Nepal will not be materialized.

To desintrigate Nepal, Nepal has been turning into a battleground of theft, inflation, kidnapping, insecurity and black marketing. They are determined to plunge this nation into chaos. Such leaders ought to be subjected to life imprisonment and seizure of their property. It must be notified to all Nepali people that these leaders have become Prime Ministers, ministers and lawmakers illegitimately. They are draining the state coffer. They do not have any other concern than their stipulated time in the office legalized by their victory in election. Once they are elected they fall into an illusion that they can remain in the power forever. Why do such devils need election when they can do it by force? Why would devils be concerned of shame and dignity?

In such situation, India is scheming to turn Nepal into a failed state. America and western nations want to turn Nepal into a Christian state and disintegrate China through Free-Tibet movement. Some Bramin traitors' especially-Prachanda and Baburam Bhattarai of Maoist party has become the ladder to this goal. In the context of Nepal the Constituent Assembly (CA) was a fruit of foreign conspiracy to destroy Nepal. But the CA had dissolved without formatting the new constitution. After the expiry of CA, using the Nepalese party culprit leaders and the CJ Khilraj Regmi, India is playing a conspirator game imposing the second CA election to break Nepal. So, we hate the nefarious conspirator of India. So, Nepalese people also must dedicate our life to relief from the Indian depression.

We patriotic Nepali people must be focused on a solution according to the 1990 constitution. We must take initiative to revive the royal institution which is the backbone of Nepal’s nationality and in alliance with nationalist people take stern action against traitors. To achieve this goal we must revert back to the 1990 constitution and form an all party cabinet. We can then resolve outstanding issues and concerns through this cabinet and seek a path of consensus. Nepalese people always are active to save our identity values and ethos to keep our time tested traditional scenarios. May we all Nepali be able to find this path! May Pious-Nepal’s sovereign independence be saved!

Sikkim- A History of Indian Conspirator Role-1975 by D.R. Prasai
 
If you call the integration of Sikkim which in fact is duly recognized by the Chinese government as well as a sovereign part of India then we will have to refer to Tibet as an illegally occupied land of China - completely ignores justice? Be honest, it doesn't.

First you said the NE people have no say in their own administration now when you lost that debate you are randomly jumping from one issue to another for the sake of your propaganda! Go get a break! so much of India obsession is not good for health!

They have "no" say as in they're in a democracy (a corrupt one) and have largely been rendered minorities in even their own state. Modi doesn't care where the migrants come from as long as they're Hindu as far as I can tell, is there any policy of fairly and humanely resettling settled migrants elsewhere in India, like Bengal? And "racism happens everywhere" is not an excuse, especially not when you forcibly occupy the native land and export racism to their home. It's particularly bad in India where Northeasterners are singled out for their race and victimized on a regular basis. It's disgusting to have a situation where they face racial murder in "Mainland India" and then state oppression and neglect back at home.

Tibet was never "illegally occupied" - it was recognized as a part of China by almost every nation in the world. You can make a moral argument, sure, but that opens up a whole host of problems for India including its invasion of Goa and Hyderabad. China's control over Tibet made sense since China constantly had to fend off South Asian and Mongol encroachment on their behalf. They were just flexible enough to give them autonomy back in the day, and once Britain and Russia came along it was impossible NOT to declare sovereignty, as both showed interest in simply annexing the entire region which would have been a disaster for the Tibetan people.

India on the other hand simply clings to its Himalayan colonies because of imperialistic chauvinism.
 
Indians from other states are not allowed to buy lands there. You can find some Bangali/Marwari shopkeepers/Businessmen in Gangtok though but they are hardly 5-10% of total Gangtok population and settled before 1975.

Not really. I know people from north and even Tamil Nadu who have lived and have bought land here. But these guys are as good as us. They speak local dialects well including Nepali. There is a marwari family near my house and they speak my language better than me!

You can buy a house for residential purposes but the rampant property buying style that you have in cities like Gurgaon for the sake of investment, is not allowed because local affordability is not as much as Delhi or Mumbai.
 
Fair enough - they settled during British Rule, which is still illegitimate. Of course they will vote against the interest of the minority.

