Secularism is the way forward

[Awesome]

North Korea is secular. What is humane about their laws? What is humane about letting the people starve while making nuclear warheads?

It is also a dictatorship and pseudo religiosity exists when they elevate the Kims to god like levels.

Don't compare nations, compare the concept of secularism, since no nation is truly secular IMO. The concept of secularism says be fair to the person and treat him as an absolute equal regardless of the person's religion.

Secularism is not anti-religion nor pro-religion just irrelevance of religion when it comes to governmental laws.

 

[humanfirst]

Not God's fault that we humans corrupted a perfect system. Corrupt rulers corrupt. That is why we must have safeguards in the same system. By the way, Moawiya wasn't that bad, it was Yazid that was horrible

Then why not do a theoretical comparison of principles so called perfect system with a principles of a secular democracy..?Shall we?

 

[truthseer]

Let's dissect this, shall we?

It is also a dictatorship and pseudo religiosity exists when they elevate the Kims to god like levels.

It still doesn't matter since it calls itself secular. Or should I put forward the example of Israel, another secular state?

Don't compare nations, compare the concept of secularism, since no nation is truly secular IMO.

Wait, what? So should we then experiment an untested system on Pakistan? Mind Boggling

The concept of secularism says be fair to the person and treat him as an absolute equal regardless of the person's religion.

Secularism is not anti-religion nor pro-religion just irrelevance of religion when it comes to governmental laws.

This is the problem. Islam gave its own laws which must be followed.

Then why not do a theoretical comparison of principles so called perfect system with a principles of a secular democracy..?Shall we?

Theoretical comparison has no example to compare with since all results are theoretical and unproved

 

[Manas]

You can't be secular and Muslim at the same time. Islam says there is no god ,but only Allah ,Muhammad is the Apostle of God.

A muslim can be tolerant of other religious practices and believe in religious freedom. But he can't respect other religions and accept them as alternate path to reach out to the Almighty since if he does he violates the basic principle of Islam.

 

[Wright]

Let's dissect this, shall we?

It still doesn't matter since it calls itself secular. Or should I put forward the example of Israel, another secular state?

Fine in that case Boko haram is Sharia, and so is the Saudi house of saud.

Two can play the game of pointing to outliers.

However the secularists have real world contemporary examples that prove the systems success. You Islamists have none.

 

[truthseer]

Fine in that case Boko haram is Sharia, and so is the Saudi house of saud.

Wrong, the Saudi System is Wahabi mixed with CULTURAL LAWS. That is why women can't drive for one. Complete nonsense, sir.

Two can play the game of pointing to outliers.

Sadly, your example was horrific while man was a real life one

However the secularists have real world contemporary examples that prove the systems success. You Islamists have none.

Like the US, the UK and the rest of Europe sunk in debt? Like Italy? No, thanks.

 

[Wright]

Like the US, the UK and the rest of Europe sunk in debt? Like Italy? No, thanks.

Like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Libya? No thanks.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

A system condoning stoning of women and severing hands of people is hardly divine or infallible.Its barbaric.

 

[truthseer]

Like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Libya? No thanks.

Neither of these areas have Shariah so your comparison and point is moot

A system condoning stoning of women and severing hands of people is hardly divine or infallible.Its barbaric.

A system allowing murder of innocent babies in the womb is hardly infallible. It's barbaric

 

[Birbal]

These evil pseudo-secularists are causing the destruction of Hindus! Anyone who calls for secularism supports corruption! Oh wait. This thread is about Pakistan and Bangladesh. Never mind. Carry on.

 

[Wright]

Neither of these areas have Shariah so your comparison and point is moot

I was trying to goad you into pointing out a muslim majority country which you think is doing well. I can only think of two, Turkey and Malaysia. Both are secular.

 

[truthseer]

These evil pseudo-secularists are causing the destruction of Hindus! Anyone who calls for secularism supports corruption! Oh wait. This thread is about Pakistan and Bangladesh. Never mind. Carry on.

That makes no sense. Hinduism does not have a law like the Shariah which is meant to be established. Neither does Christianity since for them God's Kingdom is in Heaven and they are not meant to rule here

 

[Wright]

You can't be secular and Muslim at the same time. Islam says there is no god ,but only Allah ,Muhammad is the Apostle of God.

A muslim can be tolerant of other religious practices and believe in religious freedom. But he can't respect other religions and accept them as alternate path to reach out to the Almighty since if he does he violates the basic principle of Islam.

If you are muslim, living in secular India should be against your principles.

 

[truthseer]

I was trying to goad you into pointing out a muslim majority country which you think is doing well. I can only think of two, Turkey and Malaysia. Both are secular.

Co-incidence, sir. If I point out that the US was in better shape under the Republicans who try to rule by the Bible, it would be a coincidence, not fact

 

[Manas]

If you are muslim, living in secular India should be against your principles.

Living in a secular india or secular America doesn't make a muslim secular.

Listen,a practicing Muslim can't be secular ,he can ether be a fundamentalist or a liberal Muslim.