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So J-31 is essentially a precursor to 4.5 gen jets and not a true frontline air-dominance jet like
FGFA or F-22.
Lemme me explain to you something - gone are the days when a jet has a rely on another to achieve
upper hand in battle. The IAF mentality regarding these matter is quite different from that of PAF
or PLAAF.
There is nothing that 4.5 gen jets you're talking about can do against an airspace dominated by PAKFAs,
which the J-31s will fail to overcome in the first place. and 2ndly, do you think IAF doesn't have
4.5 gen planes or what? Oh boy we're getting 300 MKIs and >200 Rafales and ~150 Tejas variants or
so performing different roles.
Each plane in IAF can fight its own war. its better not to waste money on a jet that would be helpless
without support of 4.5 gen jets, FGFAs can fight their own war, while MKIs, Rafales etc. concentrate
on the background duties. The 5th gen plane is one thats LEADS the air campiagns, not one that
sits behind 4.5 gen jets to fight its war.
As i have explained above, J-31 deployment in a battlefield involving hostile PAKFA/FGFA will be
counter-productive.
Maybe for F-35 which is less draggy than J-20, and has higher TWR.
You're being a fool to say T-50 doesn't have stealth and supermaneuverability. PAKFA is the most
maneuevrable jet fighter out there.
Id rather stick to my source rather than dillude myself with your magazine
theory.
While you think and dillude yourself that PAKFA lacks the 2 "S". You dont realise that J-31 is lacking the others,
the only "S" J-31 completes thus far is stealth. even that is not as good as the comparable F-35 becoz
of many wing-form surface discontinuties.
The horizontal stabs should be blending into the trailing edge of the main wings
and not supposed to stick out like that, like an F-16 or F/A-18. J-20's canards
have the same problem - surface discontinuity.
Chinese jets stealth is not fully up to the mark either.
Reality is that no one, no one with a CHOICE at hand wants chinese jets.
1. What if chinese engine is not ready? the AL-31FN is good, and even after WS-10 comes, its
foolish to think t'll be more reliable than AL-31FN. JAS Gripen has US engine, and still its been exported
to 6 countries thus far.
2. contraty to your beliefs, the J-10 WAS offered for sale to many countries, it even participated in
a Myanmarese tender for new jets. but was rejected in favour of MiG-29, which the Burmese considered
more capable, despite the fact that twin-engined mig-29 is costlier than single-engine j-10.
and Burma in itself is not a very rich country either.
Chinese J-10 suffers first overseas defeat to MiG-29 Fulcrum
please read the above article^^.
J-10's tech is 40-45 yrs behind that of US' best fighters, the likes of which F-35 JSF they've put on the
global market.
so stop dilluding yourself with the nonsense fed to you by chinese cover-up bridage, and instead know
the facts that chinese jets are not competitive at the global stage the way American, European or Russian
jets are.
Reality is that no one, no one with a CHOICE at hand wants chinese jets.
1. What if chinese engine is not ready? the AL-31FN is good, and even after WS-10 comes, its
foolish to think t'll be more reliable than AL-31FN. JAS Gripen has US engine, and still its been exported
to 6 countries thus far.
2. contraty to your beliefs, the J-10 WAS offered for sale to many countries, it even participated in
a Myanmarese tender for new jets. but was rejected in favour of MiG-29, which the Burmese considered
more capable, despite the fact that twin-engined mig-29 is costlier than single-engine j-10.
and Burma in itself is not a very rich country either.
Chinese J-10 suffers first overseas defeat to MiG-29 Fulcrum
please read the above article^^.
J-10's tech is 40-45 yrs behind that of US' best fighters, the likes of which F-35 JSF they've put on the
global market.
so stop dilluding yourself with the nonsense fed to you by chinese cover-up bridage, and instead know
the facts that chinese jets are not competitive at the global stage the way American, European or Russian
jets are.
The J-31 is a spearhead, meaning that in combat it opens the door (in military terms by destroying enemy air defenses) for other planes to go in and do the striking. The J-31 is a 5th generation jet, so I don't know what you mean by "precursor to 4.5 generation". The PAK FA is not going to be produced in such a number that allows it to dominate the skies continuously. If it is, then that means even more J-31 is going to be produced due to its faster manufacturing. I also can safely say that, with the current development and testing, the J-31 is going to be an all-round fighter with capabilities matching or close to the T-50. So if a PAK FA manages to miraculously break through enemy air defenses, it is going to face a lot more J-31s that have more or less the same capability.
pakistan certainly has choice but chooses chinese jets and they do just fine, as do others like egypt which was firmly aligned with american yet bought chinese jets
In terms of aerodynamics, the F-35 is nowhere near comparable to the J-20. The J-20 incorporates delta wing design, reduces drag, as well as platform alignment and canards that offer maneuverability. The PAK FA is not the most maneuverable. For one, its thrust to weight ratio won't be as high as the J-20 and its Flanker-derived airframe simply won't achieve the same agility as the J-10 based airframe of the J-20 as seen during mock combat between PLAAF Flankers and J-10s. I'm curious to what your source is. The T-50 lacks DSI, jagged saw tooth edges, platform alignment, airframe consistency, single piece canopy, that is required to build a VLO design.