Aren't you from a country that is demanding to occupy an entire nation (Mongolia), claims three states from our country including mine (Sikkim, Arunachal and parts of Himachal and Uttarakhand), parts of Bhutan and parts of northern areas of Burma?

Quite a big mouth for a country that finishes even before its borders start.

Do you even know what percentage of people live here are from other states? Not even 5%. And we are minority? :lol:

India is one country where everyone is free to move and live wherever they want. It is because of the arab-wannabes and their secular ***-cleaning politicians that there is an issue in J&K, and certain terrorist problems in Nagaland and Manipur's lower regions.

Other than that, all Indians have the right to move to any part of the country they like.
 
Aren't you from a country that is demanding to occupy an entire nation (Mongolia), claims three states from our country including mine (Sikkim, Arunachal and parts of Himachal and Uttarakhand), parts of Bhutan and parts of northern areas of Burma?

Mongolia's split was illegitimate. But the Chinese state vouches for the interests of its constituent peoples and as long as Mongolia is independent and not a foreign puppet state there is no problem. China claims South Tibet, part of Bhutan (on behalf of Tibet). It doesn't claim Sikkim but no one should acknowledge the Indian annexation. Right now China is in negotiations with Bhutan over the border, something your precious India has tried to block for decades.

Do you even know what percentage of people live here are from other states? Not even 5%. And we are minority?

You mean people who are of the native, "Mongoloid" race? I highly, highly doubt that. And figures given by the Indian census disagree with your statements.

India is one country where everyone is free to move and live wherever they want.

:lol: India claims to be a lot of things. It's a corrupt and impoverished, racist expansionist state "democracy" or not, your "freedoms" written on piece of scrap paper or not. If you want to be a race traitor and see your country erased, then that's your choice - if others go along with. Assuming you're even Tibetan as your name implies.
 
Mongolia's split was illegitimate. But the Chinese state vouches for the interests of its constituent peoples and as long as Mongolia is independent and not a foreign puppet state there is no problem.
This is what you claim. Mongolian nationals have the choice of deciding what is best for them. Simply put they are bordering between you and Russia and they naturally are not hostile to them. However, this doesn't make you their deciding boss. That's where you are now forming dual rules; one according to your convenience whether others like it or not.

China claims South Tibet, part of Bhutan (on behalf of Tibet). It doesn't claim Sikkim but no one should acknowledge the Indian annexation. Right now China is in negotiations with Bhutan over the border, something your precious India has tried to block for decades.

Yeah. Good luck with your gunpoint negotiations. You mean more like how you put a gunpoint on Dalai Lama and made him negotiate the 17 peace points. Sorry mate. You got no right to claim other territories that are not yours. Respect territorial integrity and you will get double respect in return. What Bhutan does will be based on what they see the best. We can only advise them and if they want to go ahead with something, it is their choice.

You are simply on the negotiating table because you have antagonized every damn neighbour you got. Smaller countries settle for your offer because of financial incentives. Others don't.

You mean people who are of the native, "Mongoloid" race? I highly, highly doubt that. And figures given by the Indian census disagree with your statements.

No I mean other states; i.e. Indians from states like Himachal, UP, TN, Andhra, Rajasthan etc. If you are talking about a race, mind you Indian states are not so-called race based. Might want to read a bit more than what is taught to you.

:lol: India claims to be a lot of things. It's a corrupt and impoverished, racist expansionist state "democracy" or not, your "freedoms" written on piece of scrap paper or not. If you want to be a race traitor and see your country erased, then that's your choice - if others go along with. Assuming you're even Tibetan as your name implies.

Traitor? LOL! On the contrary, I am a patriot. See country erased? Did your uncle Mao teach you this or is it the stupid UPA that makes you talk like this?

Again stop burning in envy. I am a Sikkimese and proud to be one. My ancient ancestors may share their blood with the erstwhile Tibetan kingdom but me, my family and my people are proud Indians.

Stay back and we can cooperate in a friendly way. Try anything funny and your moves will not be welcome.

It is a simple choice.
 
India building a wall which opens to let illegal indians flooding into Bangladesh.

