Secularism is the way forward

[humanfirst]

Secularism is just a piece of crap a failed system Islam has its own political and Social and economic system which Muslims need to implement Secularism is just another form of kufr

You are entitled to have your openion on various political systems.But to say which one have failed and which one have succeeded,you have to look up the history and decide..
Secular democracies:Still leading the world in HDI,Human rights,standard of living,freedom given to its citizens,innovation and industry.
So called complete islamic system:Fell face down after the assassination of final caliph directly appointed by prophet,the proposed system for deciding the central factor of islamic governance-the caliph,didnt work out as envisioned by islam.Been a kingship ever since,where the completely Islamic practice of appointing son as next king prevailed.As of lately there are about 80 nations with clear muslim majority and not even a single one have established shariah as governance system.
Dont even compare,dude..

 

[truthseer]

You are entitled to have your openion on various political systems.But to say which one have failed and which one have succeeded,you have to look up the history and decide..

Agreed

Secular democracies:Still leading the world in HDI,Human rights,standard of living,freedom given to its citizens,innovation and industry.

And debt. Points to the US

So called complete islamic system:Fell face down after the assassination of final caliph directly appointed by prophet,the proposed system for deciding the central factor of islamic governance-the caliph,didnt work out as envisioned by islam.Been a kingship ever since,where the completely Islamic practice of appointing son as next king prevailed.As of lately there are about 80 nations with clear muslim majority and not even a single one have established shariah as governance system.

Considering that Shariah is not in place, comparision is dumb

Dont even compare,dude..

Correct

 

[humanfirst]

Sir they are given and not killed in the name of secularism Sir like in India and by the way that is why most Jews remained under protection of Caliphs for centuries against Islam that is why after when Muslims left Syria and other places centuries ago the Non Muslims were cried and took oath that they will never allow any other to take over and that is how Muslims were came back to syria

Sir,no one have ever been killed in the name of secularism on the other hand anti secular concepts like religious supremacy,bigotry and politicising religion have caused killing in india and continue to cause killing and masacres in pakistan and nigeria and elsewhere.btw compare the rights guaranteed to jews under caliphs to the rights guaranteed to theists in a secular state..You can see the difference.

 

[truthseer]

Sir,no one have ever been killed in the name of secularism

North Korea is secular and see the murders there

 

[Wright]

North Korea is secular and see the murders there

It is more like a religion in its own right. The leader is Divine, and his grandfather the "great leader" was born when a comet flashed across the sky. It is more of a cult.

Keep in mind the concept of religion has always been different for East Asians.

Agreed

And debt. Points to the US


Correct

Debt, points to Pakistan.

 

[truthseer]

Debt, points to Pakistan.

Largest debt in the world. Points to US

 

[humanfirst]

Considering that Shariah is not in place, comparision is dumb

Not in place now,but was established some 1400 years ago and fell face down soon after.And yeah,the comparison is dumb because the shariah failed to sustain even in a single nation,which was the the point in question(comparitive success or failure).

 

[Awesome]

Secularism brings about humane and just laws.

Why should Islam have a problem with that? No religion should have problems with humane and just laws.

 

[truthseer]

Not in place now,but was established some 1400 years ago and fell face down soon after.And yeah,the comparison is dumb because the shariah failed to sustain even in a single nation,which was the the point in question(comparitive success or failure).

When it was in place, it was a success. When it was not, you can't judge. Simple really but you don't get it

 

[Wright]

Largest debt in the world. Points to US

Now you understand Debt has nothing to do with being secular. BTW, the USA has the ability to pay back debt. You dont.

 

[truthseer]

Secularism brings about humane and just laws.

Why should Islam have a problem with that? No religion should have problems with humane and just laws.

Allah gave his JUST laws. We don't need fake man made laws, quite simple

Now you understand Debt has nothing to do with being secular. BTW, the USA has the ability to pay back debt. You dont.

Actually, the debt is nearly 100% of the GDP

And I stand corrected, it is over 100% of GDP
U.S. Debt Reaches 100 Percent of Country's GDP | Fox News

 

[Awesome]

Allah gave his JUST laws. We don't need fake man made laws, quite simple

Law is law, there is nothing genuine or fake about it

Law is "Do this and don't do that".

Now secularism makes just and humane laws. By saying Islam is not compatible you are saying your version of Islam is not just and not humane.

 

[truthseer]

Law is law, there is nothing genuine or fake about it

Agreed till here

Law is "Do this and don't do that".

Agreed. However, this does not mean all laws are equal or equally good

Now secularism makes just and humane laws. By saying Islam is not compatible you are saying your version of Islam is not just and not humane.

North Korea is secular. What is humane about their laws? What is humane about letting the people starve while making nuclear warheads?

 

[humanfirst]

When it was in place, it was a success.

Debatable..And a complete failure in sustainability.

 

[truthseer]

Debatable..And a complete failure in sustainability.

Not God's fault that we humans corrupted a perfect system. Corrupt rulers corrupt. That is why we must have safeguards in the same system. By the way, Moawiya wasn't that bad, it was Yazid that was horrible