The J-31, for one, uses a F-22 style airframe consistent design, as well as DSI, platform alignemtn, all of which are lacking on both the F-35 and T-50. While both the J-31 and T-50 will incorporate AESA radar and 5th generation avionics, the T-50 will be at a disadvantage during a shootout due to its massive RCS; which means that the the only "S" that the J-31 might be lacking in is its thrust to weight ratio, but with the new WS-13G engines and composites, that won't be a problem.
pakistan certainly has choice but chooses chinese jets and they do just fine, as do others like egypt which was firmly aligned with american yet bought chinese jets
j-10 never was meant to face f-35, such jobs falls on j-20/project 31
lol **checks the web site u list**
hahaha some fan boy made web site(of course u would use that as source lol) that makes all kinds of claims without backing anything up
quote "After a lot of reverse engineering and a few prototype crashes" end quote
haha not even gonna touch the LAVI clone claim, one of the things AVIC parades around is that j-10 development had no crashes but rumor persists for no reason but of course to you the fan boys word is law while the chinese only ever lie.
also half the supposed references on that site doesn't even work(or it links to an ad lol) the 2 that does only show basic info about the j-10 and mig-29(hurr durr we need reference that j-10 has 2 wings? lol) and in no way proves any of the lies fan boys like you posts
Funny thing is, the WS-10 is already ready. It's been in service with all of the J-11Bs.
If the J-10 is 40-45 years behind US's best fighters, then that implies that the J-10 would made its maiden flight on March 23, 2033. Oops, seems that your time machine didn't get the patent.
China may now have ordered more than 250 AL31FNs for the J-10, which suggests that confidence in the indigenous WS10A turbofan to power the single-engine fighter might not be as high as previously indicated.
^^ I stopped reading after it said that the J-10s tech is 40-45 years behind the best US fighters.
So a F-4 can take on a J-10!!!!!!
Please carry on entertaining us with your posts.
Reality is that no one, no one with a CHOICE at hand wants chinese jets.
1. What if chinese engine is not ready? the AL-31FN is good, and even after WS-10 comes, its
foolish to think t'll be more reliable than AL-31FN. JAS Gripen has US engine, and still its been exported
to 6 countries thus far.
2. contraty to your beliefs, the J-10 WAS offered for sale to many countries, it even participated in
a Myanmarese tender for new jets. but was rejected in favour of MiG-29, which the Burmese considered
more capable, despite the fact that twin-engined mig-29 is costlier than single-engine j-10.
and Burma in itself is not a very rich country either.
Chinese J-10 suffers first overseas defeat to MiG-29 Fulcrum
Ok, you sound like a desperate person trying to make some point that's everything but clear. None of the stuff you are saying has facts on it. The 'article' you've given here, is poorly written with personal stuff in there that even a Sophomore in college of journalism wouldn't write as it shows bias towards Pakistan and China.
Now, when you say 'FC-10 lost to Mig 29', it is contractual negotiations. Just like F-16 and F-18 lost to Rafale in India's case. Does that mean the F-16 and F-18 are 45 year old tech and the Rafale can fry them in a pan in broad day light??? F-16 and F-18 are one of the most combat proven systems out there. The answer is, India chose what IT thought was meeting its requirements. Its a package deal. The 'combat proven', the 'latest avionics' and the 'cost', etc are not separate consideration factors.
Similarly, whatever country you are referring to, did JUST that. Nowhere does it tell me that one plane was Inferior to the other in a fight or in capability. Mig 29 is a twin engine plane so it WILL lift more weapons and have more thrust to weight ratio and possibly a bigger radar....that's a given. But where does it say that FC-20 lost out because it was a cheaper, inferior plane capability wise and in a BVR and a Dog fight, it lost terribly to Mig 29. The Chinese have been running this plane against their SU-27's and Su-30's for over 5 years now. Pakistanis have flown their jets against it too and there have been constant modifications as a result...if it can handle SU-30....I would imagine it can handle a Mig 29. Please post FACTS. Not emotional and personal bias!!
If the chinese so desire, they'll stage a mock combat exercise where J-10 will shoot down 100 F-22s
with no lossess of its own. and fanboys like you believe it like anything else.
I didn't say J-10 was 40-45 yr old tech, i said that J-10A was 40-45 yrs behind the F-35's and F-22's tech, if you
have any doubts regarding what i said, go back and read it all over again. case in point everyone
knows US tech is 20 yrs ahead of the rest of the world.