BD 5th remittance source of India

DESPITE India's so-called regional superpower status and Bangladesh's tiny economic outlook, one may believe it or not but Bangladesh is now the fifth largest remittance earning source for India. A Bangalore based magazine has disclosed that expatriate Indians working in Bangladesh have successfully drained away US$ 3,716 million alone last year as half a million Indians are now working in Bangladesh; mostly in the readymade garment industry and in NGOs'. While most Indian media and politicians are continuously making the point that India is inundated by illegal migrants from Bangladesh, the report in Silicon India showed that the reverse is actually true . It tells us that it is not only the richer countries but Bangladesh also which is providing employment to the bulk of Indians and they are sending a overwhelming flow of remittance to their homes. The report mentioned about scores of illegal immigrants from the Indian states of West Bengal, Meghalaya, Assam, Tripura and Mizoram who have entered Bangladesh and joined the job market. The Indian central government's documents also confirmed the fact as per the news report. As we see, the World Bank figure showed that India earned the highest value of remittances in the world. It earns US$ 71 billion annually followed by China which earns $60 billion. It is indeed surprising that Bangladesh rests in the list of India's top remittance sources along with the world's top developed nations.

According to descending order of earning, Bangladesh stands fifth among India's top remittance providers only next to UAE, USA, KSA and UK. Last year Bangladesh provided 5 percent of the total remittance earnings of India which had a eight times larger population and a 23 times larger landmass. Estimations suggest that the rising flow of remittance will only exponentially increase in the near future.

We know in an age of free trade and mobility of capital it is very natural that the two countries with a long shared border and economic potentials will reciprocally share their resources to develop the region. But, it does not take an economist to know that India only believes in one-way traffic and it wants to be at the receiving end. Apart from regular killings, rapes, intimidation and torture of unarmed people on the high rise barbed border, Bangladeshis' are clearly not getting similar treatment from India when it comes about job opportunities or duty free export access into the Indian market.

India's exports to Bangladesh are now around $10 billion including remittances while our exports to India now stands at around $600 million. This is definitely not the win-win situation and can only be compared with a colonial trading system.

The breaking of the news by the Indian magazine has come as an eye opener to the nation and we suggest that the government take a review of the situation to apprise the nation of the reality in the ground. We don't know about the employers and the internal police verification system. We don't know how Bangladesh Bank is monitoring transfer of money by Indian expatriates. Some politicians may compromise, but the nation must take hold of its affairs.

BD 5th remittance source of India - The New Nation

Throw them out - as simple as that - don't try to present anyone's incompetency as somewhat some else's favor! - our authorities are doing the same! tell your authorities to do the same - India spends more than just US$ 3,716 million on homeland security every year - security comes first that's it - we will do whatever is necessary under the new government - take care about yourself - if what you just mentioned is correct then we are much better off than you in this concern - someone is in deep shit! seriously! :coffee:

They have "no" say as in they're in a democracy (a corrupt one) and have largely been rendered minorities in even their own state. Modi doesn't care where the migrants come from as long as they're Hindu as far as I can tell, is there any policy of fairly and humanely resettling settled migrants elsewhere in India, like Bengal? And "racism happens everywhere" is not an excuse, especially not when you forcibly occupy the native land and export racism to their home. It's particularly bad in India where Northeasterners are singled out for their race and victimized on a regular basis. It's disgusting to have a situation where they face racial murder in "Mainland India" and then state oppression and neglect back at home.

Tibet was never "illegally occupied" - it was recognized as a part of China by almost every nation in the world. You can make a moral argument, sure, but that opens up a whole host of problems for India including its invasion of Goa and Hyderabad. China's control over Tibet made sense since China constantly had to fend off South Asian and Mongol encroachment on their behalf. They were just flexible enough to give them autonomy back in the day, and once Britain and Russia came along it was impossible NOT to declare sovereignty, as both showed interest in simply annexing the entire region which would have been a disaster for the Tibetan people.

India on the other hand simply clings to its Himalayan colonies because of imperialistic chauvinism.

Now a commie comes up to explain what is meant by "democracy" - who the hell are you to conclude that they have no say in their governance? Is there a marshal rule imposed on them? - The fact that the voter turnout is above 80% in the North East is enough to explain who has his "say"!

Hindustan Times e-Paper
Small state, big numbers: Tripura records highest ever voter turnout in Indian history : Northeast, News - India Today
Sikkim registers record 83 per cent voting : North East, News - India Today

So racism doesn't exist in China? really? Racism slurs are well-spread across China Against Europeans, Against Koreans, Against Americans, Against Japanese, Against Indians, Against Africans.....

Ethnic issues in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My Experience Being Black in China - Tea Leaf Nation
http://www.thechinaexpat.com/racism-in-china/

If "Tibet was never "illegally occupied" then so is Sikkim on which you are constantly ranting despite the fact that China officially recognizes Sikkim as a sovereign part of India!

Sikkim is part of India, concedes Chinese envoy - The Times of India
 
This is what you claim. Mongolian nationals have the choice of deciding what is best for them.

Nope. Their independence is illegitimate. Regardless, that's fine with me since they're independence.

Yeah. Good luck with your gunpoint negotiations. You mean more like how you put a gunpoint on Dalai Lama and made him negotiate the 17 peace points. Sorry mate. You got no right to claim other territories that are not yours.

Hilarious coming from someone who supports the McMahon line, even though the British themselves saw it as illegal.

Respect territorial integrity and you will get double respect in return. What Bhutan does will be based on what they see the best. We can only advise them and if they want to go ahead with something, it is their choice

No, you have bullied and arm-twisted them from establishing any relations with China. Now they are eagerly negotiating, and there's nothing you can do about it.

You are simply on the negotiating table because you have antagonized every damn neighbour you got. Smaller countries settle for your offer because of financial incentives. Others don't.

What a joke - they "settle" to steal Chinese territory and you think that's ripoff? You have absolutely no right to even Ladakh or South Tibet, and China is willing to negotiate in good faith but your government has refused for decades after invading north of the illegal McMahon line. No wonder all your neighbors hate you.

No I mean other states; i.e. Indians from states like Himachal, UP, TN, Andhra, Rajasthan etc. If you are talking about a race, mind you Indian states are not so-called race based. Might want to read a bit more than what is taught to you.

Oh right, if your states aren't race based then stop your precious India from murdering your brethren ... or do you simply turn a blind eye to it?

Traitor? LOL! On the contrary, I am a patriot. See country erased? Did your uncle Mao teach you this or is it the stupid UPA that makes you talk like this?

LOL, a patriot to racial others who want nothing but to slowly annihilate your people.

Again stop burning in envy.

Taiwan has nothing to envy.

Stay back and we can cooperate in a friendly way. Try anything funny and your moves will not be welcome.

Tough talk. Stop a single rape of a Northeast girl and maybe you'll be taken seriously.[/quote]

Now a commie comes up to explain what is meant by "democracy" - who the hell are you to conclude that they have no say in their governance? Is there a marshal rule imposed on them? - The fact that the voter turnout is above 80% in the North East is enough to explain who has his "say"!

Are you too stupid to realize that having your state racially polluted and flooded with foreigners who vote against your interests means you're screwed in a democracy? Voter turnout has nothing to do with it. Why are non-natives even allowed to vote in local elections?

So racism doesn't exist in China? really? Racism slurs are well-spread across China Against Europeans, Against Koreans, Against Americans, Against Japanese, Against Indians, Against Africans.....

No, they're not. And China doesn't murder people based on their race as happens dozens of times in just one city alone in India. And believe me, if Chinese people are racist to Europeans, Koreans, Japs, Indians or blacks it's because it's a counterattack. We didn't start those fights.

If "Tibet was never "illegally occupied" then so is Sikkim on which you are constantly ranting despite the fact that China officially recognizes Sikkim as a sovereign part of India!
/quote]

Get a clue on what international law is. Sikkim's referendum was more like a coup than anything else.
 
Nope. Their independence is illegitimate. Regardless, that's fine with me since they're independence.

So anything that is China-centric is legitimate while anyone else' is illegitimate?

We can agree to disagree here.

Hilarious coming from someone who supports the McMahon line, even though the British themselves saw it as illegal.

We agreed border talks with a country that you occupied and took over. A deal once done is a deal done always. Funny how you highlight British all the time when the denizens of the states you claim all identify themselves as Indians. Just because that country doesn't exist any more doesn't mean that every other time we will come to the negotiating table with you.

A deal done is a a deal done.

No, you have bullied and arm-twisted them from establishing any relations with China. Now they are eagerly negotiating, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Whatever suits them. If they want more of their land occupied, they are free to negotiate with you.

It is not as easy as you think. Here's a little read for you if you have an open mind:

Sino-Bhutan Boundary Negotiations: Complexities of the ‘Package Deal’ | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

What a joke - they "settle" to steal Chinese territory and you think that's ripoff? You have absolutely no right to even Ladakh or South Tibet, and China is willing to negotiate in good faith but your government has refused for decades after invading north of the illegal McMahon line. No wonder all your neighbors hate you.

What good faith are you talking about? You technically don't even border us unless you count an entirely occupied country with force. Ladakh has always been our territory and so has Arunachal been and its culture and artifacts are the biggest living evidence of our claim to the state apart from the testimony of the locals living there.

And neighbours have disagreements including UK and Spain even to this date and UK and Iceland on oceanic borders. That doesn't mean everyone fights a war like a crazed expansionist and ruin their chances of good bilateral benefits.

What neighbours are you talking about in our context? Pakistan and Bangladesh were historically our parts but because of some sense in our leaders of yesterday, we let them away with their Arab-obsession. Had it been along the lines of what you did in your country, we would have retained the land and driven the separatists out to the middle east where they would be comfortable with their brethren.

Oh right, if your states aren't race based then stop your precious India from murdering your brethren ... or do you simply turn a blind eye to it?

If you are referring to the attacks on certain northeast Indian students in Delhi, let me tell you something; Delhi is unsafe for even those who are settled there. There are more crimes against locals there as much as there are with outsiders.

And the pathetic media of this country paints every stupid attack as a racist-painted news. Many of those attacks happen just like any other brawls of fights between people. Those living aloof in small towns of NE have been fooled by such masala news by sellout media but not those of us who have lived in Delhi and are of northeast.


Speaking of which, you are talking as if everyone walks in line and is irregional in your country. There is so much northern southern divide even in your country. You really think college students with their high hormones don't get violent in yours? Either the People's Daily is doing an excellent job blocking the common public or you are simply in denial of your own problems; problems that all countries with diverse people including the United States have.

LOL, a patriot to racial others who want nothing but to slowly annihilate your people.

Tell that to the Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, Vietnamese, Khmers, Indonesians, Laotians, Thai and Myanma. :coffee:.

Taiwan has nothing to envy.

Except the fact that you are thrown on a tiny island to live by yourself by your own so-called countrymen (Chinese).

Tough talk. Stop a single rape of a Northeast girl and maybe you'll be taken seriously.

At least stop massacring your own Chinese at will by the hands of CCP and then you will be worthy of being called a nationalist concerned for Chinese people.

Are you too stupid to realize that having your state racially polluted and flooded with foreigners who vote against your interests means you're screwed in a democracy? Voter turnout has nothing to do with it. Why are non-natives even allowed to vote in local elections?

You don't get it, do you? People in India can vote from their domicile places. Which means my Voter ID is registered from Delhi and I can vote for Delhi state elections. My sister who is settled in the state of Gujarat, has her family settled there and her Voter ID registered in Gujarat, has the full right to vote for Gujarat, despite being Sikkimese origin. Does that mean we are 'racially polluting' Delhiites or Gujaratis? If my best friend from school who is from Himachal and settled in Punjab has a voter ID registered there, he can vote in Punjab.

This is why I said, if you don't know something, don't speak from the wrong end of your body.

No, they're not. And China doesn't murder people based on their race as happens dozens of times in just one city alone in India. And believe me, if Chinese people are racist to Europeans, Koreans, Japs, Indians or blacks it's because it's a counterattack. We didn't start those fights.

Boohoo. What a cry-baby mentality. Other than Japanese and Europeans, no one was racist to you.

Self victimization complex? :azn:
 
So anything that is China-centric is legitimate while anyone else' is illegitimate?

We can agree that you're historically illiterate. The facts of the matter differ.

We agreed border talks with a country that you occupied and took over.

Tibet wasn't recognized as a country between 1912 and 1949 - get over it.

when the denizens of the states you claim all identify themselves as Indians.

Speak for yourself.

A deal done is a a deal done.

Then why do so many "Northeasterners" rebel?

Ladakh has always been our territory and so has Arunachal been and its culture and artifacts are the biggest living evidence of our claim to the state apart from the testimony of the locals living there.

LOL. So I guess Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Eastern Siberia should be formed into one country based on cultural ties? Ladakh always part of India? What a joke, Ladakh called for help from Tibet and China when they were invaded. The Chinese/Tibetan joint force kicked the filthy imperialists out of Tibet, but unfortunately could not rescue the Ladakhis. Now they've been flooded with foreign turds.

What neighbours are you talking about in our context? Pakistan and Bangladesh were historically our parts but because of some sense in our leaders of yesterday, we let them away with their Arab-obsession.

LOL. The choice of their religion is "Arab-obsession"? I highly doubt now that you're of Tibetan race.

Had it been along the lines of what you did in your country, we would have retained the land and driven the separatists out to the middle east where they would be comfortable with their brethren.

ROFL. You clearly have your head in your ***, no such thing happened in China in the last 100 years.

Delhi is unsafe for even those who are settled there. There are more crimes against locals there as much as there are with outsiders

lol, and this is a good thing? Why is Delhi a crime-ridden shithole?

Speaking of which, you are talking as if everyone walks in line and is irregional in your country. There is so much northern southern divide even in your country.

Uh, no. There are cultural distinctions but they're generally appreciated. It's not like how North Indians treat South Indians.

You really think college students with their high hormones don't get violent in yours? Either the People's Daily is doing an excellent job blocking the common public or you are simply in denial of your own problems; problems that all countries with diverse people including the United States have.

Too bad - China is an exception. Intelligence and self control largely overcomes "hormones" and what you seem to describe as an inherent need for racial attacks. Not only in China but in Hong Kong and Taiwan, Northerners and Southerners don't kill each other.

Except the fact that you are thrown on a tiny island to live by yourself by your own so-called countrymen (Chinese).

Most left on their own accord. The PRC would love nothing less to have those people back, peacefully.

At least stop massacring your own Chinese at will by the hands of CCP and then you will be worthy of being called a nationalist concerned for Chinese people.

ROFL. Vapid, retarded nonsense. Try feeding your own people first and cleaning up that cesspool we call Delhi before you talk about being a "patriot".

You don't get it, do you? People in India can vote from their domicile places.

That wasn't the point, my poser friend. You're outnumbered 1,000 to 1. You admitted that North Indians are violent shit-stirring racists that also hate South Indians. You think they're going to vote in your interests?

Boohoo. What a cry-baby mentality. Other than Japanese and Europeans, no one was racist to you.

Self victimization complex? :azn:

You're the one crying about Chinese racism. We only dish it out to those who are asking for it. We are kind to Africans, but if they assault and rob Chinese citizens they get their faces slammed into pavement. Enjoy fucking your own race over in the shithole we call India. Let me know when you have more than half the total wealth of Taiwan:

National wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A de-facto independent Northeast, Ladakh and Sikkim would be first world countries by now if it weren't for shithole Delhiites dragging you down.
 
Nor did you dirtbags ever have control of South Tibet before you invaded in 1950 :omghaha::omghaha:

It's not about "Chinese see" it's about the Qing officially and legally abdicating for the Republic. No one ever recognized an independent Tibet. A large number of Tibetans threw their lot in with the Republic, fought on the side of China during WW2, and the Lhasa administration was in negotiations with the KMT.

Good fascinating crappy history, it wasn't until 1950 that Tibet came under full control of central government of China after remaining independent for almost 50 year. I again ask, what a similarity does a Han Chinese from Guangdong has with the people of Himalayas who had always been culturally more similar to Indians until the Mongol and Manchus occupied them and made them the part of China.
 
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